Tolkien inspires Iranian protesters

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I came across this today and, immediately thinking of my old haunting ground here on the Downs, felt the need to share it here. The courage and spirit of those who would seek freedom from oppression in Iran is greatly moving and I found it rather uplifting that the writer was able to find inspiration (and, indeed, applicability) in Tolkien's creation.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...ven/print.html

I too have been following this, glad that my own "Persian" cousins are safe in Canada but hoping some hope can come from the horror. It is fascinating that something so usually perceived as so Nordic can be related to other traditions. One of the lectures at last years TS seminar was by an Indian lady who saw connections with some very ancient Hindu mythology.

And it is good to see you back even for a little while...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Now just what is that? I open the Barrow-Downs and this thread's title pops up at me. "Whoa, interesting," I think and decide I have to take a look! So I open the BD subforum and what do I see? I cannot believe my own eyes: SpM started the thread! What's going on here? I was wondering whether it is an old topic just revived by somebody - that would be a logical explanation, but then, it is impossible that SpM would have posted about this topic sometime in early 2008 or whenever it was when he was last online.

Impressive! Okay, sorry for the rant, but I am just amazed. Saucie, hope you are going to stay for a little more! But good to hear that you still are somewhere out there! Hope you are doing well.

As for the topic itself. I think it is most impressive to read. And isn't it what's the point and the truth and what people don't often take into account, that all stories, all written texts (and their movie versions) live their own life from the very moment they set out of the author's private room? There's a (relatively recent) discipline called the history of interpretation. I don't know how widely it is used, I have encountered it only face to the biblical texts. It maps not just the origin, the author and the meaning set there by the author, nor just the meaning a contemporary reader gives to it, but also uncovers the history of the text - how it worked, how it influenced people in sometimes even contradictory ways throughout the times. And I guess Tolkien's books are just on the good way to get their own history of interpretation. They are, of course, a rather "young" literature still, but already now I would dare to prophetize that they are of the kind which could earn its history of interpretation. They certainly deserve it, and as it can be seen, it would be most interesting. And worth it to explore. Maybe it awaits for some Tolkien scholar, or even for some of us Downers...

[Eönwë]

Great to have you back (at least for a while), SPM!

Also, it's nice to see how Tolkien's works can inspire people to stand strong.

[Rumil]

Saucie's back!!!

Cool!

v interesting link too, I guess most of see what we expect to see in terms of applicability as coloured by our own cultural heritage. (Gandalf a bit Jesus, a bit Merlin etc) Fascinating to see what other cultures think - ie Gandalf reminding Persians of the Mahdi and Shadowfax of Rakhsh.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Yes, Rumil, applicability is much superior to allegory; the latter could apply only to the cultural group to which it refers, while applicability lets people all over the world find aspects of the story that are close to their hearts.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hey, great to see you SPM.

Let me disagree with you for old time's sake.

That is a tenuous link. So tenuous I hardly see the point. He/she explains in the first part that Iranians are shown famous films all the time - they're bound to play LotR sooner rather than later.

Tolkien's the new Nietzsche: anyone can fit him into their story. It doesn't usually make that story interesting.

[Lalaith]

A mutter from Pedant's Corner:

Boromir, human of Aragon

Succeeded, no doubt, by Faramir Boleyn....

Anyway, interesting how all manner of dialogue can take on significance at crucial moments.

As for Eomer's Nietzsche point, very true...I got very depressed when I found that a certain neo-Nazi website had its own dedicated Tolkien sub-forum.

[Lindale]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

That is a tenuous link. So tenuous I hardly see the point. He/she explains in the first part that Iranians are shown famous films all the time - they're bound to play LotR sooner rather than later.

Tolkien's the new Nietzsche: anyone can fit him into their story. It doesn't usually make that story interesting.

I agree, Eomer, at some point, but let me raise another.

Tolkien may not be a Jose Rizal who wrote novels to spark revolutions, but if his text inspires people to be strong, as well-written and timeless literature does at one point or another, it's worthy of credit.