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Thinlómien · 06-24-2009, 05:45 PM

Nah, Macwolf, I just think you're trying to flush THEM out by that. If you were really the ranger, you would have revealed earlier. I'd say we wait for a counter-claim but then again if I was the ranger I wouldn't fall for that and counter-claim. *shrugs* Anyway I don't believe Mac, not for a second.

Isabellkya · 06-24-2009, 05:50 PM

You are both Muties.

Thinlómien · 06-24-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Isabellkya

You are both Muties.

Yes, he is.

edit: xed with Mac

Thinlómien · 06-24-2009, 05:56 PM

If you were the real ranger you'd have come out before your fate was decided and let us lynch someone else toDay. Good try Mac, but that's it.

And I was speaking of a counter-reveal... we have a lot of dead people who haven't been around for ages, a few modfired ones and even living ones who won't be around anymore. It is very probable there will be no counter-claim. So this is up to whether people believe Mac or not. I do not. I only see a wolf's last desperate attempt to cause mischief.

And it relieves me because now I don't have to eat my head because I'm pretty certain I was right about Mac.

Macalaure · 06-24-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lommy

If you were the real ranger you'd have come out before your fate was decided and let us lynch someone else toDay.

Last time before I came back and saw 5 votes against me, I had 3, with one possible retraction from Nerwen. I was very willing to take that chance compared to certain night death.

Thinlómien · 06-24-2009, 06:05 PM

Now it's what? Five votes and three possible retractions - Eönwë is asleep and there's no way you can fool me. If you manage to get all Boro, Nerwen and Izzy think you're the ranger and change their votes, you will not get lynched. So you're sadly not dead yet.

Well, tell me "ranger", who did you protect which Night?

Except for last Night, of course.

Nogrod · 06-24-2009, 06:13 PM

Heh, how I love the fact now that I don't have a vote...

The interesting thing of course is that if you do not lynch Mac for being a ranger and he still lives toMorrow you'd be quite certain... unless - and that is what I meant in my first post a few hours ago - he's a cobbler among the thousands of you other cobblers around here.

Or unless the mutineers can afford playing with us innocents like cat with mice and let him live even if he's not one of them...

The sad thing is, that lynching Mac may get us rid of a baddie (and I should look at your case more clocely tomorrow Lommy to see whether I agree - I'd agree on the pretext of how he tried to lynch me all the time in the beginning and how he has tried to discredit anything I say up to this Day after that while I'm an innocent) but we will never know whether we lynched a baddie or our ranger...

Hmph... As I said, I'm glad I don't have to decide on this.

Hah, fun to be irresponsibly indecisive when there is nothing actually at stake any more as a ghost! I hope I'll be back toMorrow if I have time and interest to dive into this... but knowing nothing can be learned and nothing can be deduced... well it would take some willpower. Let's see if I find any.

Thinlómien · 06-24-2009, 06:18 PM

I think it would incredibly stupid to let him sweet-talk himself out of trouble toMorrow "oh the wolves didn't kill me 'cos they wanna frame me" and like I said I don't want another Day fighting him. Furthermore, if we start thinking of another lynch candidate now, it will be some really random lynch again and we're gonna waste it. I'm ready to take all the blame for our loss if he's the ranger but really if someone believes him they're nuts. Just think isn't that exactly what a dying wolf would want to do.

Macalaure · 06-24-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Nah, Macwolf, I just think you're trying to flush THEM out by that. If you were really the ranger, you would have revealed earlier. I'd say we wait for a counter-claim but then again if I was the ranger I wouldn't fall for that and counter-claim. *shrugs* Anyway I don't believe Mac, not for a second.

Why doesn't this surprise me? Maybe, just maybe, I didn't reveal earlier because a revealed ranger is a dead ranger?

Inziladun · 06-24-2009, 09:08 PM

There was this.

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

Why doesn't this surprise me? Maybe, just maybe, I didn't reveal earlier because a revealed ranger is a dead ranger?

Isabellkya · 06-24-2009, 09:12 PM

Why would he use that claim Nog?
Is it not obvious in any game where a non-self protecting Ranger reveals?

Boromir88 · 06-24-2009, 09:14 PM

You know what's funny Inziladun, when I was on you about contesting Rikae's claim, that is what I told you, didn't I?

Sorry Nogrod, I'm not going to look at anything you say about this, because I still aint trusting you.

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We might have a different idea of "very bad". I didn't mean it in a lynch-gifted kind of way, it just expressed my feelings at the time.~Mac

Possibly, and I will say I'm not even looking at what Lommy will be saying about you the last hr and a half, or whatever, because it will be so one-sided it won't tell me anything.

Macalaure · 06-24-2009, 09:18 PM

Alright, I messed up there. It's late here, too. I didn't read properly. Forget what I replied to this before (though Lommy will predictably not and ramble about me talking myself into bags).

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But the second part...if we're at most 2 wrong lynches away, and you're the Ranger, what good would lynching you tomorrow do us?

As with Izzy, I was putting myself into Mith's position. For her, lynching me today or tomorrow doesn't make much of a difference, but for me, it would save my life (if only very briefly), and for the village it gives a chance to lynch a baddie.

Thinlómien · 06-24-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

As with Izzy, I was putting myself into Mith's position. For her, lynching me today or tomorrow doesn't make much of a difference, but for me, it would save my life (if only very briefly), and for the village it gives a chance to lynch a baddie.

Yes and if you really were the ranger, you'd certainly be alive toMorrow.

Macalaure · 06-24-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lommy

but that ranger claim really was the last nail to Mac's coffin.

How many last nails does my coffin have? Are you actually implying that you still had a doubt before?

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Originally Posted by Lommy

Others have proven it's inconsistent

Aha? I think you're inventing your own facts, like the one that my case against Eonwe was oh so useless.

Boromir88 · 06-24-2009, 09:44 PM

Oh and I will just say I'm not going to retract. Based on the fact that I just don't buy the reveal. He pretty much took my words that I told to Inziladun as to why Rikae's claim was real. Maybe we have a different definition of "very bad," maybe we don't. Still I don't know how you vote for someone and then determine bad feelings about the lynch, if you know you're the Ranger and are pretty sure about being the only gifted left.

Mac has used me and completely fooled me in the past when I have not had teh guts to act on my suspicion.

Lommy has yet to do that to me, and if she has fooled me. I will apologize to all fellow innocents about making a "stupid" decision. And to Lommy, you can bet you will only get this one, I would challenge you to try and fool me again.

Nogrod · 06-24-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

Sorry Nogrod, I'm not going to look at anything you say about this, because I still aint trusting you.

Nope, because you're a mutineer with Lommy?

I just can't rid myself from that idea... I'll hope the game isn't going to end to this lynch right here toDay. The fever with which Lommy denies her sleep to one hour (knowing her habits of sleeping a lot) just gives me the shivers... So there are enough mutineers left to end this game for good toDay getting an innocent lynched? That would explain a lot.

And btw. why wouldn't you wish to look at some arguments if you were a goodie? There is a chance from you perspective then that I'm an innocent and I might have good points to offer. What you say looks more wolvish, mutineerish that is.

Gah... lynch Boro, lynch Lommy, lynch everyone!

Macalaure · 06-24-2009, 09:27 PM

Very much off topic, but I can't fathom how anyone, regardless of role or game situation, could deprive him- or herself of all sleep over a game.

Boromir88 · 06-24-2009, 09:30 PM

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And btw. why wouldn't you wish to look at some arguments if you were a goodie?~Nogrod

Let's see I voted for you because I thought you were a mutineer...and I said I still aint trusting you? Good enough.

You go after Lommy about her sleep habbits, but you're doing a mighty job yourself hanging around late (err well wee hours in the morning) to offer your 2 cents. It's hard to trust your an ordo, or that you seriously don't care what happens (as you have said over and over) with your late activities.

If you are trying to sincerely help as an innocent, you know I will eat my and figuritively eat your shoe after this, but your insistance you really don't care but still hanging around does not make me trust in anyway.

Nogrod · 06-24-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

You go after Lommy about her sleep habbits, but you're doing a mighty job yourself hanging around late (err well wee hours in the morning) to offer your 2 cents. It's hard to trust your an ordo, or that you seriously don't care what happens (as you have said over and over) with your late activities.

You've played with me enough to know my habits... I do stay up late... erm... early... when I'm interested in something. And I can sleep the whole day today if I wish to, whereas Lommy is going to take a 500 km trip in a few hours... Okay, enough of that.

Yeah, I told quite sincerely I was not able to say anything as I was lagging on reading this game and I had some Arda football things to write (which kind of went outr of hand with their scope) and felt not too interested in this as I was anyway just a ghost whose words most people just dissed right away as unsure.

But as I was free to go to sleep I saw there were interesting discussions going on, and onmes I thought I could really give my two cents on. And as the time went on it started to feel even more urgent as I'm now afraid this gsame is going to end to this lynch... There is such a buzz and hassle around that it can only point to the mutineers trying to win it for good now. Not toMorrow or at some distant future, but now. And that ties me to the computer right now - even if I don't know what I could do as I'm pretty much baffled myself about what's going on...

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If you are trying to sincerely help as an innocent, you know I will eat my and figuritively eat your shoe after this

Make the marinade ready comrade... you're not going to swallow it easy it seems, but I want a pic to prove that you did it.

06-24-2009, 05:45 PM	#1
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Nah, Macwolf, I just think you're trying to flush THEM out by that. If you were really the ranger, you would have revealed earlier. I'd say we wait for a counter-claim but then again if I was the ranger I wouldn't fall for that and counter-claim. shrugs Anyway I don't believe Mac, not for a second. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

06-24-2009, 05:50 PM	#2
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	You are both Muties. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

06-24-2009, 05:56 PM	#4
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	If you were the real ranger you'd have come out before your fate was decided and let us lynch someone else toDay. Good try Mac, but that's it. And I was speaking of a counter-reveal... we have a lot of dead people who haven't been around for ages, a few modfired ones and even living ones who won't be around anymore. It is very probable there will be no counter-claim. So this is up to whether people believe Mac or not. I do not. I only see a wolf's last desperate attempt to cause mischief. And it relieves me because now I don't have to eat my head because I'm pretty certain I was right about Mac. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

06-24-2009, 06:05 PM	#6
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Now it's what? Five votes and three possible retractions - Eönwë is asleep and there's no way you can fool me. If you manage to get all Boro, Nerwen and Izzy think you're the ranger and change their votes, you will not get lynched. So you're sadly not dead yet. Well, tell me "ranger", who did you protect which Night? Except for last Night, of course. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

06-24-2009, 06:13 PM	#7
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Heh, how I love the fact now that I don't have a vote... The interesting thing of course is that if you do not lynch Mac for being a ranger and he still lives toMorrow you'd be quite certain... unless - and that is what I meant in my first post a few hours ago - he's a cobbler among the thousands of you other cobblers around here. Or unless the mutineers can afford playing with us innocents like cat with mice and let him live even if he's not one of them... The sad thing is, that lynching Mac may get us rid of a baddie (and I should look at your case more clocely tomorrow Lommy to see whether I agree - I'd agree on the pretext of how he tried to lynch me all the time in the beginning and how he has tried to discredit anything I say up to this Day after that while I'm an innocent) but we will never know whether we lynched a baddie or our ranger... Hmph... As I said, I'm glad I don't have to decide on this. Hah, fun to be irresponsibly indecisive when there is nothing actually at stake any more as a ghost! I hope I'll be back toMorrow if I have time and interest to dive into this... but knowing nothing can be learned and nothing can be deduced... well it would take some willpower. Let's see if I find any. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-24-2009, 06:18 PM	#8
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I think it would incredibly stupid to let him sweet-talk himself out of trouble toMorrow "oh the wolves didn't kill me 'cos they wanna frame me" and like I said I don't want another Day fighting him. Furthermore, if we start thinking of another lynch candidate now, it will be some really random lynch again and we're gonna waste it. I'm ready to take all the blame for our loss if he's the ranger but really if someone believes him they're nuts. Just think isn't that exactly what a dying wolf would want to do. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

06-24-2009, 09:12 PM	#11
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Why would he use that claim Nog? Is it not obvious in any game where a non-self protecting Ranger reveals? __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

06-24-2009, 09:44 PM	#16
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Oh and I will just say I'm not going to retract. Based on the fact that I just don't buy the reveal. He pretty much took my words that I told to Inziladun as to why Rikae's claim was real. Maybe we have a different definition of "very bad," maybe we don't. Still I don't know how you vote for someone and then determine bad feelings about the lynch, if you know you're the Ranger and are pretty sure about being the only gifted left. Mac has used me and completely fooled me in the past when I have not had teh guts to act on my suspicion. Lommy has yet to do that to me, and if she has fooled me. I will apologize to all fellow innocents about making a "stupid" decision. And to Lommy, you can bet you will only get this one, I would challenge you to try and fool me again. __________________ Fenris Penguin

06-24-2009, 09:27 PM	#18
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Very much off topic, but I can't fathom how anyone, regardless of role or game situation, could deprive him- or herself of all sleep over a game.