WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Isabellkya]

++ Aganzir

Because she is Rumpelstiltskinashgfhgh.

If you desire a further explanation than that, refer to my previous posts about her Nefarious behavior. Or perhaps, just read up on Rumpelstiltskinsahhf stories.

The End.

Now I will go back and catch up on the four pages I just skimmed through.


Well, with that out in the open.

What grouping do we have.

Fea + Aganzir. Absolutely. Ugly Stepsister and Rumpelstiltskin.
The other two?
I was thinking Greenie and Eomer, but since Greenie was just slaughtered by the nasty Bridegroom... kind of throws that out the window.

Hmm.

Eomer and Zil perhaps?
Nerwen the Bridegroom?


I don't think it should be too difficult to find the others.

[Isabellkya]

Simple answer to that Phantom.

Mira had already voted Fea and made her case against her.

I was planning on revealing that Fea was the Ugly Stepsister, but with a weak case it would pretty much point to Mira as the Seer. Or the Ranger, if people had been paying attention.

The longer the Seer hides, the better our chances are of bagging more baddies.

So, it was kind of like being stuck in between a rock and a hard place.

Was I wrong about Shasta? Yes. But I was going on his behavior, and it smelled foul to me.

I didn't imply or claim the either of them had been dreamed of. I merely said that I had an epiphany. Big difference. We can argue semantics all day.

But the point to this entire story toDay is - Fea and Aganzir are nasty baddies. Did you not see how Fea pretty much threw Aganzir under the bus, right out of the gate. Nor Aganzir's comments? Nor Aganzir's vote for me?

[Inziladun]

Ok, Izzy. Your suspicion of me is misplaced, but I'm not going to vote for you based on that. When I see how this turns out tomorrow, I'll decide whether or not to trust you and Mira. Until then you're both on probation.

++ Agan

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I was planning on revealing that Fea was the Ugly Stepsister, but with a weak case it would pretty much point to Mira as the Seer. Or the Ranger, if people had been paying attention.

The longer the Seer hides, the better our chances are of bagging more baddies.

Uh huh.

You know what? I was paying attention. All game. And did quite well for us, I must say.

Aganzir is, of course a wolf. Why lie? (Last night.)

But when I said Izzy was more dangerous... Well, that's not a lie either. (Night before last; I didn't want to have to reveal to kill her... I'd hoped the village would see her laughable bluff as the Ranger ("I'm in contact with the Seer. These two are obviously guilty. Kill, kill! Oh, he's innocent? Oh wait, I never said they were dreamed of...") and take her out without losing me my anonymity.)

This neat little scheme cooked up between her and Mira clinches that Mira's on their side. If I didn't know for certain, I'd never have believed the wolves could possibly be so brazen. Three wolves in a shouting match. I don't know Mira's role for sure, not having checked, but I know exactly what role she isn't, and if she wasn't evil, she wouldn't be on Izzy's side, I'll tell you that.

The phantom is the Bridegroom (Night before Izzy). I didn't bother attacking him because he's listed as an innocent in the tally. I also didn't want him plotting against me. Since he didn't seem to be helping or harming the village, apart from seeking out one player...

I would have much preferred to stay quiet, but really? I don't want to have to try to change everybody's minds at the end of the Day, causing some horrible last minute rush of confused votes.

I am the Seer.

I have dreamed of Agan and Izzy, who are, respectively, Rumple and BBW. Also of the phantom, who is the Bridegroom. I always dream of him. I like to know who he is. Agan was coming across as suspicious, so I checked. Izzy is someone I can never get a read of. After that Werebear incident in that one recent game... I don't take chances with her.

--Aganzir

++Izzy

They're both wolves, but Izzy's more important to kill, since she has the power to turn Little Red Cap if Red's still alive.

I'd rather take out one bad guy and the potential for another rather than taking out simply one.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh good grief, I forgot to list my first dream. It didn't matter anyway: Boro. We know what he was.

[Nerwen]

Well, now. Of our Seer candidates, I'm a fair bit more inclined to bet on Fea than Mira... Fea has just seemed a lot more innocent throughout, plus I'm having trouble believing Izzy's the Ranger.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

They're both wolves, but Izzy's more important to kill, since she has the power to turn Little Red Cap if Red's still alive.

Yes, but Agan has actually confessed now. I mean, you know whether you're telling the truth or not... the village doesn't.

It's the usual problem: both "Seers" agree on one wolf... do you go for the safe bet, which doesn't give you any information about who the real Seer is, or one of the other names, and risk lynching an innocent?

[Isabellkya]

Rofl.

Nerwen you are such a wolf it is ridiculous.
Otherwise you wouldn't latch on to the crap for brains scheme Fea just mentioned.

No, I'm only more important to kill in your eyes - because I can stop your kills.

Hunter, I strongly advise you.

Fea is the Ugly Stepsister.
Aganzir is Rumplie.

The End.

I'll explain why Fea has failed.

Four dreams you say, on Boro, Izzy, Agan, and phantom?

Shall I point out, how you are wrong - and NOT paying attention. Or would you prefer to do it yourself?

If you are going to bluff and fake claim - you might want to atleast try to get all of the details correct.


X'd with Nerwen x2.

[Isabellkya]

Okay. Replying to questions and comments which deem answering. As some have already been answered by other things.

As I've said before phantom. I never said they were dreamed of. I said, not yet. Nor did I imply that they were dreamed of. I thought them both foul, and probable baddies. If I had chosen Aganzir over Shasta with my voting choice, you wouldn't even be whining and griping about it. Actually, you probably would - since you don't have the village's best interest in mind. Though if I had chosen Aganzir over Shatsa you baddies wouldn't of saved me, to look better in the villages eyes. You would've save your mate in crime. Then gone 'oops, did we do that?'

Explain my behavior, Agan? As in earlier toDay, when I was around for maybe.. fifteen minutes? I do believe I stated I would be returning.
Though continue on with it.. trying to discount me towards the village is quite entertaining. As your only "sure fire" way of getting rid of me is by lynching, since obviously no one can protect themselves or another from the noose.

Thoughts on Gwath eh? You thought he was the Seer and I the Ranger. My saying you were Foul, and not dreamed of yet - scared you. So you killed him, thinking you'd get him before he got you. Thinking you could explain it away. But the wavering from multiple people. One second acknowledging I am the Ranger, through statements and behaviours. the next trying to discount me. You can't really have it both ways. Looks to me, like a bit of scrambling is going on in the Nefarious Camp.

Phantom, go for it. Cast the first stone. Other wise you aren't helping much. Baddie hunters shouldn't be so terrified to throw their suspicions at their suspect. Baddies sit back, waiting to make their move. Which is exactly what you are doing. You are trying to get others to do the dirty work for you, so you can just hop on it saying.. "Ya! Me too!' - while keeping your hands relatively clean. Perhaps a pitchfork would be more appropriate for you.

Posing as a gifted? Rofl. Refer to earlier statements.

Aganzir has a new hobby. [Gone Fishin'! For Invisible Gifteds!]

Hahaha. Nice way to put the baddie tally before the innocents. When usually it is innocents: baddies.

I've been a Gifted since I received my role.

Zil really. I said I would be away all day. I can't possibly read the thread and make replies if I'm in the middle of a forest, with no internet connection - let alone a computer. I suppose I could've tried morse code on my GPS, or somehow mentally forced my phone to get a signal.. and tried to check the thread via my phone.

Refer to earlier statements about dream lying. I can't lie about something, if I never said anything about it in the first place. If I never say the sun is green, and always say the sun is blue. I can't be accused of lying about what color the sun is. Get it?

How was Shasta a known innocent Zil? Would that be a slip I see? He is a known innocent, because he isn't one of your wolfy mates?

Such word twisting, when you can go back and look at what was said. *eye rolling*

Rofl @ Zil. When Agan turns out to be Rumplie. you are going to look quite foolish, for not taking us seriously.


My epiphany, since Kath seems to be the only one wondering what it was.

I thought the nefarious creatures were: Fea, Aganzir, Greenie, and Shasta.

Fea, because I already knew she was evil.
Shasta, I thought because his behaviour was pretty foul. Plus, he didn't vote for Fea the day Mith was lynched. The only one on the block he suspected, and he doesn't vote for her?
Aganzir goes and votes for me, saying my case on Shatsa is weird; and twisting a statement made in reference to Boro and Eomer. Which I thought, huh. She was alright with lynching him for damage limitation; then suddenly drops suspicion on him? Really, mates so obvious?
Greenie - purely gut feeling really; though her spot in the pack was mostly left open, since I kind of thought about Eomer fitting in there quite nicely.

Which is why I died laughing and said it couldn't possibly be that easy.

*dances in the reign of her probation*

[Isabellkya]

Whups, correction.

*dances in the confines of her probation*

[Nerwen]

Izzy– by your and Mira's account, you already knew a wolf (Fea) yesterDay, right?

So why didn't you say so– instead of pointing the finger at two (then) unknowns?

[Isabellkya]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Simple answer to that Phantom.

Mira had already voted Fea and made her case against her.

I was planning on revealing that Fea was the Ugly Stepsister, but with a weak case it would pretty much point to Mira as the Seer. Or the Ranger, if people had been paying attention.

The longer the Seer hides, the better our chances are of bagging more baddies.

So, it was kind of like being stuck in between a rock and a hard place.

Was I wrong about Shasta? Yes. But I was going on his behavior, and it smelled foul to me.

I didn't imply or claim the either of them had been dreamed of. I merely said that I had an epiphany. Big difference. We can argue semantics all day.

But the point to this entire story toDay is - Fea and Aganzir are nasty baddies. Did you not see how Fea pretty much threw Aganzir under the bus, right out of the gate. Nor Aganzir's comments? Nor Aganzir's vote for me?

Here is where I explained it to phantom, Nerwen.

I try to do each game different. I noticed that in past games, I'm quite frequently labeled a submarine - even when I do crazy things. Apparently it is in my genetic make-up and there is no avoidance.

If I were to act the exact same way every time I got a specific role, people would pick up on it - and be able to spot me easily.

So this game, I decided to play totally off my rocker and have complete fun with it. Though I mostly stopped after the second Day.

However at this point, I've no qualms with being super direct and perhaps jugular and candid in what I say. It is time to act. We've got two known baddies on our plate - no questions, ifs, ands, or buts about it.

It is entirely each players choice whether or not they choose to believe Mira and Izzy. I can completely understand the reasoning for not wanting to believe me, because of my behavior and actions yesterDay. However, they were done with the best interest of the village in mind. Sure, they probably weren't the best choices made. But I don't claim to be all knowing, or all powerful. I simply try to do the best with what I have, and get the best outcome for the village. As in my previous post regarding knowing Fea was a baddie yesterDay. At first I was all for getting Fea lynched, because she was a known baddie. However as the Day progressed I didn't think it a wise decision to out her, as it would most certainly point directly to the seer. These suspicions and worries in my mind are solidified, seeing how the Nefarious Camp went after Gwath under suspicion of Seership.

[Isabellkya]

Another thought.

Who is more likely to fake reveal, and come up with such a scheme?

Mira and Izzy. Or Fea and Aganzir?


X'd with Lari.

[Lariren Shadow]

As far as if I believe Mira or not…I’m inclined to think she is telling the truth. And her votes, well she has also had the problem of not being around enough. And if she knew that Fea was guilty then what proof could she have? Fea hasn’t been saying a lot, at least that I’ve noticed, this game. Nothing much to build a case with. But there was enough to build a case with Agan and such so knowing her role would have been good. Not going to lie, knowing Mira she would have dreamed of Izzy after Izzy attacked her. So it makes more sense.

We also know that three ordos are dead. There were only five people who got just ordo as their role, with one of them being Little Red. Odds are we might have got Little Red, but won’t know. But I’m not the one to ask about odds, apparently Nerwen is.

Nerwen: I’m not sure what to think of her latching on to the whole fact that Lommy was after Shasta after Lommy died. She seems to really go for that fact in that a wolf got scared and killed Lommy that night. I’m trying to think of a good way to phrase this. Its basically setting off alarm bells in my head. Knowing that Shasta was innocent and that it was based off of a Day 1 suspicion makes me think that this was a kill the wolves knew could be blamed on someone else.

Eomer: Still not sure what to think of him. He has some things to say but not a lot.

Agan: On page 1 in post she said she didn’t like Hansel and Gretel. I know even baddies leave clues but this one is interesting to say the least. And that sentence was written before Mira reveled and making it seem like I could have found something. I have been looking at Agan and thinking her guilty.

McCaber: I also have no idea about him.

Izzy: Well, believing Mira makes her the Ranger.

Mira: See above for your whole thing. But again, knowing you, you would have totally dreamed of Izzy to find out her role after she attacked you.

Gaurcrist: So I decided to google your name. Twas interesting what I found.

Kath: I think she’s more innocent than not. Especially after last post.

Inziladun: I really have no idea about him either. Or what nickname to use. He hasn’t been saying much either, but been a constant presence like Eomer.

Fea: I have been inclined to think her guilty for awhile. Mostly because of her lack of voice and lack of saying things. And what she has been saying has been more…well not like her. I know it could be said it was stress and such but even when she posts its not a lot. She also hasn’t really had specific little side conversations in this game. I don’t know why, I’ve been expecting her to talk to the phantom the whole time and she hasn’t. Its been setting off a warning in my mind this whole time and with the choice to believe Mira it makes a lot more sense.

Lari: Has epically failed playing this game.

the phantom: Thanks for wanting to lynch me for being ill. Says a lot. Can be helpful, seems to want me dead a lot. I AM TO PLAYING. Anyway, I digress. I’ve never, I think, played with him when he is evil. From the way he is playing and his annoyance (which I know could be whole heartedly fabricated) he seems rather more innocent. He wants people to speak up and play, at least me. I mean, well, it could be because in last game I was silent vampire baddie and he was trying to get me to speak to know what was going on. I can see that. Not sure if he could be the cobbler or not but I would like to think he’s not a wolf.

So in short:

Guilty:
Agan
Fea
Nerwen

Probably not guilty:
the phantom

Have a good feeling they are not guilty:
Kath

Innocent:
Mira
Izzy

No idea:
Eomer
Inziladun
McCaber
Gaurcrist

[the phantom]

I had a wee bit of success early on getting people turned towards Izzy, but it seems the case has met a brick wall now. Of course, the Seer had to reveal to make it happen. *snicker*

And Greenie- sorry, but no one likes a princess. So stuck up and sing-songy.

But here's the thing that's going to eat at you- surely you can't lynch me, and surely the Seer won't waste a dream on me, for it's obvious what I am. Right? Right?

But wait! Isn't it possible that I'm faking it? Oooo..... Think about that.

The baddies know what I am for sure. If I'm the RB, the pack knows it. If I'm a pack member, the RB knows it and can help me out and take my place in the lynch. So really, I think that's all there is to say.

Oh, except- love you Fea and Agan! *blows kisses*

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading.

[Nerwen]

Ahhh.... competing reveals... makes me nostalgic for Rikae.

[Nerwen]

This confession post of tp's is (deliberately?) contradictory...

Originally Posted by the phantom

But wait! Isn't it possible that I'm faking it? Oooo..... Think about that.

Now, that is what he might say if he were the RB preparing to "reveal" as a wolf...

But this–

Originally Posted by the phantom

baddies know what I am for sure. If I'm the RB, the pack knows it. If I'm a pack member, the RB knows it and can help me out and take my place in the lynch.

...is what he might say if he were a wolf sending coded instructions to the RB.

Quite a conundrum.

Am I reading too much into the fact the Gaurcrist seems to be trying really hard to be next on the lynch-list?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Am I reading too much into the fact the Gaurcrist seems to be trying really hard to be next on the lynch-list?

Well, he's outright asked us to do it (dared us, actually) at least twice. I may have to take him up on that soon.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Phantom, love of mine, I applaud you for making it so easy for me to find you. If I hadn't screwed it up, it would have made for some nice evidence of my seerhood.