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Gwathagor · 05-23-2009, 11:56 PM

Was that too terse? Let me expound.

If Aganzir is talking about the big post that Shasta made earlier toDay, Aganzir's remark doesn't make any sense because Shasta really didn't say anything particularly weird in that post. He did, however, direct some pointed comments in Aganzir's direction and it looks a lot to me like Aganzir is trying to brush it all off as nothin'. Aganzir's flippancy here and other places is making me suspicious.

Gwathagor · 05-23-2009, 11:58 PM

Alright then.

++Aganzir

Good night.

Isabellkya · 05-24-2009, 12:46 AM

Shasta + Aganzir = Nefarious Mates.

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-24-2009, 01:26 AM

Shasta + Aganzir = Shastaganzir?

Isabellkya · 05-24-2009, 01:37 AM

Ha. Haha.

Not quite.

Care to share your suspicions?
Or are you just going to skip that toDay, and go straight to the bandwagoning Mr. Nefarious?

Isabellkya · 05-24-2009, 01:54 AM

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Izzy is a possibility too. She voted early for Mith (2nd vote), than expressed anger that she had not been around at the deadline to retract. She said she had not expected a bandwagon effect. Why vote for someone if you don't want them lynched? She claimed to have not noticed Shasta's miscount. She berates him for voting Mith and not giving good reasons, when her reason was that all Mith's posts were 'empty filler', 'banter', and 'spam'.

I find person A and person B suspicious. I vote person A. Person B votes person A after me.

That is a bit alarming to me. It speaks in Person A's favor, and person B's disfavor.
Especially if more people vote Person A, and it has turned into a bandwagon.

Bandwagons are nasty things. Most of the time, they are on innocent people. Follow?

What does Shasta's miscount have to do with anything?

Shasta didn't even give a reason as to why he voted for Mith. In my opinion from reading his posts and seeing his behavior. He jumped on a wagon. He didn't even vote for one of his suspects. That is the name of the game if you are innocent - you vote for whom you find suspicious. If you are a baddie, you have ulterior motives, and you aren't looking to lynch your baddie mates.
We are trying to find the baddies - how is posting a bunch of spam, banter, and emptiness going to find the baddies?

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-24-2009, 02:01 AM

I gave a reason earlier on today.

1-4 - Izzy finds it

Mirandir · 05-25-2009, 02:28 PM

So I didn't find anything that would necessarily lead to me to believe that the wolves got seer-vibes from Gwath, but I did find something else interesting.

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Was that too terse? Let me expound.

If Aganzir is talking about the big post that Shasta made earlier toDay, Aganzir's remark doesn't make any sense because Shasta really didn't say anything particularly weird in that post. He did, however, direct some pointed comments in Aganzir's direction and it looks a lot to me like Aganzir is trying to brush it all off as nothin'. Aganzir's flippancy here and other places is making me suspicious.

Here Gwath finds Agan's comment about Shasta's earlier post suspicious. Both have since ended up dead. He also voted for Aganzir.

If Agan is a wolf as some people seem to believe (myself included), she could have killed Gwath at Night because he was onto her furry ways. Starting my case against her now.

Aganzir · 05-25-2009, 02:48 PM

Sorry Mira but I think you're underestimating me - I wouldn't be so jumpy as a wolf that I'd kill someone because he voiced a little suspicion against me.

And the comment was not about Shasta's earlier post, it was about his behaviour in general and Gwath misinterpreted it. I have nothing to do with their deaths, either of their.

I hope your case is good and different from your Fea case - that is, objective.

Aganzir · 05-25-2009, 03:11 PM

Has it perchance occurred to anyone that if I was indeed a wolf and had killed Gwath, I would so not be here when the day starts, shouting "Maybe they thought he was the seer!"?

If I was a wolf, would I kill someone whose death points to me when all I had to do would be to survive a couple of days?

If I killed someone whose death points to me, would I suggest he might have been considered the seer when all I had to do would be to survive a couple of days?

Go figure.

Mirandir · 05-25-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Has it perchance occurred to anyone that if I was indeed a wolf and had killed Gwath, I would so not be here when the day starts, shouting "Maybe they thought he was the seer!"?

If I was a wolf, would I kill someone whose death points to me when all I had to do would be to survive a couple of days?

If I killed someone whose death points to me, would I suggest he might have been considered the seer when all I had to do would be to survive a couple of days?

Go figure.

Yes, actually, I think you would. Want to know why? Because I know you're a wolf. Want to know how? Because I'm the seer.

Aganzir · 05-25-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirandir

Yes, actually, I think you would. Want to know why? Because I know you're a wolf. Want to know how? Because I'm the seer.

A bad try. I am innocent and if you're the seer & have dreamed of me, you should know it as well.

I don't know if you're a baddie trying to get me lynched & possibly flush the real seer out at the same time, or the seer (who has not dreamed of me) trying to put some pressure on me in order to see if I react wolfishly, but in either case you're wrong. Sorry.

Mirandir · 05-25-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

A bad try. I am innocent and if you're the seer & have dreamed of me, you should know it as well.

I don't know if you're a baddie trying to get me lynched & possibly flush the real seer out at the same time, or the seer (who has not dreamed of me) trying to put some pressure on me in order to see if I react wolfishly, but in either case you're wrong. Sorry.

I dreamed of you last night. You are Rumpelstilkskin.

Fea is the Ugly Stepsister.

Izzy is the Fairy Godmother.

Boro came across as a Prince because he had already been united with his Lover.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 05-25-2009, 03:26 PM

Oh dear.

This is worse than Izzy saying she was the Ranger and then pulling one over on us.

Aganzir · 05-25-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Agan is competent: her kind of slip is barely believable. She all but said she's a wolf.

I still don't understand that. Care to explain?

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Originally Posted by Fea

They can try to salvage Izzy's mess up at the end of yesterday by deflecting the attention to Agan.

That's what they're doing in any case.

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Originally Posted by Mirandir

Gwath and Izzy are both gifted so she could have been hiding her real suspicions in with a mate or two or hers.

Since when has Izzy been a gifted?

Mirandir · 05-25-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Since when has Izzy been a gifted?

Did you miss the cross post dear? Izzy's gifted since I dreamed of her and found out she's my ranger. We've been in contact since Night 2.

Aganzir · 05-25-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

This isn't hard, Aganzir. You said that Gwath's suspicion of you led you to believe he was the seer. If you're not evil, he wouldn't suspect you. If he wasn't right, you wouldn't label him with the Gifted role that's more or less infallible about such things.

No I didn't! I said it was the seeming connection between Gwath and Izzy that led me believe so (not the fact that Gwath suspected me), and Izzy said herself the seer hadn't dreamed of me!

Lariren Shadow · 05-25-2009, 03:24 PM

To take Mira's word for it or not...that is the question.

Ok Seer Mira...who have you dreamed of besides Agan then?

Am currently working on epic post of epic also known as an analysis post.

Gaurcrist · 05-25-2009, 03:36 PM

Hey, why not vote tp? If we just vote blindly, there is still a one-third chance that we will get a baddie. Come on. Please?

Gaurcrist · 05-25-2009, 03:37 PM

Why am I an animated skeleton?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 05-25-2009, 03:04 PM

I think they killed him to sow confusion, hoping the Ranger would waste a protection on somebody important. The first part obviously worked. I hope the second part didn't.

Now here's what I'm thinking, now that I've napped: Agan is competent: her kind of slip is barely believable. She all but said she's a wolf. Why would she do that when it would be so easy to set up Izzy today? Why put the spotlight on herself?

So I'm thinking: they don't want to get Izzy killed.

What if Izzy is more important than Aganzir to the pack? I can't see Agan taking one for the team on purpose unless it's for a big win. She was suspected, but not pinned. Why thrust herself into almost certain death?

I think Izzy might be the Big Bad Wolf and the wolves would rather keep their chance at Red Cap alive than keep Aganzir around. Since Agan was already suspected, she would make a good lynch candidate.

They can try to salvage Izzy's mess up at the end of yesterday by deflecting the attention to Agan.

If the village is confident about one wolf and confused about another, wouldn't they assuredly vote for the one?

05-23-2009, 11:56 PM	#1
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Was that too terse? Let me expound. If Aganzir is talking about the big post that Shasta made earlier toDay, Aganzir's remark doesn't make any sense because Shasta really didn't say anything particularly weird in that post. He did, however, direct some pointed comments in Aganzir's direction and it looks a lot to me like Aganzir is trying to brush it all off as nothin'. Aganzir's flippancy here and other places is making me suspicious. __________________ Stories and songs.

05-23-2009, 11:58 PM	#2
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Alright then. ++Aganzir Good night. __________________ Stories and songs.

05-24-2009, 12:46 AM	#3
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Shasta + Aganzir = Nefarious Mates. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

05-24-2009, 01:26 AM	#4
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Shasta + Aganzir = Shastaganzir? __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

05-24-2009, 01:37 AM	#5
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Ha. Haha. Not quite. Care to share your suspicions? Or are you just going to skip that toDay, and go straight to the bandwagoning Mr. Nefarious? __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

05-24-2009, 02:01 AM	#7
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	I gave a reason earlier on today. 1-4 - Izzy finds it __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

05-25-2009, 02:48 PM	#9
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Sorry Mira but I think you're underestimating me - I wouldn't be so jumpy as a wolf that I'd kill someone because he voiced a little suspicion against me. And the comment was not about Shasta's earlier post, it was about his behaviour in general and Gwath misinterpreted it. I have nothing to do with their deaths, either of their. I hope your case is good and different from your Fea case - that is, objective. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

05-25-2009, 03:11 PM	#10
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Has it perchance occurred to anyone that if I was indeed a wolf and had killed Gwath, I would so not be here when the day starts, shouting "Maybe they thought he was the seer!"? If I was a wolf, would I kill someone whose death points to me when all I had to do would be to survive a couple of days? If I killed someone whose death points to me, would I suggest he might have been considered the seer when all I had to do would be to survive a couple of days? Go figure. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle. Last edited by Aganzir; 05-25-2009 at 03:12 PM. Reason: xed with Fea & Mira

05-25-2009, 03:26 PM	#14
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Oh dear. This is worse than Izzy saying she was the Ranger and then pulling one over on us. __________________ peace

05-25-2009, 03:24 PM	#18
Lariren Shadow Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Where the day meets the night Posts: 607	To take Mira's word for it or not...that is the question. Ok Seer Mira...who have you dreamed of besides Agan then? Am currently working on epic post of epic also known as an analysis post. __________________ Choose treachery, its more fun!

05-25-2009, 03:36 PM	#19
Gaurcrist Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 40	Hey, why not vote tp? If we just vote blindly, there is still a one-third chance that we will get a baddie. Come on. Please?

05-25-2009, 03:37 PM	#20
Gaurcrist Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 40	Why am I an animated skeleton?

05-25-2009, 03:04 PM	#21
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	For Agan I think they killed him to sow confusion, hoping the Ranger would waste a protection on somebody important. The first part obviously worked. I hope the second part didn't. Now here's what I'm thinking, now that I've napped: Agan is competent: her kind of slip is barely believable. She all but said she's a wolf. Why would she do that when it would be so easy to set up Izzy today? Why put the spotlight on herself? So I'm thinking: they don't want to get Izzy killed. What if Izzy is more important than Aganzir to the pack? I can't see Agan taking one for the team on purpose unless it's for a big win. She was suspected, but not pinned. Why thrust herself into almost certain death? I think Izzy might be the Big Bad Wolf and the wolves would rather keep their chance at Red Cap alive than keep Aganzir around. Since Agan was already suspected, she would make a good lynch candidate. They can try to salvage Izzy's mess up at the end of yesterday by deflecting the attention to Agan. If the village is confident about one wolf and confused about another, wouldn't they assuredly vote for the one? __________________ peace