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Old 05-03-2009, 10:03 AM   #1
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Defensive? Really?

Because I reacted to a vote against myself, and determined that it was a dodgy vote?

I suppose I could have taken the Sally-route and just shrugged it off and not talked about it.

Well, I have a lazy Sunday here, and I keep refreshing the page every 20 minutes and posting for the hell of it. I've decided that it's been far, far too long since I was a loudmouth in one of these games.
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:17 AM   #2
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Sigh. So it's Day One, and I can't make much out of things so far. I really envy those who are (or seem to be) able to formulate complicated-ish plans and read into people's posts. Yeah, I'm looking at you Nogrod and Eomer. I don't know, but you two feel genuinely innocent to me right now.

Legate still worries me for some reason, I can't quite put my finger to it. Seems to me he's saying too much, and not being too careful about it. Which should normally speak for his innocence, because he's not afraid to speak his mind and be lynched for it, but not in this case. Either he's being too careless, or just trying to make it appear that he's not careful. If that made sense.

Shasta, too, is suspicious. Posts of no significant content and a safe vote for Nogrod. Tsktsktsk.

I can quite sympathise with Brinn, at least for toDay. That pesky RL can be such a pain. But Sally's reaction to Brinn's vote for her is interesting. It feels...patronising. And quite creepy. That probably translates to suspicious. And I'm not sure I like all this cavorting with Nilp, but that's probably just because, well, it's Nilp.

Speaking of whom, I missed those self-votes. Nilp is probably bored and 80% innocent.

Nerwen seems alright. The rest are either unreadable or submarine - at least they are not registering with me. Which is not a good thing.

It's so late her that it's early, so I'll vote in a bit. Shasta or Legate or sally? Hmm.
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:56 AM   #3
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Eomer, sly I am, but I would suggest that we are not looking for sly, we are looking for scary guys in dark robes - which theoretically should not be hard to pick out from a crowd, but I guess these wraiths have decided to go with a change in wardrobe.

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So "dealing" a friendship? Looks like a baddie trying to make alliances with the goodies...
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You misunderstood, Captain, I want to get off this rock - err ship - and Legate has the means to do that. In return I offered support for his insurrection, he might feel good about it now but once he gets far from home and supply lines are stretched...he will find out his rebellion is quite hard to keep going.

But if you have the power to get me out of this hell Captain Nogrod, then my ears are open. You could have a mutiny in the coming days if you keep this attitude. The name is Max von Drake, former master of arms, and my services may help you in the near future. *Pulls out a stack of certificates, and hands to Nogrod "Max von Drake, certified public assassin"*

I will do a more thorough read of the thread and make a decision. From my quick look, the person I am slightly suspicious of is Rune for his response to Nogrod's aggressiveness. Nogrod was one of the players I have had limited experience with and I remember this same fiestiness. Nogrod is someone who strikes me as his style does not let him survive to the very end all that often and that would mean it would be a mistake to lynch him on day 1 based on his aggressiveness.
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Old 05-03-2009, 12:12 PM   #4
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It seems there won't be much happening around this time, and I'm already sleepy, so it's time to vote. I'm sticking to my first and strongest suspicion.

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Old 05-03-2009, 12:22 PM   #5
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We shouldn't lynch hypocrits either, it may be morally compromising to be hypocritical, but being a hypocrit doth not a Ringwraith make - or frankly we'd all be wraiths. If you believe a quiet one a Ringwraith make than vote for the quiet one do not abstain because you fear hypocrisy.

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My assumptions about him from my first game still seem to be accurate. And it could just be last Nogrod witnessed Greenie, Shasta, and Lariren, play three extremely quiet wolves - and we are talking about a maximum of 3 posts a day (all three of them missed voting once) and they let the innocents duke it out and lynch eachother.

To believe this will be the exact same scenario will likely get us into trouble, but I am not worried by Nogrod's aggressiveness today.
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Old 05-03-2009, 12:40 PM   #6
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Here is where the headache sets in, because I do not have any idea one where to go.

Other than feeling pretty good about Legate and Eomer, everything else is a big blur.

I like Legate because he makes long posts, alright that might be a bad reason, but he talks about everyone, which means if he is innocent he is analytical and he thinks. If a wraith he leaves a nice dirty laundry list. Keep him.

And currently I am agreeing with Eomer about the several dodgy votes. I was first thinking this was a good list of names, and it may be unwise to expand it, because crunching the numbers, there is the probablility of a ringwraith. But then looking at the people with votes, I really can not see a reason to vote for one of them, and that got me thinking about voting early. But this is where I need some help, because I have no clue - there always seems to be a focus on the people who step out early and start suspecting peple. Then others respond with "ooh look at this person trying to steer our attention, lets watch him/her." But what about wraiths trying to focus our choices for later towards the deadline, by voting early and healthily spreading out the choices - making anyone wary of adding more names because we might feel "this is a good list for day 1?"
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Old 05-03-2009, 12:50 PM   #7
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I'm not keen on this "confusion" or anti-keenness towards Nog's "newfound aggressiveness". He was similar the last game, and he was innocent. This game, I think he just has more material to back up his 'lynch the quiet' stance.

I agree with the quit roleplaying. Or at least make sure you have enough game related material to counter the banter, in-character stuff. Otherwise, you can just float through the game - looking like you are being helpful and pro-innocent, when you are truly hiding behind your created character.

I find myself agreeing with Nerwen here. The amount of random votes... well they are all random save for Nilp's.

Isn't Nilp known for voting for himself? Even has a .. catch phrase? 'Nilping yourself'?


X'd with Nog x2 and Kent.
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Old 05-03-2009, 01:02 PM   #8
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Isn't Nilp known for voting for himself? Even has a .. catch phrase? 'Nilping yourself'?
He's legendary for that. Not that him making it makes him more innocent this time around.

I'm off to review the votes so far - what where the given reasons for them that is. I'm pretty confident we have some easy-going wolves (well one at least) there. Voting early with random-grounds is the safest way to avoid the gallows on Day1 as no one will be ready to lynch someone for that only. And therefore perfect wolf-tactics.

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The normal "two subsequent Days of no posting or voting" serves as a guideline, sort of...
Okay. At the moment I'm inclined to vote either Groin or Eönwë. But they have an hour to change that inclination.

And maybe something better will come forwards before voting-time... hopefully.

EDIT: X'd with Eönwë... Bright timing!
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I'm not keen on this "confusion" or anti-keenness towards Nog's "newfound aggressiveness". He was similar the last game, and he was innocent. This game, I think he just has more material to back up his 'lynch the quiet' stance.
Though it may just be a cover for his wolfish self. If someone is known for something which makes them seem normal, then they can use that to form an "I'm always like this" excuse. Same goes for Nilp. Not that I find any of them really suspicious (Nog a little, Nilp I'm not sure). All I'm saying is that it pays to look from both sides.

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Funny because I think Nogrod seems more agressive than normally. . .He says the same as usual, but the way he say it seems more agressive.
Could just be his dialect. I'd keelhaul the lotta ya if ya keep talkin' like tha'! No, I can't really do it.

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(Oh, how I phantasize a werewolfing community where random-voting on Day1 would lead to quick and immediate lynch - that way the wolves would be forced to try and play and not just hunker down with their malicious "random-votes")
What a nice vision

Anyway, of course, Nogrod is right... well, I will be a minimalist here and just hope that the random votes will at least end with Day 1. And if possible, of course, that the people who are going to vote yet will avoid them.

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I'm not keen on this "confusion" or anti-keenness towards Nog's "newfound aggressiveness". He was similar the last game, and he was innocent. This game, I think he just has more material to back up his 'lynch the quiet' stance.

I agree with the quit roleplaying. Or at least make sure you have enough game related material to counter the banter, in-character stuff. Otherwise, you can just float through the game - looking like you are being helpful and pro-innocent, when you are truly hiding behind your created character.
All right, Isabell actually continues to scare me: it is basically that when you appear to post, you agree with a few people and then go again. Sort of unconflicting behavior - and you are giving input of your own.

Isabellkya is actually one of those I am considering for my voting. Others could come from the list of people I am watching: wilwa, sally, Eomer... I am more positive on Kent now after he started to post some substance. Let's see, I will think now about my vote.

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Isn't Nilp known for voting for himself? Even has a .. catch phrase? 'Nilping yourself'?
Is he? Really? If so, then okay. (Well, not "okay", but at least nothing bad with that.)

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Uhm, I thought there was some sense actually. If I voted for someone who has barely posted everyone would be like "wow, hypocrite, you haven't posted much either", and too often has someone gotten trouble later on for copying someone elses vote, so I was not going to vote as someone else did. And rarely does anyone ever vote for someone who a) has never played or b) they've never played with, on a Day 1.
Okay, now, I haven't played with you before, but you know what? This actually looks to me very, very calculated up to the point that it would raise one's eyebrows. Because what you basically said is (at least the beginning): "I have voted the way I did in order not to seem suspicious." But should not the innocents vote for the best of the village instead of just the best of themselves? Okay, though I am not sure if you would have stated these reasons openly like that had you been a Wraith... but still. Well if you are not, it is certainly not a good reasoning to use. Anything to say to that?

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Legate still worries me for some reason, I can't quite put my finger to it. Seems to me he's saying too much, and not being too careful about it. Which should normally speak for his innocence, because he's not afraid to speak his mind and be lynched for it, but not in this case. Either he's being too careless, or just trying to make it appear that he's not careful. If that made sense.
Okay, whatever, my lady. I am not sure I got your point, but still, I don't see it as the best beginning of our honeymoon. (Reminds me of some of my former wives, too...)

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My assumptions about him from my first game still seem to be accurate. And it could just be last Nogrod witnessed Greenie, Shasta, and Lariren, play three extremely quiet wolves - and we are talking about a maximum of 3 posts a day (all three of them missed voting once) and they let the innocents duke it out and lynch eachother.

To believe this will be the exact same scenario will likely get us into trouble, but I am not worried by Nogrod's aggressiveness today.
Ah yea, so then that would likely speak for the way I thought. Okay...

Well, anyway. I should make my mind as to whom to vote for. I will try to sum up my thoughts now...

edit: x-ed since Kent's 66
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but I am not worried by Nogrod's aggressiveness today.
Don't be. First of all, we need to suspect and throw the suspicions around to see how people react. Secondly - as I've said a thousand times - the wolves need to be nice and uncontroversial but we don't. And really, aggressiviness? That must be a cultural & linguistical difference as well. I think I have been the most mild-mannered and polite all the time.

Yes. Most of the votes so far have been just terrible. The problem is that not all who have voted yet can be werewolves. Shame on you people.

How can we separate the maliciously bad votes from the rest if everyone votes "randomly" or with no points whatsoever? Every nonsense vote given by an innocent eases the task of the wolves to blend in the crowd of whom nothing can be said about toMorrow.

(Oh, how I phantasize a werewolfing community where random-voting on Day1 would lead to quick and immediate lynch - that way the wolves would be forced to try and play and not just hunker down with their malicious "random-votes")

Okay. One hour+ remaining.

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I didn't find any mentioning of a modfire from the rules. So is there one - and which are the conditions for it - or do we have to decide what to do with the dead load ourselves?
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I didn't find any mentioning of a modfire from the rules. So is there one - and which are the conditions for it - or do we have to decide what to do with the dead load ourselves?
Yes, I forgot to mention it. Modfire exists, but it's not based on any set rule, but on the Mod's consideration. The normal "two subsequent Days of no posting or voting" serves as a guideline, sort of...
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