WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Mithalwen]

I would guess that Issy (as other brave players have in the past) was making an attempt to save Gwath after his reveal. There was a dream catcher in a game I didn't play in so I have no idea how it works. Maybe effectivey a good cobbler... a cobbler will take a fall for the wolves after all... a "good cobbler" would stick their neck out for the gifteds..

Nogrod, I read the post that freaks you as "I know that Rikae is the cobbler. ergo she isn't as dangerous as a duck". I wouldn't over analyse this it... we need to focus on killing ducks. And I think that even a shrunken flock must mean ducks rather than one duck.

Mac dear...I don't think Phantom's death is desirable ....(I would say that wouldn't I...) Mine definitely isn't...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Nogrod, I read the post that freaks you as "I know that Rikae is the cobbler. ergo she isn't as dangerous as a duck". I wouldn't over analyse this it... we need to focus on killing ducks.

It's not so much the "she isn't as dangerous as ducks" - part of it, but the preceding part that makes me nervous, the "I completely understand Rikae's role now" -thing. That just doesn't look genuine.

Were she an ordinary innocent who just realised that Rikae indeed is a cobbler she would have said something along the lines of "Yay, I see now why you think Rikae is a cobbler and it fits", or ""I think Rikae is a cobbler" - and then she could have inferred that she's probably less dangerous than the actual ducks. That could have been innocentish.

But she said she suddenly understood Rikae's role completely! Practically claiming she not only knew Rikae was a cobbler but also that she knew what other cababilities, tasks and goals Rikae had - and armed with that "complete understanding" of Rikae's role she saw she was less dangerous than the ducks.

So it's a much more forceful defence - and is clearly based on something that is not true (I'm hesitant to use the word lie anymore after what happened I used it the previous time ). There is no way Izzy suddenly gained full knowledge of every facet that went into Rikae's role, but still she claimed to have it and leaning on it tried to prevent us from lynching her.

She didn't claim "complete understanding" of Rikae's role for nothing. Making that kind of untrue claims have a reason behind them.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

I would guess that Issy (as other brave players have in the past) was making an attempt to save Gwath after his reveal.

My thoughts exactly! Oh, except I'd probably substitute "lynch" for "save" in that sentence.

...Although I agree with Nogrod that she was also trying to save Rikae.

Meanwhile I think Rikae was trying to save Nilp. She was trying to drag Mith to the block, then out of the blue she confessed. What was happening then? Only Nilp going "Mwa-ha-ha!" and people arguing over whether he was a cobbler playing duck or a duck playing cobbler. I guess Rikae picked the second one.

YES! N3RW3N HAZ TEH AWSUMST BRANE EVA!!!111!!!

[Nerwen]

Hey!

What if Nilp's "Fibonacci sequence" doesn't refer to the number of ducks, but the Nights on which new ducks are added? (assuming you ignore a "1"). So the flock started out with x ducks, and a duck was added on Nights 1, 2 and 3, and there'll be another toNight (Night 5).

*dies of own brilliance*



(Disclaimer: ...and it may also be a random comment thrown out by Nilp for the purpose of driving us further up the wall...)

EDIT: clarification
EDIT2: clarification

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sorry, I'll be around only for an hour or so. This fool--I mean, my host, had--or though he had, the stupid turlingdrome--an exam today. So off he went to school, not realising that the bloody thing has been postponed and so he wandered around UP doing nothing the whole day. But yeah, it can happen to anyone, especially if they only have half their brain, and that half's already rotting due to the weather and enforced holidays.

And, anyway, we can't stay late cos early tomorrow morning there is something of consequence.

So, I bet Gwath dreamt of us last NIGHT before he got his eyes plucked out by ducky beaks, and I guess now in the afterlife he's scratching his head, wondering who we're supposed to be. Hahaha!

I've done my purpose to the dead, and now to the living:

• Feanor of the Peredhil: Nice to see you using them pronouns again! Modfire.
  
  
• Nogrod: Is too afraid to lynch Nilp, should we lynch you instead?
  
  
• Isabellkya: Revealed her hand too soon. Cut her hands off.
  
  
• Nerwen: Is cheering more. YAAAY!!! To the stake.
  
  
• Mithalwen: Is this guy's mother. Should have done the proper thing a long time ago, and left him to the wolves. Lynch.
  
  Adam!
  
  Shush, he left me in charge.
  
  
• Lariren Shadow: Is doing a somewhat good job. Too bad you're the only one left!!! Lynch.
  
  
• Macalaure: Couldn't lynch this guy yesterday, even if he could have. Lynch.
  
  
• Durelin: Errrrrm . . . Lynch?
  
  
• Nilpaurion Felagund: Should die. Now, if possible. Lynch.

Anyway, a village who can't even do a proper mass-lynch should be lynched. So my vote's a rather easy one:

++EVERYONE (and your little mod, too.)

Good night.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Known not-ducks, says Gwath:

• Fea
• Nog
• Mac
• Mith

Not known by Gwath:

• Durelin
• Nerwen
• Lari
• Nilp
• Izzy

Makes Day easy: Kill Not Known.

Can Kath-duck slayer kill again? One Night thing? Gwath with retributional powers? Modified-seer acts as Hunter?

Questions to be answered.

Still, lynch Not Known. Not so hard.

Izzy looks like cobbler-type. Not duck.

Lynch one of others. Kill ducks, win game?

Lynch Sally later, for collective headache.

[Macalaure]

I agree with what people say about Izzy.

Any ideas, though, which one out of her, Nilp, Nerwen, Lari, and Durelin we should lynch? Unless we're dealing with a cursed role, one of the is a duck, but one looks cobbler-like, one gave his brain to a pawnbroker before the game started, and three look quite innocent to me.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Not Izzy.

[Mithalwen]

Nogrod.... this is not a game in which the concept of ordinary innocents has much currency. I think I can safely say that. You must have noticed and I think Sally pretty well said as much. Therefore Issy may be innocent but not ordinary.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Therefore Issy may be innocent but not ordinary.

Sure. We don't know whether tracking seer(s?) is a goodie-, a cobbler- or a baddie role. It may be anything. Although it beats me how a seer-tracker could be a goodie.

But that's enough of the subject from me now.

We may do wise to concentrate toDay on those Gwath had no knowledge of (eg. the not-known innocents) as there are only five of them. But later on I wouldn't take Gwath's list as granted. If there are people actually changing sides then someone Gwath dreamed of earlier might have other allegiances now. That would be more probable with those who have been dreamt of very early on eg. you Fea. Were you a changed duck you would have reason to stress using that list...

And if we are going to duck-hunt, which I think the best route now, I'm ready to agree Izzy looks less a duck so I might be ready to concentrate the search to the four remaining people eg. Nerwen, Dury, Lari and Nilp.

[Nogrod]

I'm not sure how much help this will be, but as I gathered this informtion to myself let it be shared as well. So here's yesterDay's voting. Oh, the problem of making a good case... so easy to bandwagon it... (I've bolded those not known by Gwath)

Nilp ++ Mac (Mac 1)
Nilp – Mac ( )
Fea ++ Nilp (Nilp 1)
Fea – Nilp ( )
Rikae ++ Mac (Mac 1)
Nilp ++ Durelin (Dury 1, Mac 1)
Mac ++ Rikae (Rikae 1, Dury 1, Mac 1)
Mith ++ Durelin (Dury 2, Rikae 1, Mac 1)
Nerwen ++ Rikae (Rikae 2, Dury 2, Mac 1)
Nogrod ++ Rikae (Rikae 3, Dury 2, Mac 1)
Rikae – Mac (Rikae 3, Dury 2)
Rikae ++ Rikae (Rikae 4, Dury 2)
Gwath ++ Nilp (Rikae 4, Dury 2, Nilp 1)
Dury ++ Rikae (Rikae 5, Dury 2, Nilp 1)
Fea ++ Rikae (Rikae 6, Dury 2, Nilp 1)
Lari ++ Durelin (Rikae 6, Dury 3, Nilp 1)
Izzy ++ Rikae (Rikae 7, Dury 3, Nilp 1)

Lari's vote for Dury is interesting (and there was no reason stated in the vote post). I need to run so I have no time to check what she had said earlier. Dury's and Izzie's votes are rather insignificant as what comes to the outcome of the vote. It's hard to say how honest they were...

See you about five hours before the deadline.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Mith

I read the post that freaks you as "I know that Rikae is the cobbler. ergo she isn't as dangerous as a duck".

The problem with this is that everyone had rather come to the consensus that Rikae was in fact the cobbler (and it was what Rikae was declaring most of the Day), so it wasn't as if it was a big revelation for her to realize that.

So I'm not putting Izzy aside. Revealing some kind of role in this game seems to be a smart way to remove yourself from the chopping-block. And, like others, I can't think of the purpose of a 'seer tracker'...unless they have other powers to perhaps protect the seer or can notify the baddies.

Lari still feels bad to me. She's been cautiously on the edge of things, acting the most like a straightforward wolf. She kinda follows the pattern of the rest of the flock, or at least the rest of the flock that is deceased so far. And yes, it's a bit annoying when she's twice voted for me for no reason.

Nerwen has been skating by without much notice, and her latest...theories are making me start to feel like she's another cobbler. We really aren't done with the fibonacci sequence yet?

Nilp is an enigma, as usual. And, as usual, I can't tell if he really wants to be lynched or not. But I echo the statement I made about revealing some kind of role...or at least suggesting at one.

Yes, in fact, you are all evil. I'm feeling very negative today. I blame it on the fact that my sinuses are ready to explode.

Here's the votes from days 1, 2, and 3. If we indeed have a growing flock at any point, though, the past votes may not mean much.

Day 1

Rikae -> Nog (1)
Mac -> Gwath (1)
Mith -> Lari (1)
Kath -> Brinn (1)
Lari -> Durie (1)
Nog -> Durie (2)
Lommy -> Lari (2)
Legate ->Durie (3)
Gwath -> Legate (1)
Mira -> Lommy (1)
Izzy -> Lari (3)
Fea -> Brinn (2)
Nienna -> Legate (2)
wilwa -> Legate (3)
Brinn -> Legate (4)
Dury -> Legate (5)


Day 2

Mith→Lommy (1)
Kath → Lari (1)
Lommy→ Gwath (1)
Bubbles→Lommy (2)
Wilwa→ Gwath (2)
Rikae → Mith (1)
Nienna--> Gwath (3)
Brinniel -> Lommy (3)
Fea -> Lommy (4)
Gwath -> Lommy (5)
Durelin -> Lommy (6)
Lari -> Gwath (4)
Izzy -> Lari (2)
Nogrod -> Lommy (7)
Nerwen -> Lommy (8)


Day 3

Rikae -> Mith (1)
Nilp -> Kath (1)
Kath -> Lari (1)
Mith -> Kath (2)
Mac -> Nienna (1)
Nog -> Nilp (1)
Fea -> Nilp (2)
Nienna -> Mith (2)
Brinniel -> Kath (3)
Nerwen -> Nienna (2)
Izzy -> Nienna (3)
Durelin -> Nienna (4)
Lariren -> Mith (2)
Gwath -> Lari (2)

I'd say something useful about the voting records but I really need to get working on some nasssty Latin homework.

[Mithalwen]

How many Phantoms does it take to change a light bulb?

One: He holds the bulb, and the world spins around him.