WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Thinlómien]

Mira

Originally Posted by Mira

Perhaps it is time to head off to dream land and hope said dreams aren't plagued by wereducks.

Could the ducks have seen this a seer hint?

Suspects: Kath, Lommy, Nilp; thinks innocentish: Brinn, Nog; neither: Fea, wilwa, Dury, Izzy, Nerwen, Rikae, Mith, Lari, Mac, Nienna, Gwath. Votes: Lommy.
These don't maybe tell us very much, though, because the seer surely had no Night1 dream.

One last thing... maybe the ducks simply got (false) gifted vibes from Mira?

~*~

Late yesterDay

Hope you guys don't mind me replying Mira although she's already dead I just have to straighten this out...

Originally Posted by Mira

So you're voting for her because she bantered for the first three pages just like Nienna, phantom, sally, and I all did. That makes sense. You claim she should know better but so should everyone else. That seems highly suspicious in my opinion.

I think it's pretty obvious I couldn't have voted all of the early banterers.

Originally Posted by Fea

++Brinn

Self preservation. On a meta-level. And now...

By a sleep to say we end the heartache...

One can hope...

What to make out of this? Just a joke or something more sinister?

Originally Posted by Durelin

Her vote was an easy one, and her comment about not really thinking Lari is a wolf anyway but "oh, it's just Day 1"...

I still don't get why it's suspicious not to have proper suspects on Day1.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Lommy: On one hand, she agreed with me when I said we should vote based only on behaviour. Yet she then votes Lari for banter posts. Very contradicting.

It was all the "evidence" I had... and besides it was a sort of gut-feeling anyway.

[Nienna]

I don't have time to finish reading the posts so far as I am late, late, for a very important... school day... anyway... i just want to give props to Shasta for a very Shakespearean death... it always seems to take them forever to die...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Mac

If at least you would've connected the dots the right way, but the picture is entirely skewed. I really wish I could go into detail, but that would be unwise.

*raises eyebrow* What? Why do I get the feeling that some people are sending secret messages and I'm left out...

Oh well, I'm leaving now but I'll be back later.

edit: xed (and agreed ) with Nienna

[Nogrod]

Running back to work but just a quick one.

Anyone else wondering why there was only one kill last Night?

Originally Posted by Mac

In any case, Nogrod deserves a brutal, vicious, and unnecessarily violent lynching for discussing roles and requirements the way he did.
...
I really wish I could go into detail, but that would be unwise.

I see what you mean, but aren't you a bit hasty to throw the first stone? If you had a role that included omniscience you might argue you have the details right - but if you aren't an omniscient being then you must admit you don't know all the details. Like the one that your stone would be going in a wrong direction in this case even if your intentions were good...

Good work Lommy for spotting the "dream-thing" from Mira's posting. It looks like something worth trying for the ducks - not the least because even if they failed she would be a nice kill anyway leaving little tracks for anyone to follow. But if that is the truth, then we are sadly out of clues as to solving the problem Mac brought forwards as to whether the ducks feel confident or are under pressure.

[wilwarin538]

here and reading...will have post soonish

[wilwarin538]

Shasta had the opportunity to pick a person to kill and chose Wilwa (hence the cowbell attack) but the success of his 'revenge kill' was decided by coin flip and he lost, so she lives.

Wow, my life on a coin flip, that's pretty scary...

Anyway, I have been given a second chance at life so I will definitely try and be useful.

Anyone else wondering why there was only one kill last Night?

It must simply mean that we are only dealing with wolves and not a bear or anything. Unless the bear gave up his chance for a kill so that we wouldn't know of his existence right away, but I doubt that.

Lommy's "seer hint" spot makes a lot of sense, seers always seem to be the main target for wolves so it wouldn't surprise me for a second that they'd go after anyone who could fill that role.

Miri didn't really contribute anything of value, and that usually leaves four options:
1. The game is going exactly the direction the ducks desire, and she was a kill that wouldn't disturb this.
2. The ducks were under pressure and sought for a trailless kill.
3. The ducks have a personal gripe with people who don't contribute much.
4. The ducks just want to give us the impression of one of the above.

I'm thinking no for 2 and 3. They had 24 hours to decide on something and most likely plenty of people to choose from, so I doubt they were under that much pressure. 3 isn't really a smart tactic for them, people who don't talk much can aquire a lot of suspicion so to kill them off wouldn't be overly intelligent. 1 is possible, but it's a scary notion that everything is going exactly as they planned.

Well, it's really quite impossible to know what their thinking, so I think we should maybe just keep Mira in the back of our minds then toMorrow when their is another kill we can compare the two, see if there is some pattern or something, perhaps I'll re-read her's later, though what Lommy found seems to make quite a lot of sense...

For now I need to go run some erands, I'll be back fairly shortly. Perhaps I'll make a list of some sort...

x'posted since my last

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Pages 1 to 3: I find better stuff between my toes.

Durelin: Knows how to attract electrically-charged bloodsucking insects.

(There is nothing wrong with my sentence. Read it again.)

Isabellkya: Is an army officer with rank of Captain. Her surname starts with 'O'. Apparently she idolises Legolas.

Nogrod: Shoots first, then shoots again. A little later he asks a question, and then shoots again before he's answered. Good job, mate.

Nerwen: Owes me a lot of aspirin, paracetamol, or ibuprofen.

Sally: See above comment.

Mnemosyne: See above comment.

Mithalwen:

I'll dissect the rest of you later.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Isabellkya: Is an army officer with rank of Captain. Her surname starts with 'O'. Apparently she idolises Legolas.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Nerwen: Owes me a lot of aspirin, paracetamol, or ibuprofen.

There, there. Here's some paracetemol for da poor widdle head. (Don't have any of the others, sorry.)


EDIT: spelling of "paracetamol" corrected. Quite a hard word to spell.

[Macalaure]

I don't mean to offend anybody nor derail the game, but...

I'm always a bit baffled when someone talks about dreams or anything like that and then ends up killed. I can't think of even one occasion where the dead person actually was the seer. Seers, especially seers who don't have anything to show yet, desire staying alive for a bit. Comments like that interfere with that quite drastically. One would therefore think, that ducks would ignore such comments when looking to kill somebody who actually could be the seer. Only silly or overly paranoid ducks would fall for it and waste a kill on an ordo. Now, we humble ordos pick up these hints during the day and our immediate thought is "the ducks thought s/he was the seer, that was why she was killed", without thinking about what implication this has on the nature of the ducks. Unless we have baddies that are running around like ducks with their head cut off (pause for laughter) those seer hints mean nothing. We might have such ducks, but we won't find real evidence for that until later. It's a nice find, of course, especially since it took some work, but no more.

Seriously, I've seen the above happen in so many games already. Sure, it doesn't do any harm, but hey.

[/rant]

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Miri didn't really contribute anything of value, and that usually leaves four options:
1. The game is going exactly the direction the ducks desire, and she was a kill that wouldn't disturb this.
2. The ducks were under pressure and sought for a trailless kill.
3. The ducks have a personal gripe with people who don't contribute much.
4. The ducks just want to give us the impression of one of the above.

I think 1 is the most likely out of those, but there is also the idea that they just wanted a trailless kill without feeling any pressure. Why try to frame someone when there were already people poised to be lynched on Day 1? Unless they really thought she was a Lover, which she was, then she might have been a good kill. But, other than that, she seemed very trailless.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Could the ducks have seen this a seer hint?

Maybe, but they could have just thought she was a trailless kill, which seems more likely. Because unless she was super lucky with her first dream(did the Seer even get a dream as of yesterDay?) then she wouldn't have known anything other than who was an ordo or such. There are, as it appears, 3 were-ducks and no werebear, as of this Morning, and the odds of picking the right person first off is very slim.

Originally Posted by Nog

Anyone else wondering why there was only one kill last Night?

Yes, and then someone else posted that they were wondering too. I'm more inclinded to think that there isn't a werebear, but that's just me...or the Ranger protected the bear's Night kill. Either one. Well there goes my whole "maybe there isn't one because only, sort of, Mira died".

I agree with Bubbles' statement about the Seer thing.

As for contributions, are we to take seriously the pronouns in the narration? Because, from what I understand then, we might be dealing with one male and two female were-ducks/wolves. I seem to remember in previous games pronouns were not really used, but here they are. Is there any truth in that? Should we be looking for them like that? I know that doesn't narrow things down a lot, but it could.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I'm thinking no for 2 and 3. They had 24 hours to decide on something and most likely plenty of people to choose from, so I doubt they were under that much pressure. 3 isn't really a smart tactic for them, people who don't talk much can aquire a lot of suspicion so to kill them off wouldn't be overly intelligent. 1 is possible, but it's a scary notion that everything is going exactly as they planned.

Um... usually when we talk of wolves being under pressure, we mean they that they think people are onto them, not that they can't make up their minds.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

//begin rant
function antiDreamTheoryRant(evt:rantEvent):void {
if (fedUpWithOtherPlayers = true) {
evt.rant.continueTyping();
} else {
evt.rant.endTyping();
}
}
//end rant

Mac, that's one of the best rants I've heard in a long time! Congratulations!

–Except that sometimes wolves do fall for it, but only when the "Seer" actually names one of them. And this time there was no Night 1 dream before the game started... so if the ducks couldn't work that out...

...come to think of it, maybe they couldn't. I mean... they're only ducks, after all...

Perhaps we should lynch anyone who seems a little, well, featherbrained...?

EDIT: x'd with Lari; clarification.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

What to make out of [Fea's parting words]? Just a joke or something more sinister?

Read joke once. Man sees doctor. Depressed. Life, harsh and cruel. Feels alone. World is threatening. Future is terrifying. Doctor says, "Great clown Pagliacci is in town. See him. He should cheer you up." Man starts crying. Says, "I am Pagliacci."