Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Rikae]

Phantom, I don't see how anyone could have thought you were anything but a cobbler, with all that "I'm so confused! I don't know what's going on!" nonsense. As if you would have admitted it - if it were true, you would have faked it.

Mnemi, you were a known non-gifted, of course you survived!

I can't believe Fea was in on Kath's and my dream picks! Sally, did you know about that (*points to remark about hunting Kath's dream*)? Fea, you must have had me pegged as the black bishop early on, with all my hints to Izzy and Lari, right? What an interesting setup!

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Mnemi, you were a known non-gifted, of course you survived!

Shush! I'm still trying to tell myself it was to my own 1337 skillz!

...Besides, that doesn't make me immune from a lynch... does it?

>_>
<_<

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Shush! I'm still trying to tell myself it was to my own 1337 skillz!

...Besides, that doesn't make me immune from a lynch... does it?

>_>
<_<

Kinda. We had a strategy of trying to get the unknowns lynched.

And it was all going so well until it became clear that Sally wasn't the WQ...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Phantom, I don't see how anyone could have thought you were anything but a cobbler, with all that "I'm so confused! I don't know what's going on!" nonsense. As if you would have admitted it - if it were true, you would have faked it.

Mnemi, you were a known non-gifted, of course you survived!

I can't believe Fea was in on Kath's and my dream picks! Sally, did you know about that (*points to remark about hunting Kath's dream*)? Fea, you must have had me pegged as the black bishop early on, with all my hints to Izzy and Lari, right? What an interesting setup!

Hmmmm. I believe when I said that I was still hunting you, though I did know all Kath's other picks. And nope, hehe, I didn't know about all Fea's mad skills until well after I was dead. I pretty much did one of these....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I can't believe Fea was in on Kath's and my dream picks! Sally, did you know about that (*points to remark about hunting Kath's dream*)? Fea, you must have had me pegged as the black bishop early on, with all my hints to Izzy and Lari, right? What an interesting setup!

Well... Here's how it worked:

I didn't receive the roles, just the names. But that still left me able to make a logic list of who wasn't certain roles. After asking Shasta to make sure nobody knew I was getting the dreams, I was able to narrow it down even more, knowing that the wolves wouldn't dream of themselves. (I asked this because if I was a Seer and knew somebody was getting my dreams, the FIRST thing I'd do was dream of myself. "Ah. Well then. She's not that!")

Anyway, I was able to say definitely, "These people aren't wolves." I'll never doubt myself again, though, about White Seers- I had Kath pegged at post 33 (I think it was 33) and then doubted myself. "Nah, she was just joking."

There was also the problem of attacking the Seers: I didn't want to, because I'd lose all this good information I was getting, and I didn't want to just casually pick off whoever was being dreamed of, because how long could my secret last if the WS spotted all their dreams dying the next Night?

So... What I'm trying to say is basically that my tragic downfall was that on that last eventful Day of my life, I knew that Izzy was the Ranger (but for the wrong reason, interestingly enough), and I knew that Sally was the Hunter (though I had no idea how, and kept reverting to thinking she was the Cobbler, due to knowing both sides had dreamed of her, but neither had done anything about it), and I was pretty sure that the phantom was the Cobbler (though there wasn't a chance I was going to attack him to find out because then I'd lose some of my power, even though I'd gain an ally (BQ attacking the cobbler meant deputizing the cobbler into a Gifted on my side, however I'd no longer have automatic protection against the first time the Wolves tried to kill me at Night))...

The problem was that nobody had dreamed of Brinn or Rikae, so I had no real way to determine which of them was lying. Especially because Rikae didn't contradict anything that I knew was true (apart from voting for Sally, who I knew wasn't a wolf).

So... That last Day? I saw where Sally said she was hunting Kath's last dream, and I knew that Kath's last dream was Rikae, and I couldn't figure out how Sally could possibly know that, since Kath died before she could find out Rikae's role anyway. Which sealed my thought that Sally was - convincingly - lying through her teeth.

But yeah... My plans for everything hinged on Rikae being the WQ, and the wolves killing her at Night. It was interesting that I had all of this Nightly intelligence, and my loss of the game still came down to the two people I couldn't be sure of.

Originally Posted by Sally

And nope, hehe, I didn't know about all Fea's mad skills until well after I was dead. I pretty much did one of these....

Do you know how hard it is for me to play stupid? I had to go through the entire game pretending like I didn't have an ever expanding detailed list of secret information. It was worse than actually being a Seer, because, if I slipped and it was noticed? If I claimed White Seer, the first thing that would happen is I'd be dreamed of, probably by both sides. At least if a real Seer comes out, there are Rangers around for them.

I would also just like to register my incredulity that I was never dreamed of by either side.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The phantom will like this:

There was actually a [short] time when I was going to attack the cobbler.

Because my attack would give me the ability to turn xem into a Seer, Ranger, or Hunter that was on my team... I asked Shasta if I could Queen the Black Pawn.

He said, "I suppose, but I don't see why you would."

So I explained: Turn the BP into a BQ at Night, sacrifice them during the Day, have everybody think that the BQ was dead. Skip a Night kill so that they wouldn't suspect, and then massacre them all unexpectedly later.

And I totally would have attempted it without batting an eyelash if he hadn't told me that he planned on posting the BP death information as something that was along the lines of "Black Queen's Rook." "Dead: Black Queen's Queen" really wouldn't have been that useful...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

My all time favorite quote from the game has to be something Brinn had in her Night PM about raising Phantom's voting power:

"...for the first time in his life, the phantom is actually more important than he thinks he is!"

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I would also just like to register my incredulity that I was never dreamed of by either side.

Well, I promised. Even as a baddie, I have some honor. When it suits me.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, I promised. Even as a baddie, I have some honor. When it suits me.

And I held to my promise that I'd never dream of you. Never said I wouldn't appreciate the effort of somebody else doing the work for me, though.

[Lariren Shadow]

Good game everyone and congratulations Mith!

So I was at least innocent enough for Brinn to triple my voting power...nice. Or it was nothing of the sort and I'm just inflating my own ego with that one. And that now makes sense for the death of Nog.

Fea, did you know I was evil? And I do realize I could just walk over and ask you right now.

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you want smugness from me, let me show you this post I made at the end of Day 2. I correctly name Nog, Kath, and Brin as the three gifteds and I name Izzy, Lari, and Rikae as WereCreatures.

I almost died when I saw that. Literally almost died. And then stopped freaking out so much. Did you guess or what?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Fea, did you know I was evil?

I did once you didn't die properly.



I thought about not killing you after that, since I didn't really have a grudge against you any more, but I thought it would have been a criminal waste of intelligence to let you slip away when I knew you were vulnerable.

Every time I wasn't sure about something, I shrugged and reminded myself that you all had to die eventually anyway.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Good game everyone and congratulations Mith!

Aww it was nothing... really

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lari

I almost died when I saw that. Literally almost died. And then stopped freaking out so much. Did you guess or what?

I had everyone's posts listed next to their names in a notebook, and every time a certain post made me think something (she knows something, she's nervous, she's paranoid, etc.) I would write a note next to the post. I would also mark any time someone said anything about anyone that, upon death, could be seen as a Seer declaration.

Anyway, the three Wolves I listed (Lari, Izzy, Wilwa) I had flagged for seeming to withold info and looking sneaky and Wolfish. I listed Rikae as the WereBear simply because I thought she was gifted, but was leaning evil for her.

Two of my gifteds (Brin and Nog) were there because they had by far the most number of posts where I had written "Gifted?" next to it. Kath hadn't made as many posts, so she didn't have an overwhelming number of checks next to her name, but as she was my prime Seer suspect I listed her as such.

I threw Fea in as an extra Bishop because I figured she was something but at that point I had no idea what (due to the vague clue that I thought she had left "VIP show").

But yeah. When I made that post those were my best guesses at the roles.

Not bad I'd say.

(as a treat for Sal and Duck, I plan on bringing my notebook to show them how insane I am when playing Werewolf- they'll get a kick out of some of the little side-notes that I wrote)