Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the phantom · 02-27-2009, 05:33 PM

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If we lynch Izzy toDay, and Sally is the BK, I'm dead toNight (unless she already protected herself) since she has nothing to fear from me.

Why would she have nothing to fear? Couldn't you kill her with your hunting power? The Knight can't protect from a Hunt, can she?

But anyway, a look at the lynch Sally plan...

It assumes that Kath didn't dream of her. That's my biggest hump to get over. Once past that it looks fine, seeing as you say she's evil. And if she's an extra Hunter she can just kill someone. But you know... hmm... it is a lot to take on faith that we have an extra Hunter. I mean, why the heck would we?

You're right about her seeming to pave the way for a Queen reveal. As a matter of fact, after Brin pegged her as a Seer dream (meaning that the Weres will kill her tonight) and Sally did that eye-pop thing, personally I thought that Sally was indeed the Queen and had just realized that by being the dream she was as good as dead tonight. Surely if she was the Hunter she would prefer that she die as opposed to another innocent, for she could hunt someone as she died. Why have a negative reaction to it?

That does make her look a bit shady.

satansaloser2005 · 02-27-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Why would she have nothing to fear? Couldn't you kill her with your hunting power? The Knight can't protect from a Hunt, can she?

But anyway, a look at the lynch Sally plan...

It assumes that Kath didn't dream of her. That's my biggest hump to get over. Once past that it looks fine, seeing as you say she's evil. And if she's an extra Hunter she can just kill someone. But you know... hmm... it is a lot to take on faith that we have an extra Hunter. I mean, why the heck would we?

You're right about her seeming to pave the way for a Queen reveal. As a matter of fact, after Brin pegged her as a Seer dream (meaning that the Weres will kill her tonight) and Sally did that eye-pop thing, personally I thought that Sally was indeed the Queen and had just realized that by being the dream she was as good as dead tonight. Surely if she was the Hunter she would prefer that she die as opposed to another innocent, for she could hunt someone as she died. Why have a negative reaction to it?

That does make her look a bit shady.

The Knight can protect themself once the whole game, if I'm not mistaken.

I'm not afraid of dying. I'm afraid of dying toDay given recent events. And I eye-popped for reasons I can't say, sorry. Well, I could, but it's redundant now anyway so I won't bother wasting your time.

YesterDay I wanted to attract attention, but not get lynched. Why? I hadn't gotten a pick yet. I'm sure Phantom had guessed that already, and my apologies for being so short with you. I'm always a very frustrated gifted.

I'll tell you who I'm hunting if I'm lynched, and if Izzy is not lynched I will tell you who I plan to set my pick to toNight. (I'm not currently hunting Izzy, and a good thing too since Rikae's on her, but her death will tell me what I need to know for toNight and forward)

An interesting thought occured to me. Since Shasta created another white rook, maybe he created another black one as well? Crap, I hope not.

Really going now. I need some lovely alone time with Les Mis and a bottle of juice and a pile of clothes that need folding.

Mnemosyne · 02-27-2009, 05:39 PM

So, if not sally, whom did Kath dream Night Three?

satansaloser2005 · 02-27-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

So, if not sally, whom did Kath dream Night Three?

She dreamt me Night Three. Thus I know everything that Kath knew up until her death. Unfortunately she was unable to PM me before she was slaughtered, so I don't know the identity of her Night Four dream, only who she dreamt of.

the phantom · 02-27-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mnem

So, if not sally, whom did Kath dream Night Three?

Probably me again. She just can't get me out of her mind.

satansaloser2005 · 02-27-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Probably me again. She just can't get me out of her mind.

Well, at my suggestion....

We both got into our PJs and got on IM, did our nails, and talked about you.

Mnemosyne · 02-27-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by phantom

Probably me again. She just can't get me out of her mind.

Kath, after game this is ON.

...Unless it's unrequited love. Then you're allowed to pine as much as you wish.

satansaloser2005 · 02-27-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Kath, after game this is ON.

...Unless it's unrequited love. Then you're allowed to pine as much as you wish.

Isabellkya · 02-27-2009, 05:55 PM

Why would Shasta create a second White Rook - which was completely and utterly secret?

Why say all of the possible roles in the game, but leave one out - and not even hint about it?

I fail to see it happening. When he already left the role specifics of the White Queen out.

X'd with phantom

Rikae · 02-27-2009, 05:55 PM

Please, no more downer couples. I don't want anyone stealing my thunder on my wedding day. [/bridezilla]

Sally is almost convincing me, which is an impressive feat, considering there is no second hunter in this game!

I'm on Izzy, indeed. Tonight I will hunt her, if she's left alive, unless I decide to hunt somebody else, or be really bold and dream instead... you never know which way I'll go.

If Sally is what she says (and I have to admit, the "I don't lie about my role" thing is very unsporting if she isn't), there are a cobbler, a black rook, and a werebear among these people:

Durelin
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
Mnemosyne

Those are actually fairly good odds.

EDIT: X'd with Phantom and Izzy

Mnemosyne · 02-27-2009, 06:01 PM

Rikae,

Don't forget that anyone dreamed innocent could be a black pawn.

Otherwise, I'm with you.

I know that I'm a White Pawn, but unlike sally I don't expect you to believe me because of me not lying or whatever.

Which would (for me) narrow it down to Fea, Brinn, and Dury.

However, if neither you nor sally are lying, I think that since the baddies all realize what you've just posted up above they're going to try to discredit both of you as much as possible. Including through leaving you alive.

So while I'd be more than willing to lynch one of the three I listed above (especially Fea*) I'm not sure if that's a good long-term strategy.

*what was that facade comment from her earlier?

satansaloser2005 · 02-27-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Please, no more downer couples. I don't want anyone stealing my thunder on my wedding day. [/bridezilla]

Sally is almost convincing me, which is an impressive feat, considering there is no second hunter in this game!

I'm on Izzy, indeed. Tonight I will hunt her, if she's left alive, unless I decide to hunt somebody else, or be really bold and dream instead... you never know which way I'll go.

If Sally is what she says (and I have to admit, the "I don't lie about my role" thing is very unsporting if she isn't), there are a cobbler, a black rook, and a werebear among these people:

Durelin
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
Mnemosyne

Those are actually fairly good odds.

EDIT: X'd with Phantom and Izzy

Exactly. See? We're really not in that much trouble.

I'm normally not this out there as a gifted but I knew if I had any chance of being believe at all I'd have to come on darn strong. From the moment I got my PM from Shasta on Night Two I knew I was going to die, so either I'd get lynched by the village for 'lying about my role' or I'd stay quiet and the wolves would kill me.

The facts. Heh, Phantom style.

I am the White Rook.
I was switched Night Two, after Nerwen's death. And I mean after, as in I got my PM either right at or shortly after deadline. I don't know why it was specifically me that was switched, only that I became Nerwen's replacement.
I then acted as crazy as possible so I would have a better idea who to hunt.
I hunted Brinn, as was obvious by my last posts.
I was dreamed by Kath, who PM'd me twice I believe.
Her dreams from the first two Nights were Phantom and Noggie.
Phantom appeared as a white pawn, Noggie as....well, she didn't say, but we can assume he appeared as White Knight, since that was his role.
I am not saying who she dreamed the last Night, only that it was not Izzy. I do not know the role of this person via Kath's dream because she obviously died before she could hint at it in her first post of the Day.
My current hunt pick is obvious, and I refuse to say it flat out unless I am under extreme duress (or tickling).

Those are the facts. Do with them what you like.

Oh, and I don't want to lynch Izzy. Let Rikae take down the known wolf and I'll hunt another main suspect. Like I said, I'm up for suggestions, though the decision in the end will obviously be my own. We'll kill one of those listed above and Rikae and I will keep you updated on our picks so, if one of us dies, that person is either killed or exonerated.

We can do this, people.

EDIT: I became hunter on night 3, not 2. Sorry, I got the numbering mixed up because for me the game didn't start until day one so my counting was off. Whoops. Thanks for correcting me, Shasta dear.

Rikae · 02-27-2009, 06:09 PM

Phantom, it's the Hunter thing. If she is good, it kind of backfired to say the least, since it's what made me reveal at all.

And I think I was pretty clear in my reveal, you know. I usually go for something a little more entertaining with a reveal, but I was flustered by Sally's hunter business.

Anyway, it may not be a bad idea to lynch one of those four after all. You know where I stand on Izzy, tp and Wilwa; we know what Sally claims to be. The night's events may shed some light on things, and give us a chance, if we have two gifteds, to keep both.

Anyway, out of the four, I get the most innocentish feel from Mnemo. Ah, it just occurred to me (I keep forgetting it) that we don't know the cobbler is among them at all. The werebear, however, definitely is, and if Sally is what she says, a wolf is, too.

EDIT: X'd with all since "winner gets Phantom"

the phantom · 02-27-2009, 05:55 PM

Quick question for Rikae-

So Izzy is the only one you know?

Why couldn't the other baddies be Fea or Dury or Mnem or Brin? Why must we lynch Sally?

Pshhhh... Actually I'm tired of this. All of this reveal stuff was done in a rather tripping way. Not smooth. No proofs presented. A reveal is a hugely important thing. Why not do it like "I am this. This proves it. I did this on this Night. I did it because of this. I recommend doing this. Etc." Lay down the law, you know. Good Wizard TP style, or Boro Seer style. Instead the reveals and conversations surrounding them resulted in mass confusion. I'm still not sure I understand precisely where Sally and Rikae stand on everything. And why wouldn't they bare their souls at this point?

*grumbles*

I almost want to start a lynching effort against someone with nothing to do with any of this nonsense just to protest.

But I suppose that wouldn't help anything in the long run. Whatever. Now I'm rather looking forward to dying tonight. But if Sally and Rikae are both still alive then they'll probably bump off those two and leave me be. I'd almost be willing to lynch one of them just so I can be done tonight.

the phantom · 02-27-2009, 05:56 PM

Wow. First game on the site and Mnem is already wishing to fight someone.

Should we set up a cage and place bets?

Winner gets Phantom?

Mnemosyne · 02-27-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Wow. First game on the site and Mnem is already wishing to fight someone.

Should we set up a cage and place bets?

Winner gets Phantom?

phantom, sweetheart, that's not how girls fight. That's just a Hollywood fabrication to bring males into otherwise boring chickflicks.

the phantom · 02-27-2009, 06:06 PM

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phantom, sweetheart, that's not how girls fight. That's just a Hollywood fabrication to bring males into otherwise boring chickflicks.

Don't you take away my dreams! It's a free country! I have a right to believe in what I want!

02-27-2009, 05:39 PM	#3
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	So, if not sally, whom did Kath dream Night Three? __________________ Got corsets?

02-27-2009, 05:55 PM	#9
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Why would Shasta create a second White Rook - which was completely and utterly secret? Why say all of the possible roles in the game, but leave one out - and not even hint about it? I fail to see it happening. When he already left the role specifics of the White Queen out. X'd with phantom __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

02-27-2009, 06:01 PM	#11
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Rikae, Don't forget that anyone dreamed innocent could be a black pawn. Otherwise, I'm with you. I know that I'm a White Pawn, but unlike sally I don't expect you to believe me because of me not lying or whatever. Which would (for me) narrow it down to Fea, Brinn, and Dury. However, if neither you nor sally are lying, I think that since the baddies all realize what you've just posted up above they're going to try to discredit both of you as much as possible. Including through leaving you alive. So while I'd be more than willing to lynch one of the three I listed above (especially Fea) I'm not sure if that's a good long-term strategy. what was that facade comment from her earlier? __________________ Got corsets?

02-27-2009, 05:55 PM	#14
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Quick question for Rikae- So Izzy is the only one you know? Why couldn't the other baddies be Fea or Dury or Mnem or Brin? Why must we lynch Sally? Pshhhh... Actually I'm tired of this. All of this reveal stuff was done in a rather tripping way. Not smooth. No proofs presented. A reveal is a hugely important thing. Why not do it like "I am this. This proves it. I did this on this Night. I did it because of this. I recommend doing this. Etc." Lay down the law, you know. Good Wizard TP style, or Boro Seer style. Instead the reveals and conversations surrounding them resulted in mass confusion. I'm still not sure I understand precisely where Sally and Rikae stand on everything. And why wouldn't they bare their souls at this point? grumbles I almost want to start a lynching effort against someone with nothing to do with any of this nonsense just to protest. But I suppose that wouldn't help anything in the long run. Whatever. Now I'm rather looking forward to dying tonight. But if Sally and Rikae are both still alive then they'll probably bump off those two and leave me be. I'd almost be willing to lynch one of them just so I can be done tonight. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

02-27-2009, 05:56 PM	#15
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Wow. First game on the site and Mnem is already wishing to fight someone. Should we set up a cage and place bets? Winner gets Phantom? __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

02-27-2009, 05:55 PM	#10
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Please, no more downer couples. I don't want anyone stealing my thunder on my wedding day. [/bridezilla] Sally is almost convincing me, which is an impressive feat, considering there is no second hunter in this game! I'm on Izzy, indeed. Tonight I will hunt her, if she's left alive, unless I decide to hunt somebody else, or be really bold and dream instead... you never know which way I'll go. If Sally is what she says (and I have to admit, the "I don't lie about my role" thing is very unsporting if she isn't), there are a cobbler, a black rook, and a werebear among these people: Durelin Feanor of the Peredhil Brinniel Mnemosyne Those are actually fairly good odds. EDIT: X'd with Phantom and Izzy

02-27-2009, 06:09 PM	#13
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Phantom, it's the Hunter thing. If she is good, it kind of backfired to say the least, since it's what made me reveal at all. And I think I was pretty clear in my reveal, you know. I usually go for something a little more entertaining with a reveal, but I was flustered by Sally's hunter business. Anyway, it may not be a bad idea to lynch one of those four after all. You know where I stand on Izzy, tp and Wilwa; we know what Sally claims to be. The night's events may shed some light on things, and give us a chance, if we have two gifteds, to keep both. Anyway, out of the four, I get the most innocentish feel from Mnemo. Ah, it just occurred to me (I keep forgetting it) that we don't know the cobbler is among them at all. The werebear, however, definitely is, and if Sally is what she says, a wolf is, too. EDIT: X'd with all since "winner gets Phantom"