Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Hansy]

Double fail for me... Mira was innocent, and Nogrod was the ranger. Probably it's better for everyone if I stick with other people's suspicions, since mine are downright disastrous.

I'll try to work something out from the voting yesterday, at least... seems it's been figured why Nogrod was lynched instead of Izzy.
(also, it's two days in a row that people go voting who I did after I go to bed... it happened with Fea, then again with Nogrod. Weird, at least )

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Hansy

Double fail for me... Mira was innocent, and Nogrod was the ranger. Probably it's better for everyone if I stick with other people's suspicions, since mine are downright disastrous.

I'll try to work something out from the voting yesterday, at least... seems it's been figured why Nogrod was lynched instead of Izzy.
(also, it's two days in a row that people go voting who I did after I go to bed... it happened with Fea, then again with Nogrod. Weird, at least )

Nothing's really been figured out. We have speculation and theories, but Shasta's confirmed nothing and, if anything, the revelation that Gwath was in fact lynched randomly detracts from the theory that has been presented. Well, unless you go with my theory (which I'll get to in a bit) which works perfectly. But something tells me you won't like that one. Heh.

Just because your suspicions aren't right doesn't mean you should stop trying. Give us a list or something, just flesh out what you're thinking a bit more, and I'm sure you'll be fine.

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

The other thing is that apparently the Queen got blocked. Now, given previous narrations, I think it's safe to say that there's more going on in this game than we had reckoned.

But if the not-dead person was indeed a Black Knight save, that implies that whoever it was was evil. And since the Knight can't protect two days in a row...

So this might be naive to say, but does it really imply that whoever didn't die is therefore evil? Yes it would make more sense for the Black Knight to be protecting the other baddies, but what if xe wasn't? I know its far fetched and such, but it is slightly possible. I have no idea why xe would do it. Maybe the other wolves thought they were safe enough for a Night? Not sure, but there is no assuming there that I can see. In my twisted logic that is.

This is also discounting what others have said about the WQ having the ability to save someone. If that were the case than maybe whoever was the target looked innocent enough to the WQ to save.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I know I'm a bit thick but go with me on this one. Day One it was a tie between Gwath and Fea. Brinn put in her vote for Gwath at the last minute, and Gwath was the unfortunate loser of the tie. (What if it really wasn't a tie?) Day Two Izzy was technically ahead, but Brinn put in her vote for Noggie and he somehow managed to perish. (What if she pushed the vote into a tie?) I'm just saying. Shasta didn't mention a tie on the second Day, but if that's the case he wouldn't anyway, since it's a secret role.

Does that make sense to anyone else? Or should I don a white straitjacket and take Hunter to the happy home to post for the rest of the Day?

Brinn's vote was the tie on Day 1. She was the second Nog voter before he even really looked like a lynch.

What is more interesting about yesterDay's vote is that I think Izzy's retraction and vote for Nog counted but not Sally's. They were both at the same time and Izzy's put her and Nog at the tie.

If we do think the WQ get's an extra vote or something here are who voted for Nog:
Hansy
Brinn
the phantom
Izzy in a retaction.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Some people may appear on multiple lists, some may appear on none.

Werecreatures
Brinn
Fea
Hansy
Durie (just a hunch, though I know she's been gone so I won't lynch her now)

Spefically the Black Queen
Brinn
Hansy

Hiding in the dark corners (could go either way)
Mnemo
Kath


Probably innocent, at least for now
Izzy
Rikae (What? Inconceivable!)
Phantom
Steve (pity the sick man if nothing else)

Definitely innocent in my book
Sally
Shasta
Mith
Legate
Nilp
Lommie
Agan
Greenie

Am I such an enigma that I'm not on?


Brinn I did like your theories in this post as well. They did make sense and sort of go with my whole thoughts about not knowing really who the Black Knight protected

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I think Sally was talking about her computer. Yes, apparently she has a name for her computer. Though strange that of all names, it is called Hunter...

My old computer was named Denethor. I wonder what that says about me...

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Which gives me something new to think about: how does the BQ choose xer kills? I hate having roles that are hard to trace. You can find a seer, and you can say confidently, "this person isn't this role" about ones with specific constraints, but I loathe not knowing the level of vulnerability of bad guys, and the details of the good guys. I know the WQ is on our side, or she wouldn't be labeled WQ, but what if she's kind of like the BQ in that she's definitely opposed to the contrasting side, but isn't necessarily on the side of the rest of the Whites? What if there are two werebear-type characters in play, both of whom are attempting to be the last player standing?

I agree with most of the post and think that this sums up what I think. We don't know what happened with either yesterDay's lynch or how the BQ's kill was stopped last Night. It was blocked but we're not sure if it was the doing of the WQ or the Black Knight.

Mira was also an interesting Night kill. Not going to lie I was expecting to find either Fea, the phantom, or Sally dead toDay. It makes me need to reevaluate some players.

Oh and special vote:

++Agan

Edit: x-posted since 395...the site stopped working on me.

[satansaloser2005]

For Lari:


Heh I did say some people wouldn't be on it. And yes, you are an enigma.



I asked Shasta, and my vote did indeed count. Everyone's counted, is what he told me, though that's all he told me, the little son of a mother. Don't worry, that was my first thought too, but it is not in fact the case.


I'm always worried when Phantom, Fea, and such other crazy kids are around (Rikae too, and I just realized I've been completely ignoring the poor girl). I want to know why they haven't been targeted by either the black team or the Queen herself, since they obviously can't all be the Queen, and all of them couldn't have been 'saved' last Night even if they were evil. Very interesting to point out. Of course I'm surprised I'm not dead too, but the baddies usually keep me around and hope I get myself lynched for no good reason so I'm less surprised that I'm around than I am about the others. *shrug* Maybe they just think I'm cute?

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Sally

Honey you couldn't be more wrong. Stop being such a pessimist and think on the bright side. Both Phantom and I are still here.

Now that seems like a non-sequitur.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Now that seems like a non-sequitur.

Heh. Just call me Chekhov, love.


Oh, and I'm analyzing you currently, so stop posting so I don't keep falling behind.

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I asked Shasta, and my vote did indeed count. Everyone's counted, is what he told me, though that's all he told me, the little son of a mother. Don't worry, that was my first thought too, but it is not in fact the case.

Now that is interesting because then Izzy did get the most votes. Which means the theory that the WQ might get more votes or more power is there. Maybe the WQ gets to switch the players around, so to speak. Like maybe xe thought that Nog was more guilty than Izzy so, since Nog was in second, got to have Nog lynched over Izzy for the good of the village. Which might mean that, since the BQ was blocked last Night, and possibly wanted to take out Izzy, that Izzy could have been protected by the Black Knight.

All this means is that I'm beginning to think Izzy more guilty than not. I mean, the Black Knight could have protected her out of some selflish foolish reason, but now that I think that more over its more likely that's not the case.

Edit: x-posted with Dury and Sally.

[Rikae]

Usually when the loudmouth attention hogs stay alive, it means they're either completely off track, or there is a baddie hiding among them. Which doesn't really make sense, since I think Fea and tp (particularly tp) look innocent, and I'm sure that I, at least, am not entirely on the wrong track.

The only reasonable explanation is that I'm evil.
++Rikae


Durie, you mean Sally's the cobbler? Why so?

By the way, Hansy's post above strikes me as way too apologetic-newbie-card-trying-to-look-innocent-ish. Reeks of it. He's not new to the game, and if Shasta knew it, it might have amused him to make Hansy evil and have everyone give him a free "newbie pass" for half the game. *grumbles*

I'll try to come back with some actual analysis at some point.

EDIT: X'd with everything since the Sally post I was responding to (about me, tp and Fea being alive).

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Durie, you mean Sally's the cobbler? Why so?

*shrug* She's confusing me, so maybe?

Speaking of vote counting, could someone's vote have counted as two?

Another post for you, Sally!

[Durelin]

Oh, I see that double-vote idea's already been put forward.

I could see switching my vote to Izzy...

[Isabellkya]

I am here, and I'm going to finish my lunch while I read what I've missed.

++Mr Bombadil! He is real to some people.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Gandalf was always a manipulative goody-goody (at least, good is his façade) egotist. It is hardly surprising that he treat many of us as pawns just as quickly and without remorse as Sauron would.

There will most certainly be blood and guts (I certainly hope so, anyway). My only advice to everyone at this point: let the wookie win.

Heh. Quite funny indeed. I totally read that as 'let the rookie win' though, and was about to make a huge analysis on it when I realized I just can't read. Blah.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Nay, nay, a Jedi Knight of Many Colours!

Hehe!

Originally Posted by Durelin

I'm afraid I have a party to go to, so I will be posting and running here... I will be around more after toDay, promise. Unless something goes terribly wrong. I'm a realist.

And of course Han shot first - I don't get why the heck it matters. All it proves is that he's quicker to the draw and Greedo isn't that horrible of a shot.

Anyway...there's already a few people I'd like to get rid of just for the sake of being rid of them, but part of my beef with werewolf is when people simply play favorites...so I'm going to go for as random as possible here.

++Sally

Just looking at who has posted, anyway, I picked out her on some sort of gut-reaction thing. The typical excuse. It's like pleading the 5th...my stomach told me to do it!

Really I quite enjoy your presence, my dear, but...

See you all tomorrow...quite sorry, I really will have more time (if y'all will let me...) after this. Today I happen to have basically none.

Edit: Fea, I have a feeling you and I will be getting along better in this game...I came so close to voting one of the newbies for the sake of it...hmm, perhaps that means you are evil this time (though I didn't actuallly think you were at least by the end of that fateful day for me...but I'll shush, no relevance here).

So I was a random vote. Well, semi-random anyway. Okay by me. I'm not dead and the village isn't down yet another innocent so I'm cool with it.

Interesting dialogue with/about Fea, though. I'd love to look into their interactions more if I get a chance.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Man, poor Gwath...how many early lynches is that for him?

I love how the two lynchee possibilities were Fea and Fea's secondary attacker rather than her initial attacker. I guess because people are still obsessed with the bandwagon concept? I don't know.

Brinniel, as far as I can tell, did a 180 from voting Fea and to voting Gwath at the last minute.

And I love how Hansy summed up the whole thing.

But you know what, I have no desire to talk about that much more, because it normally ends up to be just a distracting mess. But on the other hand, I wouldn't mind seeing Fea gone at all. I get very sick of people saving one another at the loss of someone else simply because they like someone more. It only proves further that any sort of democratic system is a mindless popularity contest.

*shakes fist at the system*

Too bloody many. Yet again, I am upset that he was lynched, because he seemed really innocent to me, but unfortunately there's nothing I can do about it now.

As I said before I find Brinn's vote suspicious as well, and I find it interesting the way she reacts to the voting. I'll agree; too many times if it's a tie between two people some of us just vote to save our friends, and it's a horrible werewolf strategy.

Originally Posted by Durelin

tp - But I also don't recall you having any true suspicion of Gwath, so I guess you're just saying you felt you had a better read on her being innocent than on Gwath being so?

Either way I say vote for who you think is guilty. Kay, peoples? (So yesterDay I voted for someone I did not think guilty, but I did not think anyone guilty as it was an early vote and I admit I had not had the chance to read any of the thread since I had earlier posted.)

Also, if we goodly people do that, then the baddies have to follow our lead and vote for someone "they think is guilty". They have to try to make cases and things like that, rather than just make friends by saying "oh I think this poor soul up for lynch here is innocent, so I am going to save them!"

End of useless blather. Guess I'll start actually following what I preach later and talk about someone guilty.

I agree on this theory, although....erm, she voted me kind of out of the blue. Random and slightly hypocritical much? Then again I know she had internet trouble so I don't feel bad about letting it slide.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Okay, here is what I was typing up yesterDay to post when my *insert expletives here* internet died on me...

So, here are some random suspicion lists I came up with while showering:

Possible Baddies:
Lariren - Seems generally defensive
the phantom - I think he's being subtly bold. Kath said "he's too laid back, too not involved to be something important" and that's basically why I suspect him a bit. I think the manipulating will come when it needs to, and otherwise he's playing it cool. But what does that mean? Not sure.
Izzy -
Mnemosyne - She seems like the perfect grizzly. I have no idea why.

In the middle leaning towards baddie:
Brinniel
Eonwe
Mirandir

Probable Innocents:
Fea - I think.
Kath - She is the same Kath as always, whether good or bad, except a little flippant, so I think she's good.
Nogrod - As Fea described him as "obsessive," I think he's innocent. I think he plays it more smoothly and less on emotion when bad. Though actually I think he would be a good cobbler candidate.

Have no idea:
Sally
wilwa
Hansy

So yeah. I echo Fea. Nogrod?! And phantom, I have never seen more of a BS explanation for a vote.

Remember how I said the manipulating would come? Well look what happened yesterDay!

++the phantom

Even if I'm wrong, and he's not a werecreature, he deserves it for all this saving people nonsense.

I guess I wouldn't mind seeing Sally go at this point, either, but I like her more. And (fiiine, I'll give a legitimate reason here) I feel more certain at this point about phantom.

I have to go to class soon so I will explain/argue more my points about phantom later, promise. Hopefully not too much later.

If he's saving another innocent I don't see the problem with it. I'm just saying. Although yeah, it did/does look suspect. But dude. It's Phantom.

Yay! She likes me!

I think her list leaves a bit to be desired, in that many of the people she has in the suspicious categories seem very clean to me. I guess really all that means is that one of us is very wrong. Heh hope it's not me.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Sally is acting really weird (just went over toDay's posts more), but I am always more inclined to lean towards the sneakier seeming person (and I mean, it's Sally...acting weird....). I think she can keep it cool when she wants to, regardless of how boundless her insanity is.

Brinniel I have no idea.

And I don't want to focus just on them, because that's stupid.

I'm mostly going to focus on phantom. I can only hope he doesn't enjoy it too much.

I'm always like this, silly. And if I'm acting crazy you know it's for a reason. The reason I'm commenting on this post (again) is to say that you should keep in mind, the sneakier seeming person is not always the evil one. I'm sneaky but not evil. I think Brinn's evil and not too sneaky.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Oh. I forgot there was a cobbler in this game.

Covered this. Moving on.....

Originally Posted by Durelin

Oh, hey. So Sally's the Black Rook and was attacked by the Werebear last night and was protected by phantom the Black Knight (*points to arrow icon*)? Cause then she's a goner soon anyway.

Or she's the cobbler.

And again....so wrong. If I was doing that I'd be trying to get an innocent lynched toDay rather than myself and buy my packmates as much time as possible. I'm a team player, and I don't give up without a fight, so if I was evil I'd be trying to get some poor innocent fool killed, not try to actually catch a baddie as I'm doing now.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Now that seems like a non-sequitur.

Hun, my life is a non-sequitor.



Wow. I feel like most of this post has been defending myself, which is rubbish because I'm innocent. In short I know Durie suspects me and she's a tad hung up on me and Phantom but for now she isn't posing a threat to the village at large so I'm not terribly suspicious of her.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

So this might be naive to say, but does it really imply that whoever didn't die is therefore evil? Yes it would make more sense for the Black Knight to be protecting the other baddies, but what if xe wasn't? I know its far fetched and such, but it is slightly possible. I have no idea why xe would do it. Maybe the other wolves thought they were safe enough for a Night? Not sure, but there is no assuming there that I can see. In my twisted logic that is.

This is possible, and in that case I would suspect that it was who they thought was the Black Pawn (cobbler), but maybe they just have another use for someone in the Day.

With all the WQ stuff, my new crazy is that maybe the xe gets to choose who gets lynched in the Day the Night before. You never know.


*Still reading this page (11)*

edit: ah, and maybe the WQ only gets to do this for every other Night.

edit 2: x-ed with Sally