Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Mnemosyne]

My reaction to the end of yesterDay:

...the Utumno?!?

[Mnemosyne]

The other thing is that apparently the Queen got blocked. Now, given previous narrations, I think it's safe to say that there's more going on in this game than we had reckoned.

But if the not-dead person was indeed a Black Knight save, that implies that whoever it was was evil. And since the Knight can't protect two days in a row...

Of course, that's too much for an innocent to hope for. I think it's still in the Queen's interest to keep those wolves around for a little while longer.

And yesterDay's lynch... my brain STILL hurts. No theories, of course; would love to see what others have to say.

Even though it appears that the cards are against us, we still need to do our best to catch those under Sauron's control, no matter what. Some speculation is good, especially because it says much about the speculators; but ultimately I can't let it distract me from attempting to sniff out WW's.

Also, Izzy, how does it feel to be alive?

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so....yesterDay's lynch, eh? *eye twitches* Very interesting.

To business, though, if only briefly. A vote count for you lovely people, fully updated.



Day One Votes

Kath-->Nerwen at 6:36am
Fea-->Hansy at 4:37pm
Durie-->Sally at 4:39pm
Steve-->Gwath at 4:55pm
Eomer-->Sally at 6:18pm
Rikae-->Steve at 9:26pm
Hansy-->Fea at 9:45pm
Lari-->Nog at 10:17pm
Nog-->Fea at 10:25pm
Willa-->Steve at 10:36pm
Gwath-->Fea at 10:41pm
Izzy-->Gwath at 11:37pm
Sally-->Fea at 11:56pm
Mnemo-->Steve at 11:58pm
Phantom-->Gwath at 11:58pm
Brinn-->Gwath at 11:59pm

Did not vote: Mira



Day Two Votes

Willa-->Mnemo at 4:33pm
Noggie-->Izzy at 6:10pm
Kath-->Izzy at 7:21pm
Hansy-->Noggie at 7:31pm
Rikae-->Izzy at 7:50pm
Fea-->Izzy at 10:15pm
Lari-->Hansy at 10:50pm
Mnemo-->Kath at 11:53pm
Izzy-->Sally at 11:55pm
Sally-->Hansy at 11:57pm
Mira-->Mnemo at 11:58pm
Brinn-->Noggie at 11:58pm
Phantom-->Noggie at 11:59pm
Izzy-->Noggie at 12:00am

retraction of Izzy-->Sally at 11:55pm

Sally-->Izzy at 12:00am

retraction of Sally-->Hansy at 11:57pm

Did not vote: Durie, Steve

[Lariren Shadow]

In an attempt to say that I really don't think, looking at things, that the WQ gets two votes but could subsitute the second place lynch for the first here's my facts to back it up. Day 1 was a tie and here are the votes for those tied:

Day 1 votes for Gwath:
Steve
Izzy
the phantom
Brinn

Day 1 votes for Fea:
Hansy
Nog
Gwath
Sally

So by reason these people should all have one vote because it was a tie. Randomly chosen.

Day 2 votes for Nog:
Hansy
Brinn
the phantom
Izzy

None of those people could have two votes. Hansy voted for Fea Day 1 and if he was the WQ then Fea would have died then. While Brinn and the phantom both voted for the lynchee on both Days, I still don't think that either of them has a double vote. Whether or not they are more than they seem is left to be seen. I'm more inclinded to think the phantom is innocent over Brinn though. I don't think Izzy is at all the WQ so there's nothing to say about her.

Edit: x-posted with Dury and Izzy.

[Mnemosyne]

Excellent thinking, Lari!

phantom did mention that the whole "double vote" thing could have other stipulations on it, but now that we've gotten it confirmed that Day One was indeed a tie I'm inclined to think that the "double vote" was just a theory put out there which we've been focusing on entirely too much.

Which makes phantom look even more suspicious to me, as he had to know that this theory would not be the first one that would spring to people's minds.

In response to your "how do we know it implies?" comment: that's why I said "implies." Implies means you can make a logical conclusion that it is so, not that it is so. I have no clue why the baddies would diverge from a rational pattern of protecting themselves, but it's still a distinct possibility.

No, onto Rikae's point about Izzy: I'm still not treating Izzy as an innocent. I'm decidedly neutral about her. But I do still find it odd that she got four early, non-bandwaggony-looking votes that were never gainsaid.

Maybe I should just get off my Izzy-voter high horse; it looks as if no one's taking me up on it. Maybe I'm just crazy...

Won't have time to look into anyone in any great detail until a couple of hours from now.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lari

None of those people could have two votes.

Yes, they could've. If it's a power that can only be used once.

Or perhaps there is someone whose vote doesn't count at all.

Or maybe the WQ can, on one day, wave off the top lynch candidate.

Or perhaps the WQ is immune to the lynch. Or to one single lynch. Or immune till she auto-dies at a preset time- Shasta: "You are the WQ. You cannot be killed, but will exit the game automatically after Day 4."

There are quite a few possibilities, and only one chess piece knows the truth of it.

[satansaloser2005]

What if the White Queen can say "hey, this person's vote doesn't count"? I would suspect, in that case, it is a day-to-day pick of who doesn't count, and thus they can protect whoever they think their target will be going after. It's just another thought to throw into the pile.


I forgot to add that, conversely, they could choose someone's vote to count twice on a given Day.

[Mnemosyne]

Can we just shut up about any special voting powers the WQ may or may not have and start suspecting already?

...Yeah, I'm no longer torn.

phantom, the longer you keep this up the worse you look.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Mnem

I'm torn. On the one hand I want people to analyze so I can analyze their analysis. On the other hand I'm afraid this is going to keep us from our actual job, if not help the wolfiekinses (in case they're not all Gifted by Divine Grace with Brilliance and Intellectual Superiority like phantom).

Perhaps when I and others do analysis and offer possibilities and such, we're well aware that the WereBeasts are reading them and looking for ideas, and perhaps we're not saying everything we think and/or know in order to mislead them.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Ok, just woke up here , bear with me - but why on earth is everyone suddenly treating Izzy as if she is some sort of known innocent? We don't even know why she wasn't lynched, and the person lynched in her stead was the ranger, and yet you all assume she's good? Did I miss something?

Of course Izzy is innocent. Pure as the wind-driven snow. She was left alive for us to lynch. And that conclusion is based upon an indisputable undeniable fact- the fact that I'm completely guessing and could be wrong. But let's pretend like I'm right.

Originally Posted by tp

There's Fea, me... um, Fea, and.... me. And Fea of course. A regular VIP show right there, wouldn't you say, m'dear?

Originally Posted by Fea

You trouble maker.

Oh, but you love me, don't you?

Originally Posted by Fea

Why does everybody always kill Nogrod?

I'm almost certain it wasn't everybody.

And we kinda sorta didn't kill him either. The lynch was wacky.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Oh, but you love me, don't you?

I do. More than the wolves, I'm reasonably sure anyway...

I've been watching the goings on while doing my illustration homework and I'd merely like to point out that the only two people who said anything at all interesting made me laugh at the contradictory nature of what they said, but I'd much rather not discuss it openly.

Instead, I shall make a List.

We shouldn't kill:

the phantom, wilwa, Lari, Durelin

We should let convalesce a bit more:

Steve

We should force more participation out of:

Kath, Hansy

We should lynch one of the following:

Izzy, Brinniel, Sally, Rikae, Mnemo

[Hansy]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Day 1 votes for Gwath:
Steve
Izzy
the phantom
Brinn

Day 2 votes for Nog:
Hansy
Brinn
the phantom
Izzy

Wow, just look at what those two lynches have in common... I think we may be up to something here.

(those red votes, what is a cameo?!)

[Isabellkya]

It definitely looks as if someone was protected during the night, though I don't think there is any certainty as to whom did the protecting. At first glance, to me it looks like the BK is the one responsible. Though with not knowing what the WQ is capable of; there is no ruling xer out.

I was thinking that maybe the WQ has something akin to an anonymous vote(s). Where during the night, they tell Shasta whom they want to place a vote(s) on the next Day. So, essentially they get to vote for more than one person each Day. It could explain it - rather than their own vote counting for more than one; which doesn't look like it quite fits. Though, if it were the case of an anonymous vote(s) deal; the first Day, they didn't place it for Gwath or Fea. But looks like they could've voted for Nog. Explaining why he was lynched over myself.

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Of course, that's too much for an innocent to hope for. I think it's still in the Queen's interest to keep those wolves around for a little while longer.

I disagree. The only interest involved for the BQ to keep the wolves around longer - is the wolves.
We have 13 players alive; 6 of which are ordos, and 7 which are "special".
Which brings us to 8 innocents : 5 baddies.
So I think we are dealing with a pretty slim margin, with room for very little error.

Originally Posted by Brin

An interesting thought. Though, what does that imply? That Sauron is not only controlling the game but is in it as well? Bah, at this point I'm feeling like anything is possible...

I am beginning to agree with what I believe Mnemosyne and probably another said - that we can't seem to gain a certainty of understanding of what goes on behind the scenes and in front of us, based on the plots.
I keep forgetting that overall it is a chess game, rather than just plots. Rereading the other plots made this clear. That even if the save was due to the WQ - Shasta would mention either Sauron or Gandalf; since they are the players.

Originally Posted by Lariren

So this might be naive to say, but does it really imply that whoever didn't die is therefore evil? Yes it would make more sense for the Black Knight to be protecting the other baddies, but what if xe wasn't? I know its far fetched and such, but it is slightly possible. I have no idea why xe would do it. Maybe the other wolves thought they were safe enough for a Night? Not sure, but there is no assuming there that I can see. In my twisted logic that is.

I don't think there is an implication of whom got saved. Just that the BQ was robbed of her kill by either the BK, or the WQ if xe has protecting powers.
If it was because of the BK, I see no reason why they would be protecting someone other than whom is on their team. I suppose I could see them branching out and protecting the BP, but I think it a less likely possibility. Unless they were certain of the BP and whom the BP was helping out/working for.
In the case of the WQ, they could've been protecting a baddie, or an innocent. If xe has protecting powers. Again, I think the only certain thing - is that the BQ did not get to kill someone last Night.

My computer goes by the name of Huey.

Now, that I've caught up. I will go analyzing some people and possibly make a list of where people lie in my mind.

[satansaloser2005]

Day One Votes

Kath-->Nerwen at 6:36am
Fea-->Hansy at 4:37pm
Durie-->Sally at 4:39pm
Steve-->Gwath at 4:55pm
Eomer-->Sally at 6:18pm
Rikae-->Steve at 9:26pm
Hansy-->Fea at 9:45pm
Lari-->Nog at 10:17pm
Nog-->Fea at 10:25pm
Willa-->Steve at 10:36pm
Gwath-->Fea at 10:41pm
Izzy-->Gwath at 11:37pm
Sally-->Fea at 11:56pm
Mnemo-->Steve at 11:58pm
Phantom-->Gwath at 11:58pm
Brinn-->Gwath at 11:59pm

Did not vote: Mira



Day Two Votes

Willa-->Mnemo at 4:33pm
Noggie-->Izzy at 6:10pm
Kath-->Izzy at 7:21pm
Hansy-->Noggie at 7:31pm
Rikae-->Izzy at 7:50pm
Fea-->Izzy at 10:15pm
Lari-->Hansy at 10:50pm
Mnemo-->Kath at 11:53pm
Izzy-->Sally at 11:55pm
Sally-->Hansy at 11:57pm
Mira-->Mnemo at 11:58pm
Brinn-->Noggie at 11:58pm
Phantom-->Noggie at 11:59pm
Izzy-->Noggie at 12:00am

retraction of Izzy-->Sally at 11:55pm

Sally-->Izzy at 12:00am

retraction of Sally-->Hansy at 11:57pm

Did not vote: Durie, Steve



Day Three Votes
Durie-->Phantom at 12:14pm
Willa-->Sally at 5:43pm
Steve-->Sally at 5:47pm
Kath-->Hansy at 7:42pm
Fea-->Izzy at 9:27pm
Sally-->Hansy at 10:02pm
Rikae-->Izzy at 10:15pm
Hansy-->Phantom at 10:19pm
Lari-->Hansy at 11:39pm
Mnemo-->Hansy at 11:54pm
Brinn-->Izzy at 11:57pm
Phantom-->Hansy at 11:58pm
Hansy-->Sally at 11:59pm

retraction of Hansy-->Phantom at 10:19pm

Izzy-->Sally at 12:00am


By the way, I'm not taking for granted Phantom's innocence nor even my own, though we're both innocent. I only put someone as known if they're dead or flat out revealed. Thanks for listening.

[satansaloser2005]

Blah. I'm with Phantom on this; I need some sleep.

I'll be busy most of the rest of the Day, at least in theory. So if I'm not around until a few hours before deadline it's because I'm at work. (I currently don't know if they'll need me to come in or not, and won't know until shortly before I would leave anyway.) Just wanted to give you all a heads up and stuff.


Good night, dear ones. Post lots and lots while Silly Sally sleeps!

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by phantom

You don't realize what you've done, Brin.

But you will soon enough.

Yeah, apparently I don't.

But of course analysing the seer is obviously evil.

Kath left a clear trail to her dreams in case she was killed, and if anyone disagrees with my conclusions, feel free to point out another possibilities. It's late and I might have missed something.

Anyway, I can't see anything wrong with discussing Kath's possible dreams. Someone was going to analyse it if not me, and even if no one did, players would still reach these conclusions on their own. Yeah, it makes both tp and Sally great target for toNight (unless the baddies think one of you is the cobbler), but at this point it's better to have some known innocents around since it'll increase our chances of finding a baddie. Plus, if both black teams are still alive toNight, there's a chance that they'll choose the same kill resulting in only one kill for the Night.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Brin

But of course analysing the seer is obviously evil.

No, no, I wasn't trying to say that. You didn't do anything wrong. It was kinda unavoidable. But Sally's reaction makes me think that she didn't see it coming.

Originally Posted by Brin

Kath left a clear trail to her dreams in case she was killed, and if anyone disagrees with my conclusions, feel free to point out another possibilities. It's late and I might have missed something.

Looks fine to me.

[the phantom]

Youtube is great.

Don't you agree?

Enjoy!

Nighty-night.

[Brinniel]

Okay phantom. I'm afraid now you're just confusing me...

I actually wrote up a lengthy post to analyse Lari, but it ended up being mostly lengthy quotes from her and no conclusions from me, so I don't think I'll bother to actually post it. I will say that her posts were rather safe and she once again played the newbie card (I guess we'll have to look out for that in the future). She voted for all known innocents (twice for Hansy), which doesn't help us much. I am quite relieved she is dead, not only because she was evil, but also because I don't think I would've ever figured her out otherwise. Lari seemed to be under a lot of people's radars, some slightly suspecting her, but not enough to actually really have a look at her (except for Izzy who did so late in the Day). Her lingering presence and vote could've been quite dangerous. Of course, there's a good chance there are more baddies who have managed to keep under the radar, so it'd be a good idea to have a look at them.

I also wanted to check out Eonwe's posts, but it's getting late so it'll have to wait for later...unless someone else beats me to it.

I need to have a closer look at everyone, and with less players it should be easier for me to do without taking too much time. As of now, one player that does stick out to me is Fea who I think garners some attention. One thing I noticed looking back through the game is how strange it was that she nearly got lynched on Day 1, then in the following Days received almost no suspicion at all. Of anything else, I find that most alarming. I think I'll take a closer look at her posts come tomorrow as I have a strong hunch that she is a baddie of some sort.

I also said I would look at wilwa, which I will, though I feel less sure about her. The main problem I have with wilwa is that she feels so innocent, that I worry I may be horribly deceived. After all, it's happened before.

Hmm...it seems I've assigned myself quite a bit of homework. Though I probably won't get around to it until the evening. For now, it's off to bed with me.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Day One Votes

Kath-->Nerwen at 6:36am
Fea-->Hansy at 4:37pm
Durie-->Sally at 4:39pm
Steve-->Gwath at 4:55pm
Eomer-->Sally at 6:18pm
Rikae-->Steve at 9:26pm
Hansy-->Fea at 9:45pm
Lari-->Nog at 10:17pm
Nog-->Fea at 10:25pm
Willa-->Steve at 10:36pm
Gwath-->Fea at 10:41pm
Izzy-->Gwath at 11:37pm
Sally-->Fea at 11:56pm
Mnemo-->Steve at 11:58pm
Phantom-->Gwath at 11:58pm
Brinn-->Gwath at 11:59pm

Did not vote: Mira



Day Two Votes

Willa-->Mnemo at 4:33pm
Noggie-->Izzy at 6:10pm
Kath-->Izzy at 7:21pm
Hansy-->Noggie at 7:31pm
Rikae-->Izzy at 7:50pm
Fea-->Izzy at 10:15pm
Lari-->Hansy at 10:50pm
Mnemo-->Kath at 11:53pm
Izzy-->Sally at 11:55pm
Sally-->Hansy at 11:57pm
Mira-->Mnemo at 11:58pm
Brinn-->Noggie at 11:58pm
Phantom-->Noggie at 11:59pm
Izzy-->Noggie at 12:00am

retraction of Izzy-->Sally at 11:55pm

Sally-->Izzy at 12:00am

retraction of Sally-->Hansy at 11:57pm

Did not vote: Durie, Steve



Day Three Votes
Durie-->Phantom at 12:14pm
Willa-->Sally at 5:43pm
Steve-->Sally at 5:47pm
Kath-->Hansy at 7:42pm
Fea-->Izzy at 9:27pm
Sally-->Hansy at 10:02pm
Rikae-->Izzy at 10:15pm
Hansy-->Phantom at 10:19pm
Lari-->Hansy at 11:39pm
Mnemo-->Hansy at 11:54pm
Brinn-->Izzy at 11:57pm
Phantom-->Hansy at 11:58pm
Hansy-->Sally at 11:59pm

retraction of Hansy-->Phantom at 10:19pm

Izzy-->Sally at 12:00am

So here's the voting track of everyone who's still alive.


Durie: Sally, (no vote due to RL circumstances), Phantom
Fea: Hansy, Izzy, Izzy
Izzy: Gwath, Sally/Noggie, Sally
Phantom: Gwath, Noggie, Hansy
Brinn: Gwath, Noggie, Izzy
Sally: Fea, Hansy/Izzy, Hansy
Willa: Steve, Mnemo, Sally
Rikae: Steve, Izzy, Izzy
Mnemo: Steve, Kath, Hansy


player/player indicates a retraction, with the final vote last of course


I'm going to post this then check it for accuracy (less scrolling that way) so it will be edited as necessary just to make sure it's correct.

Also, in this version I am a known innocent. Deal with it. Phantom is innocent in my book but that doesn't mean he's not a cobbler, so he's not italicized, just to be fair and cautious at least once in my life.

I'll get to more comments on this in a bit, but wanted to actually get it posted for everyone's use.

[Mnemosyne]

Ai!!!

Rikae, if you think Sally's the Black Knight, then whom do you think Kath dreamt on Night 3?

And just to be clear, what role did you dream for Izzy?

I do not trust you, dear. Why should I believe a word of what you're saying?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Ai!!!

Rikae, if you think Sally's the Black Knight, then whom do you think Kath dreamt on Night 3?

And just to be clear, what role did you dream for Izzy?

I do not trust you, dear. Why should I believe a word of what you're saying?

Izzy is the black bishop. I don't know who Kath dreamt, but it obviously wasn't Izzy.

[Isabellkya]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Also, Izzy, how does it feel to be alive?

I'm quite confused to say the least. Yet I am not about to look a gift horse in the mouth (too much.)
When I saw the scene, I was quite speechless after exclaiming a phrase; which I can't repeat the entirety of here.

My thought, is if the WQ were responsible for it - wouldn't Shasta of attributed xer for it; rather than Sauron?

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Izzy

My thought, is if the WQ were responsible for it - wouldn't Shasta of attributed xer for it; rather than Sauron?

Depends; there's already been some discussion on that above.

But I don't think we can look into the narrations for clues other than who got which Night kill. After all, the death that was saved was (almost) caused by the two Wizards actually colliding with one another.

But unless there's some rule which we haven't been told of (which is entirely likely, praise our Mod with great praise) the unexplainable death must have had something to do with the unknown role.

[Isabellkya]

My last post was crossposted with #368 and #367. But it wouldn't let me save it after editing it in.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by sally

Never said she wasn't, love. What's your point?

Nothing; just a bit of punnery. Under different circumstances that would've looked like a veiled reveal.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Nothing; just a bit of punnery. Under different circumstances that would've looked like a veiled reveal.

Pfffft. Do you really think I'd be that obvious?

[satansaloser2005]

Some people may appear on multiple lists, some may appear on none.

Werecreatures
Brinn
Fea
Hansy
Durie (just a hunch, though I know she's been gone so I won't lynch her now)

Spefically the Black Queen
Brinn
Hansy

Hiding in the dark corners (could go either way)
Mnemo
Kath


Probably innocent, at least for now
Izzy
Rikae (What? Inconceivable!)
Phantom
Steve (pity the sick man if nothing else)

Definitely innocent in my book
Sally
Shasta
Mith
Legate
Nilp
Lommie
Agan
Greenie


I also have some more solid theories about the White Queen, but I don't care to endanger Her Majesty, so I'll keep them to myself until I believe the time is right. Until then I'm on the straight and narrow, off to analyze someone. You'll find out who when my post pops up.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Mnemo

But if the not-dead person was indeed a Black Knight save, that implies that whoever it was was evil. And since the Knight can't protect two days in a row...

Of course, that's too much for an innocent to hope for. I think it's still in the Queen's interest to keep those wolves around for a little while longer.

Actually I can't see why the Queen wouldn't want to kill a wolf if she has the opportunity. While it may help to have them around in numbers, they're still not on the same team and at some point the wolves will want the kill the BQ...and it could be especially bad if the BB dreams of her. If she has a window of opportunity to eliminate one of them, why not take it? For one thing, it's a guaranteed kill. The only reason I can see why she wouldn't is if she suspects the save was the BR and feared that he may hunt her. I think I would almost rather leave the BQ alone just for toDay if there's any possibility that she might kill a wolf.

Then again, I don't know if we can be sure she targeted a wolf. Would it be possible that the wolves chose to protect someone else if they suspected/knew that they were the Black Pawn? Of course, if the Black Queen eliminated the BP instead it wouldn't be so bad either...but then again, that could be another reason for her not to kill her original target since the BP should be on her side..

Originally Posted by Sally

I'm again concerned by Brinn and Phantom's votes. Now I realize Phantom was being silly (and he did explain himself toDay) but that's two Days in a row in which Brinn has influenced the....oh my giddy aunt. Phantom may be right. And if anyone makes sense for the double vote power, it's her.

Or phantom, since he has voted no differently than me.

Originally Posted by Sally

Day One it was a tie between Gwath and Fea. Brinn put in her vote for Gwath at the last minute, and Gwath was the unfortunate loser of the tie. (What if it really wasn't a tie?)

I doubt that. Mods will sometimes give subtle hints or even slightly mislead the village, but I've never heard of a mod that would outright lie to us. Which is exactly what he would've had to do for that scenario to work out.

Since Shasta's around, perhaps he can tell us. Was the Day 1 lynch really a tie? Or is the actual vote count to remain a secret?

Anyway, we can't really know what the WQ's power is for sure...it's all just speculation. One possibility that came to mind is perhaps the White Queen has the power to save a lynch candidate she thinks is innocent. Kind of like a ranger, but during the Day. But then, why wouldn't there just be no lynch instead?

Originally Posted by Sally

Brinn just jumped out at me because she's been alarming me for a bit and your suggestion made enormous amounts of sense.

Just wondering, how does alarming* equal White Queen? I thought the WQ was on the village's side. Is there a reason think otherwise?

*By alarming, I'm assuming you mean suspicious.

Originally Posted by Mnemo

Sweetheart, Nerwen's dead.

I think Sally was talking about her computer. Yes, apparently she has a name for her computer. Though strange that of all names, it is called Hunter...

Originally Posted by Izzy

My thought, is if the WQ were responsible for it - wouldn't Shasta of attributed xer for it; rather than Sauron?

An interesting thought. Though, what does that imply? That Sauron is not only controlling the game but is in it as well? Bah, at this point I'm feeling like anything is possible...

[satansaloser2005]

True, Brinn, Phantom's voted the same way you have, but I think it would be pretty silly for him to bring up the true nature of his role so flippantly. I mean, it's Phantom, but still....



Shasta's actually gone to bed for the night. I'm not saying he'd lie to us so much as withhold information. Completely different barrel of red herring.



Well, I certainly named my computer before the game started so yeah. Draw from it what conclusiong you may; I'm going to try to catch the baddies if you don't mind.

[satansaloser2005]

I've got all of Willa's posts cued up and will run through them at some point, but I'm kind of considering going to bed, or at least getting off the board for the night. I'll make sure to get to my analysis as soon as I can though. (Hopefully I'll be around during my rubbish seminar class tomorrow if I can manage to get a spot where the professor won't see me, because distraction is the only thing keeping me sane hehe.)

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Brinn

Then again, I don't know if we can be sure she targeted a wolf. Would it be possible that the wolves chose to protect someone else if they suspected/knew that they were the Black Pawn? Of course, if the Black Queen eliminated the BP instead it wouldn't be so bad either...but then again, that could be another reason for her not to kill her original target since the BP should be on her side.

Touche, and a good thing to keep in mind. All we know is that the Queen did not get a kill last night.