Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Nogrod]

Have you seen Steve's (Eönwë's) post in the admin thread?

I suggest we leave him be at least toDay - and if he happens to be a baddie we scorn him for the rest of his life for free-riding in an immoral fashion...

*I just realised that I had left a few pieces unpolished... back soon*


Okay, then for something completely different.

I'm still uneasy with Fea. Then again I'm also thinking she's most probably the Black Pawn and thence I'm not too sure we should waste a lynch on her if we have any decent option of lynching an actual killer-baddie.

Let me make my point in short one more time as it seems many people just don't get it.

So she makes that little and totally unconnected remark in her voting post saying I have "a way of saying interesting things on Day One" which follows after her telling she's in no mood to be nice to newbies (as a reason for her vote for Hansy).

Then after being questioned why she said that, she admits that she made the remark because she thought I was the seer.

Now why would an innocent go on making such a statement if she had a feeling someone was the seer? She has never answered this - and I can't see why any decent innocent would act like that in the first place. Especially if she thought that I had the most valuable information of all eg. knowing the identity of the BQ which was part of her explanation?!!!

But what kind of bothers me the most right now is her post toDay about it.

Originally Posted by Fea

In the event that I was right about him being Seer, and anybody noticed my comment but him, I intended to lie through omission about thinking he was the Seer, and would have amplified my faith in his ordinary intelligence and the organized mode of his rather linear thinking, which is often at cross purposes with my typically incoherent mind.

The question now becomes...
a) did she really have that thought out well before making the statement or is this invented afterwards (as her previous answer seemed to be in the crucial respects)?
b) and even more importantly: why did she make that original point about her thinking me to be the seer if she had to have millions of cover-plans for it if someone who shouldn't notice it would notice it? What was the rationale for it?


No innocent would say that aloud even if she thought that.

A cobbler might wish to point out a possible seer to the baddies. The motivation and the way she carries this through points neatly toward cobblerism.

A Black Queen wishing to point to the baddies who to kill / whom she will try to kill the coming Night then? In that case either the trio didn't get the hint or... and here we come to this possibility of the WQ being on action toNight... so maybe Fea really tried to kill me but the ranger covered me - and thus Eomer was killed by the WQ (it was a Q who took Eomer last Night but the table didn't tell us whether it was Black or White Queen who did it...)? In that case I'll be dead meat toMorrow. Baddies seldom leave an opportunity to kill someone without a danger of being distracted by the ranger unused if they have been frustrated once by her/him.

The likelihood of these scenarios is quite clear to me.

So Fea is up to no good but I can't see a believable scenario for her to be a member of the trio. The possibility of her being the BQ doesn't look too good either but is clearly better than the previous one. But her actions fit very nicely to her being the cobbler.

So she's a cobbler then. QED

Which means I should find someone else to vote for toDay as we can't afford yet another mislynch.

EDIT: Because of the extra polishing-job I seem to have X'd with a host of posts...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now why would an innocent go on making such a statement if she had a feeling someone was the seer? She has never answered this - and I can't see why any decent innocent would act like that in the first place. Especially if she thought that I had the most valuable information of all eg. knowing the identity of the BQ which was part of her explanation?!!!

There is no point in hiding a role that I don't think you have. I also don't think you're the White Queen. Oh no! My bad, I shouldn't have said that aloud. Saying what I don't think is just downright dangerous for everybody involved.

Originally Posted by Nog

a) did she really have that thought out well before making the statement or is this invented afterwards (as her previous answer seemed to be in the crucial respects)?

The problem with this is the suggestion that I think things out well in advance before saying them. I certainly considered the implications of posting a hint/query before I hit submit, and decided that it wasn't going to be a big deal if anybody noticed, because people drop hints and ask questions all the time; what I didn't expect was for you to respond the way you have. It makes me think you actually do have something to hide. Oh no, I shouldn't have said that either!

I intended to feel out the validity of my suspicion of your role, and to give an explanation for my vote of a newbie, when it's common practice to give noobs the benefit of the doubt on day one. I was in a foul mood and I noticed what you'd said. Why forgo a chance to kill off the Black Queen, and why wouldn't a player try to learn who the seer is? As I said, once you reacted the way you did, I knew no prudent seer would be that much of a blowhard (no offense, please, you know I adore you) in response to something so mundane.

I tire of this. You're being like a dog with a bone, Nog. Let it go.

Originally Posted by Nog

I mean the reason why Fea the cobbler was not lynched yesterDay was friendship and not the arguments in the game. And we could be rid of a cobbler now...

First I'd like to say, "Except I'm not the cobbler."

Then I'd like to say, "I agree with the rest."

While I'm pleased I'm not dead, games are no fun if they are based on favoritism instead of on suspicion. The phantom is right when he says I would never hesitate to kill him if I thought it would suit my plans, and it's common knowledge that he's a buddy of mine. Please don't let your adoration of my wonderful self mess with the integrity of the beauty that is stabbing your closest internet pals in the back.

Now that I've finally caught up...

Seriously, that just took me hours.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nog is being obsessive, but I don't think he is a wolf. I definitely don't think he's a seer.

The phantom seems more innocent than usual. I'm noticing what usually happens: he responds most quickly and most repeatedly when his irritation builds. He's usually most irritated as an ordo. While he might not be an ordo, I do not think that he is Black.

Kath, zomg that post was epic. Kath I think is reasonably innocent. I certainly don't intend to vote for her.

Mirandir seems utterly clueless. Sorry, dear. Please don't poison me Wednesday when you cook dinner for me while I'm in class. Innocent. Or at least, not radar-lighting evil.

Durelin is one I can never get a read on. After some experience being dead wrong about my reactions to her, I'm hesitant to say that I find her abrupt style alarming.

Isabellkya: I hadn't noticed any of the scary things that apparently everybody else thinks. Must be I'm busy noticing other things. I'll take people's word for it that she's a valid suspect, but I'm totally neutral on her.

Rikae joked with me Day One about dreams. I didn't take it seriously. I think she's White of some sort, though not necessarily Gifted.

Brinniel has a way of totally sneaking past my alarm system. I don't have any idea what she might be, but I'm not alarmed enough to want to vote for her.

Sally doesn't seem nearly hyper enough to be evil. Then again, maybe she took notes on the fact that I pegged her day one of the last game for that very thing. Still, no vote from me today.

Lari and I need to do our bio homework. My brain is totally running on empty. Usually my Mondays are so quiet... Anyway, Lari is on the lower end of the middle of my innocent/evil spectrum. The little I think about her is vaguely cautious in her direction.

Wilwa and I haven't played together in so long that I don't remember what I'd normally think. I think she's a white pawn, though I'm not sure.

Steve honestly should post more memorable things, since I'm doing this list from memory, and nothing is springing to mind.

Mnemo rings alarm bells, but I don't know why. I should look back over posts, but I don't know how much time I'll have before deadline. I didn't expect my afternoon to be so busy, and my Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursdays are a blitzkrieg of insanity. I'll try to look back and see why I'm unsure/suspicious of Mnemo before I vote, but I really don't know how functional I'll be, as I'm already exhausted.

Hansy: I'm now quite certain that Hansy isn't just an alias of the phantom (mostly because other people have told me that they know Hansy as a legitimate individual being). That being said, I wouldn't be adverse to repeating my vote of Hansy, for all that my reasoning no longer involves Nogrod.

I shall go think of chromosomes and suchlike now...

Edit: x'd with phantom, Izzy, and Mnemo

[Isabellkya]

I am getting to it Phantom and Mnemosyne.
I am only up to post #285 in actually reading. Skimming doesn't help.

Oh absolutely - it is just me thinking you a bit cold-hearted and blood thirsty, or oh absolutely you were being such?

[Mnemosyne]

Just reread Mira's posts.

Really the thing I hold against her the most is that "Well, I would have saved Fea voting for Gwath" post. Did Fea strike you as innocent, and if so, why? And was Gwath unknown, suspicious, or cannon fodder?

It really doesn't look that good for you, my dear; but then again, if you were a baddie, would you have frankly admitted that you were planning on voting for who is now a known innocent?

As usual I still have no Red Flag suspicions, if I have any suspicions at all (call it the fate of a lurker who read these games more for entertainment than intellectual stimulus). But for some strange reason Sally is still giving me odd feelings, even though I said I'd let her off the hook for toDay.

Then again, I've never read her playing in a game where I didn't know her role in advance. I'm not used to looking at her posts frankly.

I'll look over her stuff, but won't vote her unless I find something really really bad-looking (hah!).

Mira also continues to give me odd feelings, even though I don't know why: once again, I don't have nearly enough information to make a decision I'm satisfied with!

Steve I'm willing to wait until toMorrow to look at, when deo volente he'll be able to defend himself.

Hansy I think is innocent, but couldn't say why. Need to do some rereading there as well.

That's all for now!

[Mnemosyne]

@ Izzy

Oh, absolutely I was being such.

I look forward to your defense once you've read through the thread to your heart's content.