Middle-earth Bad Popularity Cup

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

But I do think Eol is a formidable candidate to move further on in the combat. He was as complex a character study as any other elf save for Feanor, perhaps. One of the greatest smiths -- AND a spellcaster as well? We get too few instances in the Tolkien's corpus of elvish magic not in tandem with imbued items (like palantiri, silmarils, swords and such). We know of Luthien and Finrod's songs of power, but what shadowy powers lurked in the darkness of Nan Elmoth? Spells of bewilderment, webs of deceit entangling hapless prey. It is certainly something I'd like to hear more about.

Sometimes substantive can be taken as complex. I don't need to know why Eol did what he did so long as he did them. Carcharoth is a good evil character to vote for; besides, you know where he stands.

++Carcharoth

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Sometimes substantive can be taken as complex.

substantive: having or expressing substance, belonging to the real nature or essential part of a thing; essential.

complex: a whole made up of complicated or interrelated parts.

I suppose you knew what you were saying; however, I don't see the comparative context of 'substantive' as opposed to 'complex', particularly since complexity may be construed as a substantive component of Eol's nature.