Middle-earth Bad Popularity Cup

[Morthoron]

Bolg was living off the accomplishments of his far greater father, Azog. William had a better accent.

++William

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + William

Not only was he a great humanitarian
toward burrahobbits:

Poor little blighter! Let him go!

But he showed tactical survival sense beyond his mates:

Shut yer mouth! Yer can't expect folk to stop
here for ever just to be et by you and Bert. You've et a
village and half between yer, since we come down from
the mountains. How much more d'yer want? And times
been up our way, when yer'd have said 'thank yer Bill' fora nice bit
'o fat valley mutton like what this is.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

Bolg was living off the accomplishments of his far greater father, Azog.

Wait, wait. Just so that there is no confusion: Bolg is son of Azog and he comes from Gundabad, and was the leader of the Orcs in the Battle of the Five Armies. The Great Goblin is the master of the Goblins of the High Pass, and he has no name, and he was killed by Gandalf, in the result of which the Dwarves were freed.

The Great Goblin was quite interesting. I mean, not really bad. But William is my favourite of the Trolls. And he was the most... hmm... nice I mean, he does not want to eat poor Bilbo and wants to let him go. And poor him, he was accused by his fellows for leading them down from the mountains, even though he surely had the best intentions in mind! He certainly deserves some credit.

++William

EDIT: x-ed with Tuor. Yes, exactly! I am glad to see I am not the only one who noticed that

[Andsigil]

++William

He even has a surname of Huggins. Interesting, I'll bet, the study of hill troll genealogy.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Andsigil

He even has a surname of Huggins. Interesting, I'll bet, the study of hill troll genealogy.

Yes, that's another interesting thing. I always forget about it - mainly because in my translation, it's for some reason left out. I wonder what made them not to translate it...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I always forget about it - mainly because in my translation, it's for some reason left out. I wonder what made them not to translate it...

I wonder more why Tolkien decided to give William that surname in the first place! Why a surname? And of all the possibilities he comes up with Huggins! Now really...

It would be reasonable to stand against the tide again and vote for the Great Goblin, but he's just not... well, votable.

I think he was always the mere nobody standing for a role there had to be. A goblin king living under the mountains could have been a formidable character but GG is not.

++ William

[Aganzir]

The Great Goblin was mean to Thorin.

++William

Hmm, William was mean to the dwarves, too. But less so. And he didn't eat their ponies.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I wonder more why Tolkien decided to give William that surname in the first place! Why a surname? And of all the possibilities he comes up with Huggins! Now really...

Well, and why not? You could ask the same way, why a name, in the first place? This, if nothing else, implies the reoccurance of first names among Trolls. One was Bill the Goat-Eater, another was Bill Two-Tooth, another one was Bill Huggins. It does not necessarily imply a family name, although... hmm... a Huggins clan... "Clan of the Red Claw!" "Clan of the Stone!" "Clan of Huggins!" Now, really...

Well, at least you can be glad he wasn't called Bill Noggins

Oh, and actually... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Huggins

I think the time of his life implies that Tolkien might have been well informed about him...

I think he was always the mere nobody standing for a role there had to be. A goblin king living under the mountains could have been a formidable character but GG is not.

Well, it's not that bad... he has one or two interesting quotes, like "Murderers and friends of Elves!" and "Throw them into the pits full of snakes!", which beats Legolas from the movies, but

[Durelin]

++The Great Goblin

I've always liked the goblins, especially as portrayed in The Hobbit (if they're really portrayed anywhere else). They're more interesting than other orcs to me, as they are more independent. And I like how they're kinda buddy-buddy with the wargs, without the wargs being subject to them. They also, from what I remember, seem to be possible to reason with. They seem to have protocols.

I like Bert, Tom, and Bill plenty, but...meh, there's three of them.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I think he was always the mere nobody standing for a role there had to be. A goblin king living under the mountains could have been a formidable character but GG is not.

Well, they're goblins...in The Hobbit, a children's story...they have to be a little silly and thus their leader largely incompetent...to avoid gruesome torture and death scenes and such... As if Bert, Tom, and Bill are especially formidable.