T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Rikae]

I just remembered something else I wanted to say about Mac - the reason I think he's worth mentioning at all: he hasn't behaved like an ordo. He's been far more careful than he is as one (and yes, I think he's careful in spite of the celebrated "slips", which were more like hints. That politeness Legate mentioned, I guess.)

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Agan

Greenie's assuring she believes Lommy's claim for now looks a bit weird. I don't know, it's just the way she systematically brings up things; Lommy would be a bold wolf to do that, but then again... Today would be the perfect time to impersonate the seer, but then again... She could be Ferny, but then again... And in the end she kind of apologies for trying to make us feel worse about Lom

That post looked a bit fishy to me, too. Although Greenie as an earlier wolf companion to Sally and Brinn doesn't seem really likely, could she be Frodo?

That reminds me - I thought Agan Frodoish early on. Better take another look.

[Rikae]

Oh, jeez. I shouldn't have said what I did above. Now I've gone and messed up our chances of the wraiths making a mistake. Rikae = doof.

[Rikae]

Bah, well, as long as I'm talking about it anyway... jeez, he could have ignored my hints because he *didn't* send his own name to the wraiths after all. In fact, I can think of a reason why he wouldn't... oh, I'm so stupid... *headdesk*

[Brinniel]

I'm sorry Ms. Ferny, but I'm afraid your act is over. It was a clever move and I applaud you that, but I'm sure you didn't count on one of your so called "dreams" to be the seer.

Don't believe Lommy for a second. She is smart and deceptive. And she probably wanted to take the heat off some possible wraiths or draw out the real seer (which she has in fact done). Unfortunately for her and fortunately for us, Sally actually is a wraith. I dreamt of her last Night. I'm sure Lommy wasn't expecting that.

Night 1: Lommy
Night 2: Nogrod
Night 3: Rune
Night 4: Sally

I dreamt of Lommy as an ordo, which is why she cannot be a wraith. She is the informer, and a sneaky one at that.

If you don't believe me, I recommend you check my posts and you'll see that I am telling the truth. Also, if I actually were a wraith, do you really think I would dare to leave Lommy alive? After Fea's game, no. I admit I make mistakes, but I would never make the same mistake twice.

Anyway, it would be a waste of time to lynch the cobbler. Especially when we have a known wraith in our grasp. Frodo may have been turned, but at least we are one wraith down.

++Sally

I'd love to be of more help, but I'm afraid I cannot be here much until around 7ish pm EST as I have classes most of the day.

[satansaloser2005]

*sigh*

Alas, had the seer dreamt of me a different Night she may have found my intentions quite different.

Re: Rune.
YesterDay I legitimitely thought he could be evil, cobbler perhaps if not something else, but obviously toDay it would be unfair to comment on such matters.



In other news I have to head to class.

In even other news the duck tells me to say this: "By Elbereth and Luthien the Fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!"

Back around lunchtime. (Heh, I made a typo and accidentally said 'lynchtime' at first.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, now that is at least getting interesting.

But unless we have some real master-plot involved, things are clear. We got a WW and a Ringbearer, now we need two more Wolves.

That Sally would be the RB makes lot of sense - the difference in her posting, not being so vocal as usually, etc.

Brinn's defense against being revealed as a WW is a very feeble one. That's the only reason why I could see it being a trick (and Lommy, Brinn and Sally being all wolves, for example. But that won't make sense as they would all reveal and make themselves dead for nothing. Therefore, Lommy's claim is proven as truthful for me).

Now, I wonder who are the two other ones. We should not give ourselves to easy sleep and try to work on finding them, as if our lives depended on it. (Well, they do, actually.)

[Meneltarmacil]

A sneaky one you are, Lommy. And Brinn, I always figured you were on our side.

Well, Sally is evil, we can all agree on that. And by tomorrow we'll know another person's role. I'd suggest looking at Mac during the next Night phase, but that's just me.

In the meantime, these are our possible wraiths:
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Macalaure
A Little Green

For now, though...

++Sally

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Brinn

If you don't believe me, I recommend you check my posts and you'll see that I am telling the truth.

I don't believe you, and I'm pressed for time. Care to point out exactly what, in your posts, I should look for? A seer hint?

Incidentally, look at the first letters of the sentences in my first and second posts of Day 1. Obviously, I am not the seer, and not Frodo (why would I reveal now)? I'm just somebody who wanted some backup plans to avoid lynching if necessary.

Anyone can leave hints.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry. . .I did not post as promised. I my self have a cold and simply fell a sleep on my sofa, now I have to go. I will vote tonight, but unless I get better I will not contribute with much more than that.

btw, I have no idea who is telling the truth. . .Lommy or Brinn, I did not understand why Legate found Brinn's defence so weak.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Bah, well, as long as I'm talking about it anyway... jeez, he could have ignored my hints because he *didn't* send his own name to the wraiths after all. In fact, I can think of a reason why he wouldn't... oh, I'm so stupid... *headdesk*

I didn't see anything. Nope, not me. You said nothing. This was an empty post, and not at all a completely obvious outing of yourself as Ferny. Thanks for that. Thanks a lot. Blast, it's so hard to find good help these days....

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

What else could she do? Claim her innocent and she'd fall with her anyway? The only way Sally would not have been doomed is if she had made a third "reveal". (I'd have loved that. )

edit: xed with Legazzone

Oh, but I did, lovely.

[Brinniel]

*yawns*

You all are so boring and predictable. Like mindless cattle, believing the first claim you hear. Never mind, I don't really care anymore...why waste my time with a close-minded village?

In other news, did anyone watch LOST tonight? It was awesome.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

*yawns*

You all are so boring and predictable. Like mindless cattle, believing the first claim you hear. Never mind, I don't really care anymore...why waste my time with a close-minded village?

In other news, did anyone watch LOST tonight? It was awesome.

*yawns*

Frankly, I think the forces of darkness could be putting on a better show.

Remember Mormegil and Nogrod in Fea's game? Now that was awesome.

EDIT: X'd with Sally.

[Brinniel]

But really guys, do you always have to let the seer do all the work for you? You blindly lynched innocents and couldn't manage to lynch a single wraith until the seer revealed. Lucky for you. But without a seer to do your dirty work, you are all just hopeless. Let's just see how well you do once she is dead.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I didn't see anything. Nope, not me. You said nothing. This was an empty post, and not at all a completely obvious outing of yourself as Ferny. Thanks for that. Thanks a lot. Blast, it's so hard to find good help these days....

Oh, you're back to being a wraith, are you, Sally?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, you're back to being a wraith, are you, Sally?

ToDay, certainly. Glad you're catching on.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rikae

That post looked a bit fishy to me, too. Although Greenie as an earlier wolf companion to Sally and Brinn doesn't seem really likely, could she be Frodo?

Yeah that's what occurred to me as well.

Anyway I've been looking at the voting but don't really know what I'm trying to achieve, apart from looking at the first day bandwagon where Brinn could have been lynched. I'm not nearly done yet but I have to leave now. So much for napping.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I hope Brinn's edgy posts of Day 1 were genuine, and not a wraithish plot, since that would be quite un-sporting. (I've been accused of that type of play, but I never actually did it. Wolves have feelings, too!)

I hope so too.

The latter possibility reminds me of the time Legate's attempt to distance himself from me as a fellow wolf led innocent Mac to send a PM scolding Legate for being mean to me.

Oh, that was cute. Good old times...

Hm, well, one thing I just want to point out at the moment is that, although he's obviously no lynch target for the next couple Days, we shouldn't discount the possibility that Mac is indeed Ferny. I know I said he wasn't, but that was largely based on his failure to pick up my hints that I was a wraith who had been given his name. But on second thought, Mac doesn't tend to be one to look very hard for hints. Fact is, he did engage in Fernyish behavior and is worth keeping an eye on.

Originally Posted by Rikae

I just remembered something else I wanted to say about Mac - the reason I think he's worth mentioning at all: he hasn't behaved like an ordo. He's been far more careful than he is as one (and yes, I think he's careful in spite of the celebrated "slips", which were more like hints. That politeness Legate mentioned, I guess.)

Hmm, now that I think of it, a MacFerny (Scottish) is not as impossible (although, like I said, I am not trusting myself anymore). But, in either case, we should be careful, as when Fea wasn't, somebody is still Ferny - somebody around here, and for certain, somebody far more careful than an average Cobbler (although perhaps he was just lucky that there was Fea around to steal his or her fame At least in some people's eyes).

EDIT: x-ed since my last post

[Kitanna]

Lommy's time was up. She stayed awake anxiously for hours after Brinn's death. As night wore she began to wonder if maybe the ranger was watching over her. That had to be it. Dawn was fast approaching and Brinn's companions hadn't appeared.

Lommy sighed with relief. She'd live to see another day. However, as Lommy climbed into her bed the door to her home open. She didn't hear it because she was already asleep, dreaming pleasantly. The three remaining wraiths crept into Lommy's room. The innkeeper's disguise had come off and now Butterbur had to die.

~*~*~

Lommy was found in the morning with her eyes caught out and her skull cracked open. The wraiths had nailed her eyes to the wall. Her brain had been removed hastily and with no real care, bits of it scattered the floor. No one could locate the wayward brain. It couldn't have escaped during the attack.

The villagers searched the entire house. Finally they came across a pie sitting on the kitchen table. It was red and had an unpleasant oder emitting from it. The wraiths had put Lommy's brain into a pie as a means of exacting their revenge from Brinn's death.

The Prancing Pony had lost its innkeeper and the village had lost its seer.

Living
satansaloser2005
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil
A Little Green

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)

[Kitanna]

Rikae's voice was hoarse from the screaming match with Sally. She was settling down for a nice cup of tea when something outside rustled. Forgetting the terror presented by the wraiths, Rikae found she was more afraid of Rune and his rock of silence.

She peaked out her front window to see if a disgruntled Rune was lurking in the shadows. He wasn't. She returned to her comfy chair. It was probably in her mind. Or hiding in the closet.

~*~*~

The next morning the village found Rikae still in her chair. However she was missing her skin. Her muscle was exposed and her organs were threatening to ooze out. Some already had. The wraiths had decided having her skin was too much of a hassle, so they relieved her of it.

But the left her skin behind as a gift to the village. It was nailed draped over her kitchen table as a semi-tablecloth. Too bad her blood ruined the wood finish.

Living
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Legate of Amon Lanc
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil
A Little Green

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)
satansaloser2005 – Brained by Rune Day 5 (wraith)
Rikae – Skinned alive Night 6 (innocent)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

That is disgusting, it reminds you of that Robbie Williams music video doesn't it? except she isn't moving. . . .

I don't understand why nobody has posted yet. . .have everybody been out in the nightlife saturday or what is the explanation here?

I will be checking what happens on the tread the next hours and comment on what is going on, but I have other stuff to do at the same time.

[Macalaure]

Aaalright. I'm here, so the wraiths obviously thought that the ranger would be doing a better job this time. After her stunt yesterDay, Rikae looked innocent enough to be a decent alternative, I suppose.

The silence on the thread is remarkable. I really, really hope I'll be able to contribute some more than I did the last two days.

[A Little Green]

Well, if that wasn't some scrolling... Is there anyone around or will I chatter to myself? I'd feel more like a good chat about the game than a long analysis rant (the topic of which I don't even know yet - I believe I said yesterDay that I'd like to look at Rikae, but obviously I don't need to do that anymore).

There's something wrong with my computer or me because I can't get Rikae's chart opened.

[A Little Green]

I almost thought we could have it relatively easy now, with quite few possibilities left. I reconsidered when I saw the list. Such sneaky people!

I know I'm not a wraith. I also know Mac isn't. Thus,
IN THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE THERE ARE TWO WRAITHS:
Lari
Miri (I like Miri much better than Mira, by the way)
Legate
Aganzir
Gondie
Nerwen
Rune
Menel

Leggy, Agan, Gondie and Rune seem quite innocentish. That leaves Lari, Miri, Nerwen and Menel.

Lari is still the one I'm flip-flopping most about, she manages to seem both innocent and guilty at the same time. I have no idea whatsoever about Miri. Not about Nerwen either, but that I'm used to. I never manage to read her and that just started to worry me. I might try to look through her posts at some point toDay if I have the time. Menel I find somewhat suspicious and might vote him toDay if I get no better ideas during the Day.

[Aganzir]

Somehow I'm not surprised Mac is still alive. Did you forget to send your name to the wolves?

Originally Posted by Lari

Also would be an easy kill, especially if the wolves/wraiths were inexperienced.

What do you mean? That Mac would be an easy lynch? What does it have to do with the wraiths being inexperienced?

Originally Posted by Lari

Well, that's not to say that Rikae wouldn't have been an easy kill either, considering her banter with Sally yesterDay.

Well I don't know. She was generally considered quite innocent I think, and at least when I read through the day, the banter didn't make me suspect her more.

I think Rikae was the only one who found Legate somewhat suspicious. I wonder if a wolfish Legate could have killed her so as to avoid attention. Hmm I might want to take a look at Legate at some point today.
Also, if Mac is the cobbler, the wraiths might have thought the chances that he's not lynched are better if Rikae is dead.

Originally Posted by Lari

I don't really know what that means, maybe that he's more innocent than not because he thinks that Brinn is on "our side".

If he's a wolf, he was being very bold. I think that looks more like a cobblerish remark. Unfortunately we don't have too many days to check out possible cobblers as time is running out.

Legate's post is creepy. Why are you so sure Mac is not the cobbler? It looks like you are protecting him.

**

Okay yesterday.

Originally Posted by Lari

It was not that it was more her first post I didn't like and Nog's comment about her statement your vote that had me suspicious. Both of those things, and since both were mentioned I thought that was the best way to put it. And what Miri said.

Then it would have been better to repeat just those things. Otherwise one might expect you suspected her also of voting me, being the most sneaky you could find &c (I'm too lazy to check the other things she was suspected of)...

Originally Posted by Lari

And Sally left out Lommy in her list on Day 1. I wasn't the only one.

But you left out a wolf, which, according to my logic, means you couldn't be a wolf then as you wouldn't forget a fellow. Even if you had accidentally erased her name when copy-pasting.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Initial wishywashy reaction to Lommy vs. Brinn looks bad.

I trusted Lommy all along but found it amusing that Brinn's reveal looked more gifted-ish than hers.

Originally Posted by Mac

I'm very much puzzled by Aganzir's insisting that I'm evil.

Honestly Mac I'm sorry I find you suspicious every time! Guess if I like it myself. I hate obsessing about just a few people but I can't help it.
But Barney Ferny... Doesn't it sound good?

Originally Posted by Mac

The fact that she's laughing at the idea of me being Ferny. Why is that idea funny - unless you know better?

That's pretty far-fetched.

Originally Posted by Rikae

What was THAT???!!!

I interpreted it like there's still enough of us innocents... But it could also be interpreted the other way.

**

I've reached the point of being paranoid about everyone.

Where's Berry?
And where's Nerwen? I hope she's alright - I wouldn't like to be in Victoria right now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Why are you so sure Mac is not the cobbler? It looks like you are protecting him.

Am I?

But I never said I am sure Mac is not the cobbler. I am pretty certain I didn't (for I never was sure about that). But I was always saying - that is not our concern now, he is innocent (in the sense: not a Wraith. He may be Ferny, but for our purposes, now, still, we need to concern ourselves primarily with Wraiths, and only later with Macs or Fernys).

[Aganzir]

But we don't have enough time to ignore the cobbler! If we don't lynch a wraith or Ferny today or tomorrow, they're probably going to win.

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What do you mean? That Mac would be an easy lynch? What does it have to do with the wraiths being inexperienced?

Because he was dreamed innocent. If the wolves/wraiths didn't think he was Ferny or that they had no idea who Ferny was, someone relativley new could have though he was the best kill.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, good thing Rikae took the heat off the actual Ranger last night.

I'm actually glad i *hic* mished the *hic* banter lasht time. Shhuch thingsh make my head hurt.

I don't have a lot of time, sho I'll jusht vote now, retracting if *hic* necceshary.

++Mirandir

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Why do you vote for Mirandir, any reason at all?

[Beregond]

I'm trying to read and respond while watching the Super Bowl, but I'm being bothered, giving me a headache and making it impossible to concentrate. I'm here and reading though.

[Meneltarmacil]

Mostly, I considered Legate to be trustworthy based on his posts making sense to me throughout the game, and he had narrowed it down to either Aganzir or Mirandir. Agan had struck me as not really suspicious earlier this game, so I voted for Mirandir.

[Aganzir]

Greenie: Lari
Menel: Mira
Rune: Greenie
Legate: Lari

Lari-2, Mira-1, Greenie-1

Six votes still to come.

[Aganzir]

On day 1 Greenie wondered if Frodo's role is revealed if xe gets lynched. She said it would sound ideal if no one discovered Frodo's identity, and we should concentrate on finding the wraiths, not the RB. She voted for Gollum as she felt the worst about him.

On day 2 she accused Nog of making the day 1 votes such an issue. I can agree with her, Nog was strange. In #247 she thought Brinn looked innocent and had no read on sally. The whole list was quite close to my own opinions.
Brinn found her suspiciously careful & was worried about her. I don't think she would've treated a fellow who wasn't suspected almost at all like that.
She voted for Nog, which is alright with me.

Greenie started to get a bad feeling about Lari on day 3. Me too. She still found Brinn okay & had no read on sally. Voted Fea. Understandable.

Then day 4, after Frodo was turned.

Greenie said that the easiest thing to do about the Fea bandwagon would be to look at the people who were for it the most, ie Rikae and Legate, but she expressed doubts about a wolf being so loudly for an innocent's lynching. She added that we should look for people who go with the flow.
As for Frodo, she said it's important we compare people's posts to their posts on the previous days.

I'm still uncomfortable with the way Greenie says she believes Lommy's claim. She repeats things - says twice she's inclined to believe Lommy's claim for now, with almost exactly the same phrasing. Also, she suggests a thing but takes it back instantly, in a way: Lommy would be a very bold wolf as she'd lose two of her fellows, but then again Frodo is a wolf now... Today would be the perfect time to impersonate the seer, but then again it wouldn't make sense... She could be Ferny, but then again it doesn't seem very likely... And in the end Greenie half aplogizes, half explains why she was so eager to cast some random suspicion which she took back so that all that was left was a vague bad feeling that Lommy might not be the seer, after all:

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'm inclined to believe Lommy's claim for now. I just want to turn every stone and check through every possibility, just in case.

Day 5. She said Legate seemed very innocent. If they're fellows, that's a bold thing to do. Also, she found it more likely that Mac was innocent than Ferny.

Then there's her Menel analysis. She brings up valid points against him, but at the same time it seems somehow too easy. Menel almost always comes across as suspicious, and Greenie seems to be making too much into things. Exaggerating.

Today the people she did not find specifically innocentish were Lari (flip-flopping on her), Mira (no read), Nerwen (no read), and Menel (somewhat suspicious, might vote in lack of better suspects).

She wondered why Mac hadn't died and reached the conclusion it's possible he's Ferny. If she's a wolf & Mac is Ferny, she could probably have found a way to hint the wolves thought Mac was protected or wanted to leave him alive for confusion's sake. However, if he is not the cobbler, it's reasonable for a Greenwolf to say so.

She said she didn't want to vote for Menel today if he couldn't defend himself. In a way I can understand her, but at the same time I think that at this stage we should vote for our primary suspects.
In the end she voted for Lari.

**

I think she looked quite innocent up until Frodo was turned, but right after that she made some eyebrow-raising comments. Today she has looked more innocentish again. Garr I don't know! It could also be that she's got more used to being a wolf again and that's why the change for the better in her behaviour...

++Greenie

Right now I suspect her more than Lari and I don't want to start spreading the votes by voting for Legate. Also, if she's a wolf, then I'm pretty positive Legate is one, too. It would just make sense.

edit: xed with Nerwen & two Menels. Good catch about the bells ringing.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, now, if Agan's analysis made me think anything, it's that she is innocent.

So it's Lari, Mira, or (in brackets as I would like to hear more from him) Menel.

And if you are innocent, Agan, trust me that I am not stupid.

Okay, now let's see if I can reply to some of Agan's countless questions when I am at it...

Originally Posted by Agan

I wonder what to make of Legate writing twice Barney instead of Barliman. Both times, he was talking about Frodo and "Barney's" ability to tell about xem to the ranger.

And what do you think you should make out of it?

Legate suggested that Frodo should not reveal unless xe is under direct threat of dying. That would be a very convenient way for a wolf to react to talks about Frodo's possible reveal.

We are again at this topic, what more, it's a dead topic now (or rather, undead topic). So let's not start on that, sufficient to say, this is what I think is (or was) best for the innocents. I said it dozen times: Frodo should stay put, if he thinks he's under a threat, reveal. What you suggested on first Days seemed like much worse plans to me. But that's a difference of opinions, I believe.

However the most interesting thing is that he had been consistently suspicious of Mac being a wraith, but now he didn't even seem to pay a thought to the possibility of him being Ferny. He said Mac looked still horribly sinister, but he was a known innocent now etc.
Okay, he mentioned the idea of Mac being Ferny, but that was probably more due to the general pressure as Rikae and me were quite inclined to think so. He never pursued the idea any further, though.

Oh but I did, and I think I even said that, even after that. Certainly, I was among the first ones to think Mac is a Cobbler on the first Days. However, I will repeat it again, he is a mere Cobbler (and we are not even completely sure about that). Not a Wraith.

Legate was also quick to encourage the idea of sally being Frodo.

Yep, after reading her post, it seemed logical to me, I thought the way she revealed was genuine. I compared it to other things and it seemed to make sense to me. Of course, it was proven to be otherwise.

It's enough for him that Mac is not a wraith - he's in Legate's I tend to trust category. No it isn't enough! If you trust the cobbler, you trust a person who's deliberately giving false information and twisting things, and therefore contribute to our loss.

Well, like I said, and especially back then, nobody made it sure that he actually is a Cobbler. This subsumed both the idea that he is a known innocent (non-Wraith) AND eventually, okay, he may be a Cobbler, but even that is not definite.

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Well, good thing Rikae took the heat off the actual Ranger last night.

Could somebody translate the meaning of this to me, please??

And Menel, is that all you have to say? I, for one (and I believe there are others as well) hoped to see more from you, once you are here...

[Macalaure]

Sorry for my absence so far toDay. At least I'll be here now probably up until the deadline.

*goes to read thread*

[Meneltarmacil]

I find myself agreeing that Greenie is likely the Ringbearer, due to the fact that she frequently asked about the role on Day 1 and later, in a list of suspects, she frequently mentions things like "No bells ring."

My comment earlier regarding Rikae taking the heat off the actual ranger was due to the fact that during her banter yesterday, she jokingly claimed to be the ranger. It's possible the wraiths attacked her thinking she might be serious.

[Meneltarmacil]

Oh, and

++A Little Green

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I have taken a look at our friend Gandhi-buri-Gandhi. (Ha! Should that be Gandhi-Berry-Gandhi, after all???)

I am not sure if he would be so bold as a newbie Wolf to react to Brinn, of all people, in his first post of all:

Originally Posted by Beregond

I have a feeling Brinn could be something other than she seems - she was the first to really encourage proper discussion and then she left, almost to deflect suspicion and avoid notice all in one. I don't know about the rest of you, but I just don't know as she is who she says she is."

And Brinn on him at the very beginning:

Originally Posted by Beregond

I've lost count. Thank you! I feel terribly newbie-ish.

That does not look quite incriminating on first sight.

On Brinn and Sally, he is not very specific in his lists:

Originally Posted by Beregond

Brinn - tend to think she's innocent, but not wanting to underestimate
(...)
Sally, Fea, Lari, Mira - not making themselves suspicious

or

Originally Posted by Beregond

Brinn: the only thing about her is I didn't understand why she was so surprised when Fea (and myself) commented about Rikae. Besides this incident, I'm not sure where Brinn stands. I'm going to be watching her, but she's safe for now because I don't have much to go on.
(...)
Sally: didn't post enough today.

In general, nothing concrete against them. Now that might be a reason - a newbie Wolf trying not to say anything concrete about his packmates. But then, again, he is generally very... well, indecisive, or how to say that, about people.

Also, his going for Mac on the first two Days, and in fact, he stated, he wanted to go for him even on the third, look innocentish - as if a (newbie) innocent suspected a person. His vote for Fea troubles me a little, it could have been hiding something in the general frenzy. But as a Wolf, he really gained nothing by that - unless he was planning to save Mac, a possible Cobbler ally.

He also had some exchange with Brinn concerning Rikae's "Seer revelation", however, it was Brinn who started it, not him. A newbie Wolf would hardly have started that, but Brinn could - to sort of put in order (and "interrogate" him before somebody else does that, which might have been more dangerous) the newbie Wolf who made a mistake by concerning himself too much with Rikae's revealing joke.

My question would be - what was Brinniel (the known Wolf, let's bear in mind!) following by this? By initiating this talk, I mean? As it didn't seem like incriminating Beregond, or was it?

He was for lynching Brinn instead of Sally... it looks like he came to that via his own thinking process, on the run, so to say... (as he was first going for sally, but later he joined the cause for Brinn in its very beginning, before more people even started to support voting Brinn).

And:

Originally Posted by Beregond

This must be one of those clues Brinn indicates she left.

That could be an attempt from a Wolf to defend the Seerishness of a fellow Wolf, but I tend to doubt it. Wouldn't it be a bit weird and, well, dangerous? Not very comfortable for either of them...

All in all, I am inclined to see him as likely innocent, and very likely not like Frodo, either (Frodo would have been more careful, I believe. Also, generally thinking, I am not sure if the Wolves would have picked Beregond as a target, of all people, unless they thought he is Frodo - which he seemingly, again, isn't - or does not make that impression, I'd think).

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot. With voting Mac first, he was jumping on the existing suspicion, but then again, he was not alone who thought that, not at all... and at the time Durelin was being voted for, it would have been perhaps easier for a newbie Wolf to go with the flow and vote Durelin, yet he decided to vote for Mac - who was likewise innocent (as we now know as well). So, again, not sure if a Wolf would do that...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So, now, if I recapitulate the stage in which I am now:

I think our Wolf (at least the one who wasn't Frodo at first) isn't:

Beregond
Rune
- for both, see my recent "excavations"

(though I think they are not even Frodo, at least those two. Bere the most.)

I think our Wolf rather isn't:
Nerwen - same as above
A Little Green - from before. She still seems innocentish to me.

I would be inclined to believe our Wolf isn't:
Lariren Shadow - After reading her posts... well, her style is consistent (doesn't look like Frodo coming here, not very openly, at least), and what Rikae says about her, when checking some of her posting for myself, for example this interaction with Brinn and Sally really looks un-wolfy.

I know our Wolf isn't:

Macalaure - he may be a Cobbler, but now that aside...

Oh my. And here it comes. That leaves me with:

Mirandir
Aganzir
Meneltarmacil

Great. Fantastic. Absolutely brilliant I am mainly referring to Aganzir there. Because I really can never discern whether she is not a Wolf. I never have any proofs. Of course not. And very often she just is. Eeeeek... Sally, Brinn... Agan? What kind of a village would that be... again?

As for Menel, think, like LG does as well, I am not voting him toDay. He is not around. I got mostly innocentish feeling from him this far, but again, with little posting, you get little. Mira... looked innocentish to me in some aspect, but... not really in any significant way. I have to go through her posts. She could also be a good Frodo, in my opinion.