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mark12_30 · 01-23-2009, 08:25 PM

That's the only statue that makes sense to me.

Unless one of the statues was supposed to be Celebrian...

Lindale · 01-23-2009, 09:10 PM

I don't get it either. Maybe it's one of those interpretations of PJ that we'll never really understand--he interpreted that because there is the Argonath, there must also be statues of Elves everywhere in Lorien and Rivendell.

Now that I googled it, Gilraen's statue looks a lot like the Virgin Mary's in Catholic churches.

Couldn't find other statues too, but I remember they look a bit like that too. Like old Catholic statues.

Beregond · 01-23-2009, 10:48 PM

The statues could well be from the imagination of Alan Lee rather than Peter Jackson. And in most things I would hesitate to criticize either Lee or John Howe because I love their art so much, but you make a very interesting point here. Dwarves and men carve stone for fun, but elves use stone for practical needs, don't they? I remember no mention in the books of any carven figures crafted by the Eldar people.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 01-24-2009, 07:04 AM

Plenty of Elves died in the first age, could it not be some of the major characters from the Sil?

It could be that the elves of Rivendell found statues decorative. . .

Personaly I think they add a bit of atmospere to Rivendell when watching the movies, it gives the impression that it is a place that have excisted for a very long time and maybe that is the reason they where put there by the movie makers.

mark12_30 · 01-26-2009, 08:39 PM

Rune, good point. I shall choose to think of them that way. So the holder of the shards of Narsil would be...?

Lindale · 01-27-2009, 12:15 AM

Possibly Ohtar? No really. It looks neither male nor female.

No I don't think so , Rune. Imagine Glorfindel for example. He died in the First Age as a sort of great war hero. And then in the Third Age he was there again. How would he feel if after a long absence, he sees a statue of him? Or of his fallen contemporaries in the First Age?

The most I can think of that the Elves made for decorating purposes was Turgon's Trees and the Stars (or was it Tree) of Feanor.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 01-27-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindale

No I don't think so , Rune. Imagine Glorfindel for example. He died in the First Age as a sort of great war hero. And then in the Third Age he was there again. How would he feel if after a long absence, he sees a statue of him? Or of his fallen contemporaries in the First Age?

Honored? or do you expect he would start yelling at people "blasphemy! you must not picture me!" Is Glorfindel not the only elf that we know of that has returned from Aman after his death? Anyway It does not seem that it was something that happened on more than a few occations, so I doubt it is something that would keep people from making statues.

01-23-2009, 08:25 PM	#1
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	That's the only statue that makes sense to me. Unless one of the statues was supposed to be Celebrian... __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

01-23-2009, 09:10 PM	#2
Lindale Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: midway upon... in a forest dark Posts: 975	I don't get it either. Maybe it's one of those interpretations of PJ that we'll never really understand--he interpreted that because there is the Argonath, there must also be statues of Elves everywhere in Lorien and Rivendell. Now that I googled it, Gilraen's statue looks a lot like the Virgin Mary's in Catholic churches. Couldn't find other statues too, but I remember they look a bit like that too. Like old Catholic statues. __________________ The heart does things for reasons Reason itself cannot comprehend. - Blaise Pascal Legal Madness.

01-23-2009, 10:48 PM	#3
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	The statues could well be from the imagination of Alan Lee rather than Peter Jackson. And in most things I would hesitate to criticize either Lee or John Howe because I love their art so much, but you make a very interesting point here. Dwarves and men carve stone for fun, but elves use stone for practical needs, don't they? I remember no mention in the books of any carven figures crafted by the Eldar people. __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-26-2009, 08:39 PM	#5
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Rune, good point. I shall choose to think of them that way. So the holder of the shards of Narsil would be...? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

01-27-2009, 12:15 AM	#6
Lindale Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: midway upon... in a forest dark Posts: 975	Possibly Ohtar? No really. It looks neither male nor female. No I don't think so , Rune. Imagine Glorfindel for example. He died in the First Age as a sort of great war hero. And then in the Third Age he was there again. How would he feel if after a long absence, he sees a statue of him? Or of his fallen contemporaries in the First Age? The most I can think of that the Elves made for decorating purposes was Turgon's Trees and the Stars (or was it Tree) of Feanor. __________________ The heart does things for reasons Reason itself cannot comprehend. - Blaise Pascal Legal Madness.