T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Brinniel · 01-22-2009, 07:31 PM

Good god, it took me long enough to catch up with this thread...

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Originally Posted by Beregond

I have a feeling Brinn could be something other than she seems - she was the first to really encourage proper discussion and then she left, almost to deflect suspicion and avoid notice all in one. I don't know about the rest of you, but I just don't know as she is who she says she is.

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Originally Posted by Rune

I do not think that Brinn or Lommy has said anything of substanse. . . It is just the usual "look at me I am all serious about the game" nonsense that allways pops up, it is no more usefull than the in charachter banter, but it is less intertaining.

It would be foolish of me to assume them evil because of these comments, but it is worth taking a note about. It shows that they to some degree would like to be viewed as people who are focused on catching the evil-doers.

Do you guys really think the content of my single post was some sort of strategy? I hate to disappoint you, but I have a RL and it's more important than WW. I had already taken a sleeping pill at the time I made my post, and while I would've liked to contribute more, I also didn't want to crash on top my keyboard. I hoped to post this morning but I didn't have time, and I've been in class all day. I've had an exhausting week and while I'd like to, I simply don't have tons of energy for WW right now. I'm sorry if I sound irritable, but I am tired and I have no patience for anyone criticising me due to the lack of substance.

Anyways, I never meant to say much in my first post...I felt I should at least check in since I knew I wouldn't be around until late in the Day when half the players are sleeping. But I decided to comment on the banter because while it's entertaining, there was simply too much of it going on...and banter is an easy way for a wraith to hide.

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Originally Posted by Mac

Frodo just wants to win. If the innocent side seems stronger, he'll try to avoid being killed (like everybody), if the evil side seems stronger, he might try to set himself up. I don't think he tries to be killed from toDay on.

I agree. While he may be innocent for the time being, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll continue to act that way. Frodo teeters on the brink between innocence and evil. And I don't think he necessarily has the village's best interests at heart. He'll simply do whatever is best for him.

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Revealing may be the best thing Frodo can do for the village. If we know who he is, as soon as a kill is missed (Frodo is changed) we can lynch him. Also, there is no incentive for a baddie to falsely reveal as Frodo, since changing the real Frodo will get the false Frodo lynched. Maybe he could serve as a known innocent of sorts? Nevertheless, it's up to the ringbearer.

Okay, I find anyone who thinks that Frodo would even consider sacrificing himself at this early stage a bit idealistic. Whoever is Frodo signed up for this game because they want to play...it'd certainly be no fun to give up and reveal from Day 1. I'd think our Frodo would want to have more fun with the role than that. Also, once Frodo is changed, he is on the side of the wraiths. A lynching after he has changed could mean a loss for the wraiths. And why would anyone want to lose?

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Originally Posted by Rune

Unless something dramaticly happens the only other people I would consider are people like Brinn that I hold grudges against

That's a silly reason to vote for someone. If anything, you shouldn't immediately vote someone you have a grudge against because your opinion on them is slanted. No, it's better to wait and give a real reason to vote for them based on posts and behaviour in the current game, and certainly not from experiences in past games. I'll be seriously disappointed in you if you choose to vote for me for that reason alone.

Rikae · 01-22-2009, 07:52 PM

For what it's worth, I, at least, play the role given to me, idealistic though that may be. Regardless of what side he's on, Frodo is not a werebear, out for himself. Ordos work for the village's benefit, so as long as he is one, that's the side he has to play, even if it makes things more difficult later. Don't you think I might love to assign myself the role of unofficial cobbler (in all the games I've played, I've never once been a cobbler)? Only the moddess can tell us for sure, but it seems to me like Frodo turning "cobbler" before he's been turned into a wraith isn't really playing fair.

Of course, Frodo may have good reasons to keep quiet for the time being - but if he's going to play his ordo role to the best of his ability, he might want to think about playing in such a way as to trap his possible future wraith self (who knows, maybe he's smart enough to outfox himself, and the rest of us, in the end, anyway).

Beregond · 01-22-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

Do you guys really think the content of my single post was some sort of strategy? I hate to disappoint you, but I have a RL and it's more important than WW. I had already taken a sleeping pill at the time I made my post, and while I would've liked to contribute more, I also didn't want to crash on top my keyboard. I hoped to post this morning but I didn't have time, and I've been in class all day. I've had an exhausting week and while I'd like to, I simply don't have tons of energy for WW right now. I'm sorry if I sound irritable, but I am tired and I have no patience for anyone criticising me due to the lack of substance.

I was grasping for something, anything, at the time.

And still am. As a newbie I'm trying not to make the easy vote, but... I have to rely, to some extent, on the opinions of others, as I don't want to lynch one of the good guys in an effort to be different. So I'm going to wait a while yet before I make my vote.

Nogrod · 01-22-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

Okay, I find anyone who thinks that Frodo would even consider sacrificing himself at this early stage a bit idealistic.

Oh you cynical Americans! Hasn't Barack Obama thought you anything yet?

(rolleyes for the possible ill-conceived idealism of that phrase...)

If I were Frodo - sorry, Mr. Underhill that is - I would seriously consider revealing it toDay... well I would hope to be able to bet for myself living toMorrow to conceal it in peace for toMorrow - and I would think it not twice but like hundred times... it would be an issue to me, really. A tough one looking at the good of the village and my role in it- and the possible change of my allegiance - and how to undo it before it happens as I would be for the village before the possible turnover. I couldn't play looking at it from the point of view of "let's see if I can choose my side later".

But that's personal.

And anyway we don't know who is Mr. Underhill and that makes it hard. The revealment of your stance (with Agan's and Rikae's) makes me wonder whether we can trust this Underhill fellow anyway... whatever he says s/he is. I started this game trusting he would play on our side and took it for granted but maybe everyone is just for themselves and not for the common good?

*Could it be? Really?*

Or at least some price their individual success higher than the good of their community - and thus themselves as well? I mean what is the good of yours when your neighbours suffer? Can you really enjoy that? Are you a human any more if you can?

One more reason we should stick to socialism like Legate called for!

Coming to the bussiness then as my time runs out definitively.

It becomes between Gollum and Aganzir I think...

There were other terrible reasons but saying you make it random is the worst way of trying to ensure you don't have to stand for your vote later.

But which one?

Gollum acts almost hyperactive at times and that might suggest wolf trying to make better of his earlier submarine style being at stake.

Aganzir votes more clumsily she normally does and claims "random vote" whilst giving some really bad half-excuses for her vote...

++ Gollum

In a way Agan's vote looks more dishonest than Gollum's as her reasons are soo bad and in general her vote is more forced than Gollum's and one should think she would be able to do it better ehatever her role is. But that's just the point: were she a ringwraith she would have been more cunning and careful.

So Gollum looks to me the more promising choice. He has been unexpectedly active and still his posts are mostly devoid of substance and mainly banter when they are not concerned of him trying to paint himself looking good or "correct" any bad ideas about him, his vote is painted as to be a totally random (guilt! guilt! guilt!) & at times his posts are too carefully construed to give an impression of innocense.

ADD: And he's careful enough not to offence anyone or suspect them in a way that might create a backlash...

Greenie -> Gollum
Lommy -> Aganzir
Gollum -> Brinn
Aganzir -> Lari
Legate -> Mac
Shasta -> Lommy
Nogrod -> Gollum (Gollum2, Lommy1, Mac1, Lari1, Brinn1, Agan1)

Good night!

01-22-2009, 07:52 PM	#2
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	For what it's worth, I, at least, play the role given to me, idealistic though that may be. Regardless of what side he's on, Frodo is not a werebear, out for himself. Ordos work for the village's benefit, so as long as he is one, that's the side he has to play, even if it makes things more difficult later. Don't you think I might love to assign myself the role of unofficial cobbler (in all the games I've played, I've never once been a cobbler)? Only the moddess can tell us for sure, but it seems to me like Frodo turning "cobbler" before he's been turned into a wraith isn't really playing fair. Of course, Frodo may have good reasons to keep quiet for the time being - but if he's going to play his ordo role to the best of his ability, he might want to think about playing in such a way as to trap his possible future wraith self (who knows, maybe he's smart enough to outfox himself, and the rest of us, in the end, anyway).