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Boromir88 · 01-11-2009, 03:59 PM

Nog, it is absolutely understandable in a Mod's shoes. Now, I've never been a mod, I told Mith before this one, I don't have the responsibility. We all know the time, and effort, Mods put (especially Mith) to creating a great and enjoyable game. Was it not thought out and a bad prank? Yes. But sometimes knowing you've upset a dear and respected friend, when you didn't mean to at all, is punishment enough.

Shastanis Althreduin · 01-11-2009, 04:59 PM

Most of the reasoning behind the voting was that we thought since Legate wasn't playing, it wouldn't be a "real" vote.

I apologize if we upset you, Mith.

Nogrod · 01-11-2009, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

But sometimes knowing you've upset a dear and respected friend, when you didn't mean to at all, is punishment enough.

So true.

I was just trying to suggest an honourable way out of the stale-mate for you to continue the game...

Gwathagor · 01-11-2009, 05:47 PM

Wow...seems I missed quite a Day.

Ilya · 01-11-2009, 05:59 PM

As someone else who's now off the game? This is an awesome game. Conceptually, all the players, the mechanics of it, in all ways. I'd really hate to see it shut down, as it sounds like the rules were broken but maybe not in an unfixable way. Nog's suggestion is a good one, I think, if Mith wants the game to continue. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

Mithalwen · 01-12-2009, 05:51 AM

Right while Nogrod has put a lot of the situation correctly, I want to speak for myself.

I do not expect that WW game players do not speak to each other at all off game - I know many of us are friends (or related) and incidentally, for myself, I don't intend to let this effect those friendships. I do realise that this was thoughtlessness not malice but the fact is that you put me in a horrible situation and caused me a lot of upset.

This game of deception is based on trust that other than special roles discussion concerning the game is on the game thread. To have half the extant players form a clique to make an in game joke is unacceptable . This is not a private game but open to all downers not just the ones the mod knows also on LJ or Facebook. I hope you can see that the behaviour was unfair. It crossed the boundary of careless remark. I know that it must be particularly hard for some players not to talk but I know as a "lone" player you sometimes get the feeling that you are at a disadvantage so I have to say (without wishing to offend anyone) that I wasn't particulary sorry that there was only one player from some notable werewolfing households. Social interraction fine - discussing votes even joke votes wrong.

I wasn't ecstatic when I was tipped off about this incident but it was the IM aspect of it that was the main problem and how that would affect the players who were "out of the loop".

However I am going to let the game go ahead. No one is modfired.

Day will end 6pm tomorrow because frankly I need a night off from the lot of you.

the phantom · 01-17-2009, 12:23 PM

I told you I knew what you were up to, Boro.

Mithalwen · 01-17-2009, 12:27 PM

Roles -

Kath, Boro and Phantom were preselected. I had one request for ordo status which I granted - the rest were literally pulled out of a bag. I nearly redrew when I saw that Fea was a wolf again - as in both other games but since it seemed to give a balanced game inc a newbie wolf (and since they live in such close proximity it seemed better that they were in roles where they didn't have to hide!!) I left it. My only real wildcard was Strongbow but I am told he was very active on his last game so I can only assume force Majeur and hope he is ok.

01-11-2009, 03:59 PM	#1
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Nog, it is absolutely understandable in a Mod's shoes. Now, I've never been a mod, I told Mith before this one, I don't have the responsibility. We all know the time, and effort, Mods put (especially Mith) to creating a great and enjoyable game. Was it not thought out and a bad prank? Yes. But sometimes knowing you've upset a dear and respected friend, when you didn't mean to at all, is punishment enough. __________________ Fenris Penguin

01-11-2009, 04:59 PM	#2
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Most of the reasoning behind the voting was that we thought since Legate wasn't playing, it wouldn't be a "real" vote. I apologize if we upset you, Mith. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

01-11-2009, 05:47 PM	#4
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Wow...seems I missed quite a Day. __________________ Stories and songs.

01-11-2009, 05:59 PM	#5
Ilya Wight Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: In the cold Posts: 202	As someone else who's now off the game? This is an awesome game. Conceptually, all the players, the mechanics of it, in all ways. I'd really hate to see it shut down, as it sounds like the rules were broken but maybe not in an unfixable way. Nog's suggestion is a good one, I think, if Mith wants the game to continue. Anyway, that's my 2 cents. __________________ Arvedui III has walked to Rivendell!

01-12-2009, 05:51 AM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	La Clemenza di Mithalwen Right while Nogrod has put a lot of the situation correctly, I want to speak for myself. I do not expect that WW game players do not speak to each other at all off game - I know many of us are friends (or related) and incidentally, for myself, I don't intend to let this effect those friendships. I do realise that this was thoughtlessness not malice but the fact is that you put me in a horrible situation and caused me a lot of upset. This game of deception is based on trust that other than special roles discussion concerning the game is on the game thread. To have half the extant players form a clique to make an in game joke is unacceptable . This is not a private game but open to all downers not just the ones the mod knows also on LJ or Facebook. I hope you can see that the behaviour was unfair. It crossed the boundary of careless remark. I know that it must be particularly hard for some players not to talk but I know as a "lone" player you sometimes get the feeling that you are at a disadvantage so I have to say (without wishing to offend anyone) that I wasn't particulary sorry that there was only one player from some notable werewolfing households. Social interraction fine - discussing votes even joke votes wrong. I wasn't ecstatic when I was tipped off about this incident but it was the IM aspect of it that was the main problem and how that would affect the players who were "out of the loop". However I am going to let the game go ahead. No one is modfired. Day will end 6pm tomorrow because frankly I need a night off from the lot of you. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 01-13-2009 at 07:31 AM.

01-17-2009, 12:23 PM	#7
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I told you I knew what you were up to, Boro. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

01-17-2009, 12:27 PM	#8
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	Ok Roles - Kath, Boro and Phantom were preselected. I had one request for ordo status which I granted - the rest were literally pulled out of a bag. I nearly redrew when I saw that Fea was a wolf again - as in both other games but since it seemed to give a balanced game inc a newbie wolf (and since they live in such close proximity it seemed better that they were in roles where they didn't have to hide!!) I left it. My only real wildcard was Strongbow but I am told he was very active on his last game so I can only assume force Majeur and hope he is ok. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace