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[Nogrod]

Less than three pages! Are you all having sore throats or something?

So it seems that Boro and tp are at it again. Or at least they're giving out the impression they are at it again. Jolly good. I'd leave them to try and survive a few Nights first eg. I'm not willing to lynch either of them at least without some very serious arguments.

As well I'd be keen to see all those returning to the game for some time in at least a few Days with the same reservations: a believable case makes me chnge my mind.

Blah, I need to vote in about an hour so I'll jump back and see if there's anything that could help.

[Boromir88]

Boromir 88 - is the divo, of course.~Fea

It's great to see you think that, quite an honor, seriously. However, I must say I'm not divo material, what is it that you, Mith, and Rikae likened to me as...oh that's right a whipping boy who had to cater to the Mods every whim. A divo would imply greatness, a certain air of quality - that's an aura I don't have. Or an aroma of arrogance, something else that I don't posess.

So, I would say either you or tp fit the diva/o description best. And if tp's the seer - well then, what are you?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boro

I despise both of them, but that Sooner should have shut his mouth against UF, Tebow will show him a running QB I fear. I hope OU gets destroyed and Bradford has a horrible game, just so the Lions hopefully won't take him with the 1st pick.

I almost have to vote you for this, Boro. State pride and all that.

*still reading, but thinking of voting for Nogrod based on what he's read so far*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

My world is dust now
And all I loved is dead.
Oh, let me trust now
In what my master said;
"There is a sweetness in every woe."
It must be so. It must be so.
The dawn will find me
Alone in some strange land
But men are kindly; they'll give a helping hand.
So said my master, and he must know;
It must be so, it must be so!

++TGWBS

Will explain on the morrow. Ciao!

[Nogrod]

Okay. First a look at the one-posters...

Kath came early to say: "doesn't seem much to post about yet so I'll be lurking". I think I have said this about thousand times but I do still dislike the tactics of posting once (or not at all) on Day1 and getting through with it leaving the dirty work and especially the risk of a lynch to be carried by others. I could vote her on principle.

Gollum complained about there being three pages (sic!). Said he had a "horrible suspicion" on Bowie. Said: "Well, this is my daily post. Enjoy, everyone." Well, I didn't enjoy it and if he intends to post only once per Day with that quality I might be ready to make one shot in the dark into that direction.

Shasta lightly / half-banterishly threathened tp and Boro and promised to be more verbal later. I'm willing to give him a chance to prove his word.

Cailineomer. It's nice to see that double-person back in the games and they should stay. Although it must be said that even if their post was amusing it was totally devoid of any content, and the vote was if not pure evil then at least serving evil interests.

So from these four I could vote for Kath or Gollum. But I still hope to be able to find a bit more probable wolves...

[Nogrod]

Interestingly both Gwath and Sally who are pretty high on the post count have been careful enough not to voice a single suspicion against anyone. Their posting has been mainly banter or then in Sally's case saying why (pretty random reasons) she wants some to live and in Gwath's case defending himself from basically non-existent accusations.

References

"WW-manual", rule no.7 - the one I always manage not to obey - "be nice to many enough people or at least don't suspect too many at the same time if you wish to live long as people will feel bad when suspected and are thus more prone to vote for you".

"Ways to catch a werewolf", hint no.5: "a werewolf feels s/he is suspected and accused all the time - which is just natural as they live in a hostile environment anyway - so they tend to overreact to even small suspicions feeling the need to defend themselves - also they tend to be a wee bit grumpy when discussed".

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

"a werewolf feels s/he is suspected and accused all the time - which is just natural as they live in a hostile environment anyway - so they tend to overreact to even small suspicions feeling the need to defend themselves - also they tend to be a wee bit grumpy when discussed".

The only problem with this, Nog, is that innocents are typically - in my experience - more irritated when they're unjustly suspected, because wolves know what they're in for, but ordos usually feel like it should be obvious that they're ordos.

So I would adjust that to say that werewolves become hostile over little suspicions, but it's usually ordos who overreact to major ones.

[Nogrod]

From Menel I get quite innocent vibes. Or at least he plays like he plays and that has sent him to the gallows so many times ealy on just showing him innocent. So I wouldn't like to continue that tradition.

Ilya is hard one to interpret. I'm not sure it merits lynching yet but constant watch to be sure.

Bowie has played quite a hunker-down game as well so far but his remarks on not caring about the cobbler on Day1 (and especially that which followed: "I think it's a Day 2 problem. And then we kill them") do seem a bit fishy. Now that I think of it the "cobbler is not Day1 problem" -thing could be counted as just being unthoughtful but the quote in brackets indeed started to bother me a lot more...

Brinn has been veery-very careful. Like she always is. The problem is that she can pull that most innocent-looking air also when a wolf. But she shouldn't be lynched at least toDay I say.

Auch... have to vote in a minute... (I'm going to choir rehersals which I somehow find a most fitting thing indeed)

[Nogrod]

Okay. Gwath has also been lynched on Day1 a few times for playing the way he does so I'm a bit reluctant to help bringing that decision on once again so I will go for

++ Sally

She can be amusing throughout the game but she can also kill people at Night under that playful appearance.

I might have gone for Bowie as well but this is his second game (if I'm right) so let's see how he will fare later in the game, well at least toMorrow.


Fea: adjustement accepted.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Who's in my time zone...

Mac- deadline's noon, right?

Day one votes are always a pot shot anyway.

I know I'll not be voting;

Lariren (newbie)
Kath (no red flags raised at the mo')
Shasta or Nog (I need boys around who think in a more streamlined manner than me)
the phantom (because come day three, I'm going to want a plan from him. )
Bowie or Mac (no warning bells a'ringin')
TGWBWild (he's funny)
B88 (because he tried so hard to give me a filibuster...)
Cailineomer (because it would amuse me if xe was singularly both lovers at once)

Which leaves me with

Sally
Ilya
Brinniel
Gwath
Meneltarmacil
Gollum the Great

I'm tempted to vote Brinn for the whole evil seer/good seer thing in Di's game. But as that doesn't really pertain to this game...

I don't really know.

I'll ponder (and by ponder I mean try to find a pair of great boots online) and come back in a bit.

[Boromir88]

Interestingly both Gwath and Sally who are pretty high on the post count have been careful enough not to voice a single suspicion against anyone.~Nog

Yee-gads I said I wasn't going to do this. Good point about sally, but I'm not sure why you would use this accusation against Gwath. He hasn't made a post in a while, his last post was still relatively early (some 6 hours in) - look at the chatter - what are you expecting?

sally I can see, she's been hanging around but hasn't quite made a mark yet. Even with providing amusement, that typically is stuff that gets forgotten. I present to you exit polls of favorite LOTR characters immediately after watching FOTR and from an on-line survey 6 months later

Cinema

Aragorn 20%
Legolas 17%
Sam 15%
Gandalf 12%
Gollum 11%
Gimli 9%
Frodo 6%
Arwen 2%

Online

Aragorn 29%
Sam 23%
Gandalf 15%
Legolas 11%
Frodo 7%
Gollum 7%

From Chapter 7 of Watching the Lord of the Rings -Tolkien's World Audiences

There is a growth in Aragorn, Sam, Gandalf, these characters have staying power, they are the strong characters. While the hot (Legolas) and funny (Gimli) drop significantly - amusement provides no significant staying power. These are the ones who go forgotten after a period of time. And someone wanting to be forgotten worries me.

sally, wishing to amuse us, make us feel good with you, while we spin around in circles, eh?

Edit: fixing the tables and crossing with Nogrod

[the guy who be short]

Feanor list no make Wild Man feel any better. Feanor suspect nobody. Feanor give no real information. Frivolous.

Menel. Post 32 - Say no lynch the tricksies. No why.

Post 40 - Aganzir banter. No want triple lynch. This can be critic-thought, but can be innocent-thought.

Post 64 - Agree cobbler great danger. Say perhaps phantom cobbler.

Post 92 - Ask Mac why Mac find Menel suspicious. Nazgul banter.

Wild Man still not comfortable. Seem present, but careful, accuse nobody. But Nogrod say this normal.

Nogrod vote Sally. Wild Man say: fair. But Wild Man think Kath-Gollum better choice.

Therefore Wild Man have many choice for vote. Fea-Kath-Gollum, all no vote. Menel, one vote, but Wild Man less willing to vote.

[the guy who be short]

Deadline in two man-hour.

Boro make valid point about Sally.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

Deadline in two man-hour.

Got it. Thanks.

[Mithalwen]

Nogrod voted? Nogrod voted first? Nogrod voted hours before the deadline....

If he were a horse there would be a stewards enquiry.

[Boromir88]

Lariren gets the complimentary pass for today, we also serve a complimentary continental breakfast too. There's even waffles!

Every one not named

Mith
Lariren
tgwbs
the phantom
Fea
Menel
Nogrod
Cailin

is eligible for a vote from me. I'm out for lunch and will return before the dead line.

Edit: By eligible I obviously mean "legible," wow that was worse than balogna. And I'm not even sure if that word can be used in the way I'm trying to use it.

Edit 2: Wait scratch that, I do mean "eligible" that is a word, it's one of those that just don't look right.

[Kath]

Haha whatever Nogbod, you just want to vote for me because I finally got to kill you early last game.

Ahem, and back to this one. I've been keeping up with events during the day but haven't really thought about anything properly yet. I'll go read through the thread with a more analytical mind and see if anything pops up.

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Lariren gets the complimentary pass for today, we also serve a complimentary continental breakfast too. There's even waffles!

I like waffles.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Nog. I don't know - there's just something I don't like. His question/accusation against Gwath was rather bad. Besides I think it was phrased rather like an accusation, and later he accused Gwath of taking it too seriously. Also I don't like his 'double lynch on day 1 would be riskier for the critics than innocents' logic.

That's actually a very good point. It would be like the guilty party to want to try to kill more than one innocent on the first day. Now I shall have to rethink my voting(though I haven't actually voted yet).

[the phantom]

Okay...

Fea, Nogrod, Mac, and Boro are all up to something. Of course that doesn't mean we should lynch them. They might even be Ordos purposefully looking like they're up to something in order to draw a Night-kill. But then again, perhaps one of them is the deadly Cobbler. And one is a Critic.

But really, I'm not ready to try lynching one of them on Day 1. I want to see more of them, and I want to see who the Critics attempt to kill.

Right now I'm tempted to do a Nogrod and consider voting on principle. I won't be following his vote for Sally though. I very much want to see her live at least two more days. Let her make some accusations and such.

[Lariren Shadow]

As for who I suspect, I’m going to try to do it sort of in song:

I have confidence in TGWBS
I have confidence in Sally
I have confidence the phantom is entertaining!
As you can see I have no confidence in my parody!

So that being said/sang. I’ll go through the rest:

Ilya – For some reason her post that was slightly confusing about the lovers made me a little suspicious. Of her being what, I’m not sure, but that she does have a more active roll.

Brinniel –Seems innocent to me.

Fea- Admitted to being a wolf, but then said that that would make her not a wolf. Pretty much keeping my eye on her. Could secretly be the diva.

Kath - Have no comment on therefore think is innocent.

Aganzir – No idea there.

Gwath – Is very vocal and slightly defensive about it. Leads me to be slightly suspicious of his intents.

Shasta – I will keep alive because he mentioned Movies in Fifteen Minutes. Therefore is awesome.

Nogrod – Seems to be very observant, gives me the idea that he could possibly be the seer.

Meneltarmacil – I’m suspicious about. For no other real reason than am.

Strongbow - Nothing.

Macalaure – No idea. But I have a feeling I should be suspicious(if only based on the conversations/sigs that I've seen).

Gollum the Great – I wish I could say something but got nothing.

Boro – In another canidate for the seer. But entertaining as well.

Cailineomer – Again no idea.

That’s what I have to say. I leaning towards voting for Ilya for just my suspicions.

[Gollum the Great]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Gollum complained about there being three pages (sic!). Said he had a "horrible suspicion" on Bowie. Said: "Well, this is my daily post. Enjoy, everyone." Well, I didn't enjoy it and if he intends to post only once per Day with that quality I might be ready to make one shot in the dark into that direction.

I do not intend to post only once a day this game. I mentioned in the admin thread that my first day or two would be full, and werewolf (as much as I would like it to be so) is not at the top of my priority list. My thought on Strongbow is nothing more than a nebulous idea. (I still haven't read the whole game)