Tol-in-Gaurhoth LIV: The Council of Evil

[Boromir88]

I do!
At least I can try to. ~Agan

If you are trying to manipulate me so you can devour me at night, I must say it's working.

Boro, when you said to Bowie that the feeling (of slight suspicion) was mutual, what did you mean?

Basically it is because of all the Gwath talk earlier. Someone in there is bound to be furry (either wolf or bear).

First you, Agan:

Also, I'm suspicious of Gwath because of his maybe-you-knew-because-you're-the-bear comment,

Gwath. Because of that "Maybe you are the werebear and that's how you knew." suggestion.

And then others start following suit:

I do find Gwathagor's accusation against Strongbow to be a bit out of line. It seems like Gwath is grasping at straws to find something to say, not unlike a traitor distracting us from his plans.~Menel

Gwath - I can't be sure of anything, but you don't trust me for my knowledge of the enemy. My eye is also on you, even more so than the Blue Wizard. - Suspicion~Strongbow

Gwath - I'm suspiciousish, but honestly I think it's because other people are suspiciousish of Gwath, and he looked guilty last game too, so I'm holding off on my pitchfork for now.~Ilya

Gwath- For one, he asks for info on the werebear and then attacks the answerer. Granted, Strongbow is a newbie (to WW, but not Mafia), but I think he definately overreacted.~Eonwe

Now with all those people announcing suspicion, logic plus a simple application of odds/statistics would say one is up to no good.

One of these days Gwath will turn up to be a baddie and it will come back to be the end of me, maybe that will be the end of me. However, I find it far more suspicious that we have all these numbers attaching on to the Gwath suspicion, than Gwath's own rather odd posts.

I know I said I would give Menel and Strongbow a pass today, but hey I'm more than willing to cancel that.

Of those, Eonwe looks the most innocent. He gives some reasonable logic to suspecting Gwath and Agan you first pointed it out. Plus your efforts to get some action today look good. If you are innocent, I would say they worked, I mean we don't have many posts, but you certainly got a lot of people talking about Gwath.

Menel accuses Gwath of grasping at straws, but that's a general accusation that can be applied to almost anyone, especially at Day 1. And I don't like the last phrase:

not unlike a traitor distracting us from his plans.

It looks like something Nogrod did to Gwath before. That is Gwath did this, and a wolf would do that, thus Gwath must be a wolf.

Strongbow makes it personal - that is since Gwath suspects him he suspects Gwath more than the Blue Wizard (me).

And I recant my trusting feeling about Ilya, because that just looks like an attempt to lynch Gwath but in the process not make herself too attached. That is saying Gwath is somewhat suspicious, but she won't pursue it further today. But, you encouraging others to go after Gwath if they want to - eh Ilya?

Edit: Crossed since Agan's #49

[Eönwë]

DL in half an hour, people!

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

DL in half an hour, people!

Really? I thought it would be like an hour and a quarter from this moment... Any other possible deadlines? Let's everyone have our own deadlines? I could push my DL for tomorrow.

[Strongbow]

(Cross my fingers that I don't cross with anybody)

Boro - either Gwath or I are furry, eh? You've already given me reprieve, so I don't think that today I'll make a putsch against you. I'm wary, but no longer suspicious.

Agan - first off: sauna's are instruments of evil. Everybody knows this. Now that that bit of important business has been cleared out, I'd have to say that you're directing the bandwagon to shed suspicion on Gwath. Not to say that I don't mind, seeing as Gwath went after me a bit.

Eonwe - says I'm being oversuspected. I like this. This not taken into consideration, Eonwe also doesn't really cause a blip on my radar for the moment.

Ilya - I'm up to something, apparently. Not so. Not suspicious, but not innocent enough for me.

Gwath - Says I'm the Bear, then goes to radio silence.

Basically, I don't think we should jump to conclusions. Who knows? We could be missing the villains altogether.

Edit: I forgot a bracket.

Edit2: For English! I forgot what it was in my Eonwe line.

[Eönwë]

Only 15 minutes left- hurry up!

[Eönwë]

Ok, I have to go now.

This seems to have been a very unproductive Day so far (and we only have a quarter of an hour left). Since my "list" post I haven't seen anything to really change my opinion, so I vote:

++Gwathagor

edit: x-ed. Really? Well, it's too late now. I might be back around if so, but I'm not sure.

[Aganzir]

I'm back.

No it's still a bit over an hour till deadline.

Off to read (not that there is much).

[Aganzir]

Nog you're making me laugh an awful lot.

Originally Posted by Boro

If you are trying to manipulate me so you can devour me at night, I must say it's working.

Nah I'm a sweet little werewolf who'd never ever devour anyone.

My first comment regarding Gwath was more of an attempt to get some talk than a real suspicion. And although I have phrased it that way a few times, I don't think Gwath was suspecting Bowie - it could rather be interpreted as him trying to make others suspect him. Or then grasping at straws because there's nothing else.

I agree with Boro that Eönwë looks the most innocent of those who suspected Gwath.
I don't find Menel that suspicious either, mainly because I agree with him. But I do agree with Boro (gah why am I agreeing with him all the time again? I don't want to!) about the last phrase. It would look far less suspicious if it was "like a traitor &c" instead of "not unlike a traitor &c". Then again I find the way Menel phrases things always suspicious so I could give him the benefit of doubt for today.
At least Ilya is being honest, but I suspected her because of that in last game because honesty is as good a cover for a wolf as any.
I don't know about Bowie. In a way he seemed a bit overreactive given the amount of suspicion Gwath had expressed, but apart from that he's quite innocentish.

Originally Posted by Bowie

Agan - first off: sauna's are instruments of evil. Everybody knows this.

Bah no way! You're hurting my nationalist pride (earlier I wasn't aware I had any)!

Also, I don't think I'm directing the bandwagon to Gwath. I was the first to come up with the subject but I haven't been pursuing him since. And I'm unlikely to vote for him unless I really can't come up with anyone else.

edit: xed with Gollum and Noggins

[Gollum the Great]

I may be late to give an ending for the day by an hour or two, I'll be away from the internet and not a position to get at it. But with the extended night I don't think this should be a problem.

[Strongbow]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

[I don't know about Bowie. In a way he seemed a bit overreactive given the amount of suspicion Gwath had expressed, but apart from that he's quite innocentish.

Only because the finger that points to me will be cut down swiftly and surely.

This being said, I'm not really going to hound Gwath because of the radio silence. While lurking is a tell, it can also be a lack of time.

Ergo:

++Brinn

Last standing, first down. And a little to open about her roleclaims.

x'd with Boro and Agan.

[Nogrod]

Where's that sneakin' lil' vermin when you need him? Hey you Gollum-creature, what's the deadline?

Only two votes in, right? So it's not DL yet says my troll-brain.

EDIT: X'd with Agan... okay someone else thinks the same, good.

[Gollum the Great]

Hmmmmm.......


I thought that the DL was in about an hour. Who made up this "in 15 minutes" thing? or perhaps someone thought we were still onto 5 PM EST.

[Nogrod]

A quick-list to get some order into my own head as well.

Aganzir - not a Day1 lynch. Should be left to the mercy of the bad baddies on the first Days.

Boromir88 - see Agan.

Brinniel - the sneakiest ever ww-player who once again looks soo genuine with her happiness about having no role. Should be lynched just to be sure.

Eonwë - tends to end up being an easy lynch in the erly Days and basically turns out innocent. Not my choice toDay.

Gwathagor - see Eonwë and multiply that bad luck times ten.

Meneltarmacil - see Eonwë.

Ilya - nothing to say thus far.

Isabellkya - not seen around...

Kath - see Izzy.

Sally - see Izzy.

Shasta - see Izzy.

Strongbow - newbies shouldn't be lynched on Day1 without good reasons.


Note1. Funny that people are kind of alphabetically organised in groups.

Note2. One third not posting on Day1 is bad. Although I wouldn't have posted either if Agan hadn't told me the game was on already. So I'm not holding it against them - nor do I hold it as an rgument for their innocence. For example I came online an hour ago or something and had no idea of my role as I logged in. So it's also perfectly possible they are in a same situation. And mathematically one of them at least is against us.

Note3. We seem to be facing even tougher choices than on normal Day1 because of the lack of posting / posters. But let's not call them random. Give reasons for your votes, please, even if they aren't heavyweight-stuff.

*goes back thinking*

[Nogrod]

Blahh! The sporty-player in me tells me I should vote for Brinn or Ilya then.

Another choice is picking someone from that Gwath-waggon as I do also agree it looks more lupine than Gwath's original statement Agan pointed out. The wolves need easy and street-credible causes to use on Day1 and that one looks nice looking at the overall silence and uneventfulness of this Day. The problem is that we seem to have there the usual suspects once again...

Or maybe we should start on concentrating on this "let's suspect those who suspected Gwath of suspecting Bowie" -gang?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Aganzir - not a Day1 lynch. Should be left to the mercy of the bad baddies on the first Days.

Bah people always want to get me killed by wolves! I'm much more useful alive, I tell you! Think how silent it will be later on when a third of the village is away the whole day and I'm dead.

Anyway I agree about practically everything on your list (garr I don't want to agree with people!).

Right now I think I could vote Brinn although I'm not all that sure about her either. But at least she voted for an innocent, and after her performance in last game I'm not that happy with giving her the benefit of doubt.

edit: xed with Nog & Boro