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Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-19-2008, 11:39 AM

File saved. Errr, save filled.

Now Óin may encounter yet something before he comes home, but at least I have time to focus also on the others, Onli (when he finishes what he is doing now) and also Lóni. Well, fine. Let's see how this goes

Groin Redbeard · 12-19-2008, 02:00 PM

Hurrah! I've been keeping my eye on that post in hopes that it would be filled soon and I am glad to say that I was not disappointed. Well done, Legate.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Legate

Just one checking thing - Groin, Lommy, especially you two - do you have any more concrete idea how many Orcs approaching are we talking here? At least this party which Óin could see now.

I don't think that Lommy and I have discussed this (and if we have, Lommy please refresh my memory

) but it would have to be a considerable amount seeing that the orcs don't know if the colonists have had any reinforcements from Erebor and also if they mean to storm the halls it would have to be a huge arm. I might say that it is as large as 5,000 strong. Does this sound good to you?

I will get a post up for Nali today and bring Korin, and possibly Kor, to the council. Gwathagor, I'm ready to begin the council after I post so if you want to get a response up for Frar that would be great!

Thinlómien · 12-19-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

I don't think that Lommy and I have discussed this (and if we have, Lommy please refresh my memory

) but it would have to be a considerable amount seeing that the orcs don't know if the colonists have had any reinforcements from Erebor and also if they mean to storm the halls it would have to be a huge arm. I might say that it is as large as 5,000 strong. Does this sound good to you?

I suck with numbers, so whatever you say is fine by me.

(And no, we didn't discuss it earlier.

)

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-19-2008, 03:09 PM

Well, 5000 is quite a lot. It is half of what attacked Helm's Deep. Théoden came with 6000 riders to Pelennor. If this is going to be 5000, that would have to be everything that really came to Moria. I would imagine that the Orcs who later were in Moria did not come all at once. But okay, it could be several thousand, possibly. Or does anyone else have anything to say to that?

Lilly · 12-19-2008, 03:16 PM

Perhaps I missed it, but - how many Dwarves are we thinking there are in Khazad-dum at present? And what would be the breakdown into #'s of men, women, children, do you think?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-19-2008, 03:26 PM

That is actually a good question. To the latter, certainly there will be far, far, far more men than women and children, if only because there were always too few women among Dwarves. I think it may be even something like 70% (or even 80?) of men, and some really small number of children (there should be even less of them than women - and far less, because for the time of the existence of the colony there hardly were more than a few born. If I say five children born there, then I am highly, highly overdoing it. And I don't think many parents with children would choose to venture into these uncertain, though of course legendary areas).

And the number of the Dwarves really should not be very big. We are certainly talking less than thousands here. But I am not really good in counting things like this.

Lilly · 12-19-2008, 03:39 PM

Also - is it a foregone conclusion that every one of the Dwarves in K-d dies? Any wiggle room there?

Groin Redbeard · 12-19-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilly

Perhaps I missed it, but - how many Dwarves are we thinking there are in Khazad-dum at present? And what would be the breakdown into #'s of men, women, children, do you think?

I have read somewhere that the usual ratio for men to women with Dwarfs are 3/1, and the same with children. I don't know about y'all but I would say that that ratio would be greater in favor of the men in Moria, especially since it was considered a dangerous place. I think that the ratio would be 5/1 in this case, with almost no kids, the twins and grandchildren are probably some of the few that the dwarves brought with them. What I'm saying isn't set in stone, I'm just thinking out-loud here.

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Originally Posted by Lilly

Also - is it a foregone conclusion that every one of the Dwarves in K-d dies? Any wiggle room there?

No wiggle room! Everyone must die!

Daaark RPG here!

If we were to use this idea the only time that I think it probable is when the Dwarves try to exit the Hollin Gate and a few get past the Watcher in all the confusion. Although, this would mean that those survivors could not get in-touch with any civilization in the nearly sixty years that elapse between the fall of Balin and the coming of the Fellowship. If they were to come in contact with anyone I am sure that they couldn't help but spill the beans on the whole matter. Not to say that we couldn't do this, just thinking out-loud again.

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12-19-2008, 03:09 PM	#4
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Well, 5000 is quite a lot. It is half of what attacked Helm's Deep. Théoden came with 6000 riders to Pelennor. If this is going to be 5000, that would have to be everything that really came to Moria. I would imagine that the Orcs who later were in Moria did not come all at once. But okay, it could be several thousand, possibly. Or does anyone else have anything to say to that? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

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Lilly Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 65	Perhaps I missed it, but - how many Dwarves are we thinking there are in Khazad-dum at present? And what would be the breakdown into #'s of men, women, children, do you think? __________________ “Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.” – Gimli, Fellowship of the Ring

12-19-2008, 03:26 PM	#6
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	That is actually a good question. To the latter, certainly there will be far, far, far more men than women and children, if only because there were always too few women among Dwarves. I think it may be even something like 70% (or even 80?) of men, and some really small number of children (there should be even less of them than women - and far less, because for the time of the existence of the colony there hardly were more than a few born. If I say five children born there, then I am highly, highly overdoing it. And I don't think many parents with children would choose to venture into these uncertain, though of course legendary areas). And the number of the Dwarves really should not be very big. We are certainly talking less than thousands here. But I am not really good in counting things like this. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

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Lilly Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 65	Also - is it a foregone conclusion that every one of the Dwarves in K-d dies? Any wiggle room there? __________________ “Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.” – Gimli, Fellowship of the Ring