The Middle Earth Popularity Cup - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Tuor in Gondolin · 12-04-2008, 01:50 PM

Somehow with Mim and Sauron the Gilligan's Island
episode of Jack and the Beanstalk with "Gilligan"
running between the giant's legs comes to mind.

So, since petty dwarves "get no respect"

+ + Mim

Also:

Quote:

Why vote for the lesser of two evils?

I thought you should always vote for the lesser of two weevils?

A Little Green · 12-04-2008, 02:48 PM

++ Sauron

Talking about the Sil Sauron now, of course - LotR Sauron is plain boring. Sauron is pretty cool in the Sil, whereas Mîm is one of those characters I have never especially liked. Of evil and slightly nasty, I choose the evil.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-04-2008, 03:03 PM

While I fancy Sauron (also, especially the Sil one... or more concretely, the "Gorlim" one; or then the "Pharazon" one), still, I became really fond of Mîm. And now thinking of it, aww, his tale is just so painfully sad - losing both of his sons in such a horrible way! (Not to mention him being the last of his kind.) No, actually, my favourite is clear! Pity wins.

++Mîm

I really wish he would win.

Oh, and, besides - he had a cool prophecy. Oh...

Thinlómien · 12-04-2008, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate

++Mîm

I really wish he would win.

I don't. So

++Sauron

Mwahaha.

Erm... okay.

But yes, I like him better, (although I don't really like either him or Mîm). It's all that scary Silm stuff that has already been mentioned.

And as for pity, I'm actually going further than Gandalf himself. I think I even pity Sauron, on some level. I pity the great talent and the soul of an artist that were - in a way - lost when Morgoth corrupted him.

Now I know! It's more or less the same as my pity for Darth Vader...

Nogrod · 12-04-2008, 03:59 PM

So Beleg overtook Frodo Baggins himself!

Yay! This is getting interesting indeed!

So the next major character to be dropped is Sauron, right? Let's see a carnival here and let the fresh winds blow!

Oh, just a minute, the pairs in this round look like Skip has made sure some of the top idols will survive anyway... There goes the grand scheme.

But in that case I'm going to vote for

++ Sauron

As said already here - and discussed in a separate thread lately - the Silm-Sauron is just magnificiently interesting character (unlike the LotR-Sauron who is just the abstract evil with no qualities eg. a different literal and philosophical idea).

And although I have almost always felt a deep sympathy with Mím (probably not the first time I read the Silmarillion as I was too young to appreciate him back then as a kid) there has always been something in his character I have disliked. I mean the sorrow of a father who lost his sons and the knowledge of being the last of one's kind are great and moving themes. But there still is something in the "petty" pride he has that has always been something like a turn-off for me. I don't know if it's cultural inheritance or something but there it is and I can't help it. I know I should think more highly of him but I just can't - at least if I have to make a choice between him and Sauron of the Silmarillion...

the phantom · 12-04-2008, 02:57 PM

Let us compare these two- Mim and Sauron.
----
Mim- He has a chapter in a book named after him (Of Mim the Dwarf).

Sauron- One of the best selling books of all time is named after him (The Lord of the Rings).
----
Mim- Brought about the destruction of a group of men living on a hill.

Sauron- Brought about the destruction of Numenor and Arnor.
----
Mim- Responsible for the deaths of the men upon Amon Rhud.

Sauron- Responsible for the deaths of thousands, perhaps millions.
----
Mim- Directly responsible for slaying... erm... probably a rabbit at least.

Sauron- Directly slew the High King of the Elves and the King of Gondor.
----
Mim- Caused Turin to be captured.

Sauron- Caused Valinor to be removed from the world.
----
Mim- Attempted to take over the empty halls of Nargothrond. Did not succeed. Stopped by an old man.

Sauron- Attempted to take over the world. Nearly succeeded. Stopped by Eru.
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Mim- Left behind no legacy.

Sauron- Without Sauron, no Tol-In-Gaurhoth. He will live on through our Werewolf games forever.
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Yeah... Take a wild guess at which way my vote is gonna go.

++Sauron

mormegil · 12-04-2008, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Mim- Left behind no legacy.

Doesn't the fact that I voted for him leave a legacy?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tummy

We see so much less of Beleg when compared to Frodo- pages and pages less. And yet in that little bit of time we have with him Beleg proves that he is an amazing person. If we had the exposure to him we have to Frodo, I think Beleg would win this contest quite easily.

and yet...

Quote:

Mim- He has a chapter in a book named after him (Of Mim the Dwarf).

Sauron- One of the best selling books of all time is named after him (The Lord of the Rings).

Odd contradiction here tummy. So you can vote for Beleg, which was a good choice, on the grounds that he made an impact in such a short segment and yet you use the same reasoning against Mim.

the phantom · 12-04-2008, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morm

Odd contradiction here tummy. So you can vote for Beleg, which was a good choice, on the grounds that he made an impact in such a short segment and yet you use the same reasoning against Mim.

I think not. My point on Beleg is that in his short appearance he manages to be quite awesome. Mim was not, so the two are completely different. I believed that if Beleg had received equal text time that he would've blown Frodo away. In other words, we got to know Frodo better, and that gave him an advantage. Beleg was every bit as kind, forgiving, etc all the other virtues Frodo had, only the Elf got less coverage.

Mim and Sauron on the other hand- my point about them had not to do with textual coverage, but that Sauron was so ridiculously important that a book was named after him. THE book in terms of Middle-Earth. Tolkien could have spent every day of his life writing Mim's life story, and he still would've been but a speck next to Sauron. No amount of increased coverage could catch him up.

Gollum the Great · 12-04-2008, 05:48 PM

++Gorthaur

Mim is a little brat who thinks he's the one who matters. I despise that sort.

Groin Redbeard · 12-04-2008, 06:29 PM

++Sauron

However much I like dwarves, I have to vote for the most interesting character out of the two. For me the equation is likability over interest, Sauron is far more interesting than Mim.

Strongbow · 12-04-2008, 06:41 PM

++Sauron

Ash Sauron durbatulûk.

12-04-2008, 02:48 PM	#2
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	++ Sauron Talking about the Sil Sauron now, of course - LotR Sauron is plain boring. Sauron is pretty cool in the Sil, whereas Mîm is one of those characters I have never especially liked. Of evil and slightly nasty, I choose the evil. __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

12-04-2008, 03:03 PM	#3
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	While I fancy Sauron (also, especially the Sil one... or more concretely, the "Gorlim" one; or then the "Pharazon" one), still, I became really fond of Mîm. And now thinking of it, aww, his tale is just so painfully sad - losing both of his sons in such a horrible way! (Not to mention him being the last of his kind.) No, actually, my favourite is clear! Pity wins. ++Mîm I really wish he would win. Oh, and, besides - he had a cool prophecy. Oh... __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-04-2008, 03:59 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	So Beleg overtook Frodo Baggins himself! Yay! This is getting interesting indeed! So the next major character to be dropped is Sauron, right? Let's see a carnival here and let the fresh winds blow! Oh, just a minute, the pairs in this round look like Skip has made sure some of the top idols will survive anyway... There goes the grand scheme. But in that case I'm going to vote for ++ Sauron As said already here - and discussed in a separate thread lately - the Silm-Sauron is just magnificiently interesting character (unlike the LotR-Sauron who is just the abstract evil with no qualities eg. a different literal and philosophical idea). And although I have almost always felt a deep sympathy with Mím (probably not the first time I read the Silmarillion as I was too young to appreciate him back then as a kid) there has always been something in his character I have disliked. I mean the sorrow of a father who lost his sons and the knowledge of being the last of one's kind are great and moving themes. But there still is something in the "petty" pride he has that has always been something like a turn-off for me. I don't know if it's cultural inheritance or something but there it is and I can't help it. I know I should think more highly of him but I just can't - at least if I have to make a choice between him and Sauron of the Silmarillion... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-04-2008, 02:57 PM	#6
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Let us compare these two- Mim and Sauron. ---- Mim- He has a chapter in a book named after him (Of Mim the Dwarf). Sauron- One of the best selling books of all time is named after him (The Lord of the Rings). ---- Mim- Brought about the destruction of a group of men living on a hill. Sauron- Brought about the destruction of Numenor and Arnor. ---- Mim- Responsible for the deaths of the men upon Amon Rhud. Sauron- Responsible for the deaths of thousands, perhaps millions. ---- Mim- Directly responsible for slaying... erm... probably a rabbit at least. Sauron- Directly slew the High King of the Elves and the King of Gondor. ---- Mim- Caused Turin to be captured. Sauron- Caused Valinor to be removed from the world. ---- Mim- Attempted to take over the empty halls of Nargothrond. Did not succeed. Stopped by an old man. Sauron- Attempted to take over the world. Nearly succeeded. Stopped by Eru. ---- Mim- Left behind no legacy. Sauron- Without Sauron, no Tol-In-Gaurhoth. He will live on through our Werewolf games forever. ---- Yeah... Take a wild guess at which way my vote is gonna go. ++Sauron __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-04-2008, 05:48 PM	#9
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	++Gorthaur Mim is a little brat who thinks he's the one who matters. I despise that sort. __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

12-04-2008, 06:29 PM	#10
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	++Sauron However much I like dwarves, I have to vote for the most interesting character out of the two. For me the equation is likability over interest, Sauron is far more interesting than Mim. __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

12-04-2008, 06:41 PM	#11
Strongbow Wight Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South of the Capital Wasteland Posts: 119	++Sauron Ash Sauron durbatulûk. __________________ Is é gáire ár gcuid páistí a bheas mar dhíoltas againn. - Roibeard Gearóid Ó Seachnasaigh Last edited by Strongbow; 12-04-2008 at 07:50 PM.