Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[A Little Green]

++ Kath for rep

Reasons stated earlier. I'm off to bed now.

[Kath]

Ah I thought I had more time - who knew it was Sunday already? Anyway, as I'm up for work tomorrow I'm going to have to vote now without a chance to look at everyone properly. I did have a quick readthrough of most people's posts earlier and Lommy is still striking me as innocent. Rune as well actually but he isn't around so much so:

++LOMMY for Rep

[the phantom]

Yeesh. A page already?

You people post way too much.

[the phantom]

Here is the Rep voting from the first three days. Listed at the top are the three known Werewolves.

morm ++ Nog/Agan/Lommy
Nog +++ Ilya/Boro/Kath
KA ++++ Boro/Lommy/Green
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Brin ++++ Agan/Kath/Shasta
Gil +++++ none/none/none
Green ++ Brin/morm/morm
Gwath ++ Nog/none/Boro
Ilya ++++ Boro/Rune/Boro
Kath ++++ Lommy/Boro/Nog
Lommy ++ Ilya/Nerwen/Shasta
Nerwen ++ none/Lommy/Kath
Rune ++++ none/morm/morm
Sally ++++ Legate/none/Green

Strictly looking at Rep voting, Brin, Nerwen, and Sally have no ties to the known Wolves.

Green has three ties. Kath, Lommy, and Rune have two ties.

With the known Wolves themselves, on Day 1 morm voted for Nog.

Here is the question we must ask. Did the Wolves consider it to be more important to gain voting power, or to win over innocents and tie themselves to innocents? Or were they trying to do both at the same time?

For instance, let's say they wanted to get Lommy on their side and tie themselves to her, but still get themselves elected. That would point to Kath.

But say they were primarily after voting power. Then Green and Rune don't look so good for their consecutive morm votes.

Or did they wish to minimize ties to fellow WWs for the most part? That would implicate the extremely clean voters (Brin and Sally).

[the phantom]

Does anyone have a complete listing of lynch votes?

I don't have time for anything other than these couple of comments. I'll try and get on tonight and comment on some other people.

Gil- Would he no show with a role? Doubt it.
Kath- She claimed to not know the Rep rules during Day 1 (she thought only Reps could post the second half). Would a KathWolf bluff something RL like that? Though I don't like that she posted on Day 2 and claimed that she hadn't even read the thread far enough to know if she was even alive and supposed to be posting. Wouldn't an Ordo check and see if they had been Wolf-killed before they posted?
Nerwen- Her failure to cast a Day 1 vote and the fact that she claimed not to know the rules makes her look fairly clean. I mean- she thought there was a Ranger. Would a NerWolf bluff something like that?
Rune- He showed up late and acted like he didn't know we had started. Would a RuneWolf bluff something RL like that?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Does anyone have a complete listing of lynch votes?

I don't have time for anything other than these couple of comments. I'll try and get on tonight and comment on some other people.

Gil- Would he no show with a role? Doubt it.
Kath- She claimed to not know the Rep rules during Day 1 (she thought only Reps could post the second half). Would a KathWolf bluff something RL like that? Though I don't like that she posted on Day 2 and claimed that she hadn't even read the thread far enough to know if she was even alive and supposed to be posting. Wouldn't an Ordo check and see if they had been Wolf-killed before they posted?
Nerwen- Her failure to cast a Day 1 vote and the fact that she claimed not to know the rules makes her look fairly clean. I mean- she thought there was a Ranger. Would a NerWolf bluff something like that?
Rune- He showed up late and acted like he didn't know we had started. Would a RuneWolf bluff something RL like that?

These are interesting thoughts, but sooner or later there must be a werewolf who claims to misunderstand the rules in order to look innocent. . .So is it in this game?

Anyways I classes in 7 hours and I am sitting here unable to decide who to vote for, all I can say is that it will be either The Phantom or for Kath.

I see that Gwath has posted and that reminds me of why he is on my list, it is these very short posts that deals with seemingly unimportant topics. . . Basicly it leaves us with very little to analyse and he leaves hardly any trail at all to follow.

About my earlier post: I should probably point out that Ilya and Nerwen are closer to my "no idea" category than my "lynch candidate" at the moment.

EDIT: Cross posted with Gwath and Sally

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It looks like Gwath and Sally will make Phantom a representative so I will vote for Kath.

++Kath for Representative

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Yeesh. A page already?

You people post way too much.

Heh. Pot. Kettle.



Okay, getting some more work done on my paper (because you all totally care about my academic commitments) but I popped in to see what was up.


I give you a list. A more complete list, anyway. Sorry about the lack of detail; keep me around past toDay and I will most definitely be more active. (By the way, sorry about being so jumpy yesterDay. I was so ecstatic I could kind of let my brain go on auto-pilot and actually work through things I got a tad hyper. Meh, it happens. Point is, I'm enjoying the game. I can't understand why that's suspicious, but hey, to each their own)



On to my list! And in honor of kidnergarteners everywhere....


Red Light:
Nerwen
Ilya
Brinn

Yellow Light:
Kath
Gwath
Rune
Lommie
Greenie

Green Light:
Phantom
Gil (gah....so conflicted!!!!!)


I'll be more detailed later. Please feel free to ask questions or address concerns and I'll deal with them when I get a chance. And in advance, I'm really stressed right now so I'm either going to be completely cracked or really....well, really female. So in advance if I'm a bit cranky or insane don't take it personally.


Back as soon as I get a chance!

~~Sally~~

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry for not being around today, but I slept alot of it away due to a staff party last night and the afternoon and evening have been spend with the family. (My sister is leaving for New Zealand on tuesday)

I have limited time before I need to go to bed. . .with school and all tomorow, but I will try read through the action of today and make a post.

[Ilya]

Ok, I don't have a lot of time to post before the procrastination patrol catches me on the computer. But, firstly, major props to Brinn for putting together the mega-posts and tp for the voting records.

Gil...would not be this absent, even as a wolf. We could try to put together another double-lynch just to be sure, but that sorta seems like overkill. I believe he honestly forgot about the game.

Gwath is still too slippery for me to get a good read on yet. It was kinda funny our reactions were worded similarly, yeah. Although, the points we made were different.

Interesting point about Sally's eagerness to double-lynch. Hadn't thought of that, although it is the sorta triple-double ploy thinking that can be spun either way.

I understand Rune's day 4 frustrations, though. It sucks when you're wrong and I think Rune's writing style favors hyperbole.

I'll vote in about an hour or so, after I've done some non-WW-related work.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Goodness, I'm floodposting even more than the phantom.

Okay, so some thoughts:

Gil-Galad: I still don't think he's the last wolf. Kath raises a good point that if he were the wolf, there probably wouldn't have been a kill. And if he is killing at Night and intentionally not posting during the Day, that is very unsporty.

Greenie: Even after looking at those quotes, I still can't get a read on her.

Gwathagor: He's made quite a few comments that I find rather fishy. He's someone I can imagine as the final wolf.

Ilya: I don't think that quote by Nogrod really says anything about her innocence or guilt. She doesn't seem to make as big of a presence in all those quotes, but that could be because she's a bit quieter.

Lommy: As of now, she looks the most innocent to me. Now not only because of Agan's death, but also because of comments and suspicions she made.

Kath: She's another I'm not getting a terribly good read of based off of the quotes alone. The only thing I find discomforting about her is that her presence was so brief yesterDay, but then again she usually is quiet.

Nerwen: morm's suspicion of her doesn't mean too much to me, but then when Nogrod suspects her too, I wonder how likely two wolves would go after a mate when she does have a chance getting lynched. While I don't want to eliminate the possibility, I think it's less likely.

Rune: He looked okay up until yesterDay...I really don't like his reactions to Boromir's reveal. It looked like someone who was frustrated that his entire team was in trouble and was having trouble hiding such frustrations.

Sally: I do find her eagerness to lynch the wolves suspicious. It could be a cover-up to how she feels about the real situation.

the phantom: A known innocent. While we can listen to him toDay knowing he speaks with complete honesty, we don't actually have to talk about him for once.

So...

Suspicious:
Gwath
Rune
Sally

No Idea:
Greenie
Ilya
Kath
Nerwen

Innocent/ish:
Gil
Lommy
the phantom

Yes you are posting alot, but most of your posts just consists of what others have said with out any comments.

With all the stuff you have gone through it leaves me confused when some of your comments are so vague, like the one about Lommy. What comments and suspicions did she make that points to her innocens. I am assuming that it is more than just a genneral feel that you get from her posts, because if she just feels innocent then that is what you should write. . .

That being said, I actually think you make some good points about some people. I am thinking about Green, Gwath and Gil. I have absolutely no idea what to think of Green, Lommy and Sally. I agree that Kath makes a valid point about Gil and that he is most likely innocent, I think that we should just decide not to lynch him. If he is to be killed it has to be now, so any suspicion about Gil should be voiced now. (wait. . . if he is kept alive it could present trouble if we reach the final day and he is one of the last 3 remaining)

Kath seem rather innocent to me, but she is always hard to read because her posts comes in limited amounts. . . Something she benefits from when she is a wolf.

I used to suspect Nerwen and Ilya, but I need to go back and have a closer look especially at Nerwen. I fear that I might have been influenced a bit my Morm in my view of her, also Brinn makes a valid point about both Morm and Nogrod suspecting her.

Brinn is difficult for me to figure out. She almost always seem slightly wolf-like to me and hardly ever is and yet again I find my self wanting to see her dangle from the gallows. She makes those "qote-posts" that I am not overly fond of, at least not as long as they are not follow up by comments or are part of a longer case. I guess I find her too vague and her suspicions are often based on one thing only, she seems to be trying not to upset people.
However I did think she made some alright points in her post and it may be that she is a person that I will always suspect, because of this I would like her around for one more day.

Now I am afraid that I have to be a bit vague, because I find Gwath suspicous, but I cannot tell you why. I do however promis to look at what he has said as soon as I am done with my classes tomorrow.

So based on my memory and what I have read today:

No Idea:
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Lommy
Sally

Innocent:
Kath

Slightly Wolfish:
Ilya
Nerwen

Lynch Candidates
Gwathagor
Brinniel

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Now I am afraid that I have to be a bit vague, because I find Gwath suspicous, but I cannot tell you why. I do however promis to look at what he has said as soon as I am done with my classes tomorrow.

Maybe you mean it, but it looks to me like you're just following the suspicions of those before you - without making a definite commitment.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Brinn

Sally: I do find her eagerness to lynch the wolves suspicious. It could be a cover-up to how she feels about the real situation.

By the way, I'd just like clarification. How does being happy about lynching the wolves make me suspicious? Boro and Phantom were also happy about this fact, as were hopefully the other innocents. Are you suggesting that they had other motives as well? I'm just saying.


Basically if you'd explain this a bit better I'm sure I'd understand why that was suspicious. Doesn't matter to me either way, but I'd just like to know.



Alternatively, I'm torn. Two of the rep candidates are people I'm uneasy about and the other (Lommie) has a pretty high chance of lynching....well, me. I trust Lommie the most but at the same time I know that killing me will do no good, so why elect someone who won't help the village win the game (at least with this vote)? Know what I'm saying?


Blech. I may go for Phantom, although I believe he said earlier he doesn't want to be a rep. May as well make yourself useful the last Day you're around though.


I'll be back again later. About 15-20% of the way done, yay!


ETA: My yellow list in the post above is pretty much in order of suspicion, by the way, in case that helps you know what's going on in my brain.

[Nerwen]

Firstly, thanks Brinniel for your massive task in putting all those posts together.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Does anyone have a complete listing of lynch votes?

I don't have time for anything other than these couple of comments. I'll try and get on tonight and comment on some other people.

Gil- Would he no show with a role? Doubt it.
Kath- She claimed to not know the Rep rules during Day 1 (she thought only Reps could post the second half). Would a KathWolf bluff something RL like that? Though I don't like that she posted on Day 2 and claimed that she hadn't even read the thread far enough to know if she was even alive and supposed to be posting. Wouldn't an Ordo check and see if they had been Wolf-killed before they posted?
Nerwen- Her failure to cast a Day 1 vote and the fact that she claimed not to know the rules makes her look fairly clean. I mean- she thought there was a Ranger. Would a NerWolf bluff something like that?
Rune- He showed up late and acted like he didn't know we had started. Would a RuneWolf bluff something RL like that?

Speaking for myself, I'd certainly not bluff like that. However, on principle, it doesn't prove I'm innocent either, or that Rune and Kath are. This time of year it's not unlikely that a wolf might have been too busy to read the rules and/or confer with packmates– that is, genuine confusion doesn't rule out guilt.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

On to my list! And in honor of kidnergarteners everywhere....


Red Light:
Nerwen
Ilya
Brinn

Yellow Light:
Kath
Gwath
Rune
Lommie
Greenie

Green Light:
Phantom
Gil (gah....so conflicted!!!!!)


I'll be more detailed later. Please feel free to ask questions or address concerns and I'll deal with them when I get a chance. And in advance, I'm really stressed right now so I'm either going to be completely cracked or really....well, really female. So in advance if I'm a bit cranky or insane don't take it personally.


Back as soon as I get a chance!

~~Sally~~

Now, I don't like the look of Sally.
I didn't like her push for a triple-lynch yesterDay. I didn't like her reaction when I criticised it–

#1320.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Mind you, you're in an awful hurry to make other people look bad, Nerwen my dear.

I didn't like how easily she followed morm's "suspicion" of me and I don't like the way she continues to have me as chief suspect even after morm's exposure as a wolf... with no explanation. Okay, wolf-on-wolf voting is common enough– but not so common that you can assume it. You need a proper case. She says she's going to make one– I'd be interested to hear it. (Also, why has Brinn suddenly appeared on the suspicion list?)

With all that, I must admit that I have a long history of being badly wrong about Sally.

EDIT: X'd since Rune at 1545.
EDIT2: fixed bolding.