Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[A Little Green]

Hello I'm here. I'll make a sweet little (green) list.

I'M UNEASY ABOUT:
Boro & phantom - I think I have stated earlier why I am uneasy about him. The same goes for phantom. I think it's been more phantom who's doing it but complaining about why they are getting all the attention seems really too much. You can't really expect that the village will pay no extra attention to guys behaving the way you two have done. I might suggest lynching one of the two - preferably phantom, I find him more suspicious than Boro - just to be clear.

Originally Posted by phantom

So if I am lynched and found an Ordo, where the heck will the village be able to start with suspicions tomorrow, if all day today was completely Boro-tp centered? Naturally, they'll begin with reactions to the Boro-tp thing that happened the day before. Meaning that the village will still be focused on it. We really need to get past this!

Yes, might be - but how does it change if both of you are alive? In that case, we still have much to go on with except for this issue, and in addition we still have the problem of not knowing where you two stand. At least I am being horribly distracted of thinking anything else at the moment, and I'm quite convinced it won't change if we won't get to know the truth. If you're innocent I don't think the wolves will kill you, you are too useful for them by causing all this mess.

Nogrod - Still hasn't answered the question I have asked something like three times? So I ask again: why did you give a third rep vote to a Boro you didn't trust when he was already through anyway? Nog's been more innocentish toDay than before, but I'm still uneasy about him.

I'M TORN ABOUT:
Ilya & Nerwen - No, I'm not pairing them up as though I saw a suspicious connection between them or anything - I'm pairing them up because my reaction to both of them is pretty much confused. I get both innocent and suspicious vibes from both. I'll look at them when I have the time (which certainly isn't now). For now I'll leave them be.

I'M NOT UNEASY ABOUT:
Brinniel - Nothing new.
Lommy - Nothing new.
Kath - Nothing new.
morm - Nothing new.
Runey - Nothing new.
Sally - Nothing new.
Shasta - Nothing new.

I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT:
Gil-Galad - He's annoying me with his absence.
Gwathie - He deserves to be called Gwathie though he hates the nickname. I need more substance.
The Ka - Has posted more toDay and I'm glad to see it; but there is still too little to go on with there, I fear.

I could vote toDay (in no particular order):
phantom
Boro
Nog
Gil
Gwath

I will certainly not vote toDay:
Anyone on my "Not uneasy about" -list.

I'll vote soon. Any thoughts from my fellow reps? Who do you think of voting?


EDIT: x-ed with phantom, morm and phantom

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by phantom

Erm, I'm not sure where you're getting that, Green.

Brin makes her statement and gives a paraphrasing, and then I simply point out that there is nothing at all suspicious about the paraphrased statement, for it is the exact statement that could be made were Boro and I innocent. Therefore what point was she trying to make? I was questioning her, and how her statement could possibly mean anything bad about me, or paint me in a negative light, since all that it was was a true statement.

I'm not sure what you're saying about expecting others to assume I'm innocent. That had nothing to do with my statement at all.

Ah. I read your statement as "If I'm innocent, then no one should suspect me and instead thank me of all the good I have done." I don't know how to better explain it, but it looked to me like you were saying that if you are innocent like you claim you are, people should not be allowed to suspect you at all but instead should be thanking you for your services to the village. Do I make any sense at all? Gah, this is what you get when not having English as your first language - I really can't explain better. Annoying.

I'll let Lommy in very very soon and don't know whether I'll vote before or after she has posted...


EDIT: x-ed with phantom

[Boromir88]

While I agree that the Seer is very important, I really have to question this. Don't you think the village has any importance at all?~Greenie

I thought I also said everyone has a part to play? Anyway, the basic thing I was trying to say is my plans are all an attempt to get the seer as many dreams as possible because that is how we'll win. Yes, everyone is needed, some prefer to look at votes, come to conclusions, others like to go based on a lot of feeling...and etc. I don't play conservatively, I may be a distraction right now, if you want to lynch me for that go ahead. But, I'm telling you what I'm doing, now take it or leave it.

[the phantom]

Oh, so you interpretted the quote differently, Green? Well, I think Nog didn't like that quote either earlier today, so perhaps my wording wasn't well selected. Sorry.

And I see that both Sally and Nog have stated that they want to move on from this.

Excellent.

Er... now what do we talk about?

[Kath]

8 pages in one Day? And there's me thinking it might get quieter as the game went on. So, here are some thoughts on toDay:

Boro - now here's an odd thing actually, if Boro pushed this Agan kill deliberately and anticipated the set up then why the 'just my luck' comment? Why seem mildly surprised or exasperated if he was expecting it. Although, note that phantom actually gave him the out of that explanation, Boro only said that had been his plan after phantom suggested it. I think I can see where people are coming from in their suspicion of Boro. I must say that I think Boro is more than capable of digging his own grave as an innocent because I have seen him do it on a number of occasions, and I think that's what he's doing here.

Nerwen - I don't think there was anything suspicious about her comment. Some people are just better at predicting kills.

Ilya - the response to phantom's comments makes me certain that they're not a wolf pairing, she seemed truly offended.

morm - I think he's more annoyed than truly suspicious, but that annoyance makes him disinclined to look at alternative explanations for things and so he finds things suspicious that maybe aren't. Says that Nerwen is backtracking, but no she isn't, she's explaining. She said the kill was predictable and then she explained why she thought that, no backtracking there.

sally (stan never caught on did it?) - now see, there is madness, many of the replies in her multi-quote post were odd as per usual, but there were fragments of sense in there and her list post was almost entirely substance. It worries me coming from her.

Rune - well, I guess he was honest about Agan's death, and I've certainly felt the same way about the deaths of certain players in the past. Says it's bad when people make long analysis posts but doesn't mention who those people are, which isn't really very helpful.

Shasta - really does not know how some of our players work. Deliberately setting someone up to die even if you're pretty sure they are innocent is not a new thing. The finality with which he made the statement seems odd to me. And this game is so often innocent vs innocent even when it's accidental!

Brinn - big long analysis post promised, big long post with lots of quotes and a tiny summary at the end gained. Hoping she offers something more in future.

Greenie - basically says 'lots of things to look at'. Will have to see if she actually did. Didn't look at the Eonwe voters, did look at Ilya. Made a list with some good points. And yet. I think it's the tone of her posts that gets me. morm doesn't like phantom's because they feel 'giddy', I don't like Greenie's because they feel smug - and I don't know how else to explain that.

Lommy - suspicious of everyone who actually reacted to Agan's death. I disagree with her on all accounts really - as I don't think it makes Boro or Nerwen look suspicious and I don't understand how Ilya overreacted. She did notice that inconsistency from Boro too. I'm not sure about Lommy toDay. She does seem to be blowing things out of proportion a little.

Nog - is just against phantom in general I think. I mean I completely agree that phantom's playing style drives you up the wall, although not me this game for some reason, so I get the frustration, but what I don't think Nog has are any actual reasons.

It seems like everyone just got a little bit overheated toDay, and if neither Boro nor phantom are wolves then the real wolves must be just loving it. Total distracted with probably very little effort on their parts!

Now, if I am wrong and one or the other of them is a wolf, by the look of things it would be Boro. If he isn't a wolf he's done a very fine job of making it look like he is!

Still, my actual suspects toDay are sally, Rune and Greenie. My vote will go to one of them in the next hour or so.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Green

++ lynch the phantom

I think I have already stated enough reasons for my choice.

Interesting. I made a point to go out of my way for you, Green, answering question after question for you, as well as logically addressing every reason you believed you had to suspect me. For the most part you ignored me, in the sense that you did not post responses to most of my points, and a few times you even repeated points against me which I had already answered.

Oh well.

[mormegil]

Boro, I'm done man. I think you and I are two stubborn mules going at it. It's more aggrivating than it's worth.

Green, if I don't vote for Boro which I may consider giving him a reprieve based on what phantom has been explaining...I am trying to calm down and look at the whole picture. However, there is no way I can go through the whole thread again so I'm left to some degree with my gut. Anyway if not Boro I'm really not sure who to go for. I've turned all my attention exclusively to Boro, for better or worse. I would like to get a closer look at some others but I doubt that will happen now. Honestly I'd be fairly content with Gil. I'm fairly certain he is not a wolf but on the other hand he has done nothing to deserve being here. However, that would be foolish to vote him off if nothing more he is a number to our side that could prove the difference between victory and death.

If I were to randomize my pick we would have about a 25% of being correct. I went here and it generated a 12 which based on the list would be Rune so I could vote for him and imagine what 'ammo' that would give Boro.

But really the ones that stick out to me most are Boro, Ilya, Nerwen and Nogrod. Tummy does but to a much lesser degree than previously.

[Nogrod]

I just saw this...

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Nogrod - Still hasn't answered the question I have asked something like three times? So I ask again: why did you give a third rep vote to a Boro you didn't trust when he was already through anyway? Nog's been more innocentish toDay than before, but I'm still uneasy about him.

Originally Posted by me on #594 eg. the votepost

Anyway, I'm giving Boro a third vote even if parts of toDay are just black areas to me as I had no time to read them all. I'll try to catch up tomorrow as it's now 3AM here... Happily we have these 48 hour-Days!

But I really want to see what Boro does with the power invested on him on that scale... even if it narrows down the number of the representatives.
(Think of the game balance indeed! Seven "two-voters" are the happiest place for the wolves qualified... after not being a representative in the first place, that is)

I don't trust him at all at this moment but I want to check his cards whatever it leads to.

Okay?

We were able to afford that. Even if I'm not sure it was of any good as he did cast a meaningless vote as the last one... So not too much infop on that on retrospect.

But there's a lot on Boro afterwards!


I'm working on my summary-post. It will take some time still but I'm making it.