Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

This post I don't like, because he's trying to accuse tp of being silly, thus he's a wolf. But notice the careful wording he uses...first morm says "I tend to trust the phantom, but you know his silliness is a little bothersome." The careful wording I don't like is his "if you know what I mean," it's like he's implying tp has a special role. What I don't like about it, is if tp was the seer, and morm was innocent, I don't know why he would clue in so early to any "special" behavior. But see, when someone says " he/she knows too much" the automatic assumption that is tied to it is "WOLF!" Anyway, why would an innocent morm set up tp as having a special role so early in the game?

You and phantom are fond of statistics so I would say that if there were a special role assigned to phantom it would likely, 80% chance, be a wolf.

If phantom was the seer I don't suspect he would be acting thusly. It is true, I find generally that I am one of the few that has an innate trust in tummy, while others do not, this was different. I got the vibe that he was a giddy wolf who was a bit over-confident on day one and was acting a bit silly because of it.

Also, if I was a wolf and I thought phantom to be the seer...why isn't he dead yet? I am much like tummy and I would go after the seer all out.

So if I understand you correctly, mind you this was one of my first posts and very early in the game, we are not suppose to point out odd behavior because it may be that the person is the seer...in that case let me shut up and retract everything I've pointed out about others because I would hate risking that the person is the seer. Instead I will point out normal behaviors.

Lommy seems fairly normal to me...ummmm that's all I have so far...boy that was fun...Really Boro? You seem rather desperate my friend.

[Kath]

A Rep again eh? Alright well my computer is thankfully working again so that shouldn't cause any problems, though as per usual I will have to vote around 6 hours before the deadline.

I'm reading through (slowly - I've got a cold and it's giving me a very slow brain!) but I have two things to say right now.

Firstly - I want to keep Sally around if only for the Doctor Who references. It makes a lovely break from post after post after post of the same thing. And yes indeed phantom, whether it's Dr. or Doctor makes a very big differences, and if we're really getting nitpicky it should actually be Doctor Who? when mentioning the show.

Aaaanyway, secondly is thus rather unfortunate, because I actually disagree with Lommy on Sally. I don't think she is as flyaway and nutty as usual, in fact I think she's being downright sensible for her, and this worries me somewhat.

Hmm and I suppose I ought to mention the phantom/Boro thing. Maybe we should just lynch one of them - then they can't do any more buddying up and most of the annoyance in this village will be gone. It would be good for tension levels but probably bad for the village as I don't actually think either of them is a wolf. I mean basically, either neither of them are wolves or both are, I don't think it could be one of each. I wouldn't put it past them to play so boldly as wolves, but I think they would have to be very, very confident of the wolves they would leave behind.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

I mean basically, either neither of them are wolves or both are, I don't think it could be one of each.

Why not? In fact, why couldn't each of these alliances (i.e Rune-morm and Boro-phantom) consist of a wolf and a duped ordo? Just a thought.

[mormegil]

What I don't get Boro is how you bring up this grand case against me and I demonstrated that it really doesn't hold water and then all the sudden you back off and focus on Rune...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Kath on tp and Boro

I wouldn't put it past them to play so boldly as wolves, but I think they would have to be very, very confident of the wolves they would leave behind.

I just got an irresistibly crazy idea only Fea would execute in her own game.

Okay so if Boro and tp are wolves, who would be their two mates and what the battle-plan?

Boro and tp know they are in the head of the seer's dreamtable so they need to do something quite spectacular so as to have a chance of avoiding the seer's consideration. It looks like an insurmountable task but these are both able and bold guys with a lot of intelligence. So what to do? Laying low or looking nice would not help, on the contrary that would be even more suspicious. So they get this grand idea of two strong innocents trusting each other from early on, making an infinite number of ploys and all the stuff, acting very confident as they go. And both declaring that the seer has dreamt of them already - giving an air of righteous pride of them being dreamt of so that the seer might trust them a bit more. It is obvious that the justice will be done after they die... And posing sometimes as seers as to avoid the real one to get picked (how unselfish that is, when you're yourself the one to decide on the kills... ) and on others as steering the wolf-vote to avoid the seer being targeted (and see, miracle happens: the wolves acted exactly like they predicted! So they had to be good! ) they try their best to keep the seer from not picking them but to trust them...

If Boro and tp are wolves something like that would be their only chance of avoiding the seer's eyes.

And who'd be their mates then? Looking at all of this, morm and Rune might be reasonable candidates. If the other "side" of the wolfpack had to pull that kind of a bluff - and were still in danger of being dreamt of - the other party should be very suspiciousof them, right? So if either "duo" prevailed in the beginning the other might carry it home as they would look clean and nice going after the other "pair" (see the mutual distrust between those "pairs" in this game).

And all those four would be from the pack of the "ancient werewolfers" who've been around from something like the very beginning like Fea has if my memory serves me right - and I would be surprised if Fea hadn't hand-picked the wolves...



Okay. That is a theory that would fit with the observed facts. A bit far-fetched you say? Well, maybe, but also too pretty not to speak it out aloud (and were it true I would blame myself later for not voicing it out as I started to see those connections).

It would indeed explain the behaviour of Boro and tp indeed.

But as I said already yesterday (RL), I'd leave Boro and tp for the seer as being innocents they would really be our greatest assets.

I'll dwell back to the thread and try to see if I can make any sense from the rest of the mess we're in...

EDIT: X'd with a host of posts... and pics!!! wow...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Nogrod, that is an amazing theory! I almost wish it was true. . .

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Nogrod, that is an amazing theory! I almost wish it was true. . .

In a way I would too as it would be simple from this moment on: just lynch you and / or morm first and then see if the seer has already gotten the rest confirmed...

But sadly the mates-part is not that simple - even if you oldies (you and morm) might fit the situation a bit too well. But so would Kath. And looking at who have been the antagonists of Boro and tp it might as well be Greenie or Lommy... *looks at the picture *

Or basically anyone...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

In a way I would too as it would be simple from this moment on: just lynch you and / or morm first and then see if the seer has already gotten the rest confirmed...

But sadly the mates-part is not that simple - even if you oldies (you and morm) might fit the situation a bit too well. But so would Kath. And looking at who have been the antagonists of Boro and tp it might as well be Greenie or Lommy... *looks at the picture *

Or basically anyone...

I like it because it is a brilliant idea and it would make me a great werewolf player.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I like it because it is a brilliant idea and it would make me a great werewolf player.

Maybe Boro and tp suggested what you'd should do? You could have briefings every Night I mean...

Okay. I'm now off to some fairly basic and traditional WW-thing namely looking at the lynches. So far I have seen tp making steadfastly tallies about the choices for representatives but I don't remember seeing lynch-tallies.

The two might become more powerful if combined.

It will take some time though...