Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Ilya]

Thoughts, questions, and concerns.

The Great Boro/Tummy Alliance
You know what? Say I that I buy it. They're drawing fire. They want to see who jumps on their open declaration and raises the suspicion. One might get lynched but then the other will take up the charge the next Day and flush out all the WWs. Sweet.

And if they're wolves, you know, then it's just going to be inevitable. I'll be smoking a cigar and they'll break into my room and I'll gruff, "It was only a matter of time" before they throw me out a window. (Qui custodiet ipsos custodes?) I joke, because I have no idea what this alliance does for them as wolves, other than allow them to work together openly, which they've pretty much been doing anyway.

I didn't catch the seer ploys put out by either of them, though. The quotes that they brought up seemed to me to be not that significant, and now they have complete deniability for anything that they say because they can just go, "It's a ploy! Jeez,Ilya, shut up and let us help the village, why don't you?" That gives me pause. They've been going after those who're questioning them with a snideness, and it's that tone more than anything that makes y'all seem arrogant and suspicious. Look, guys, be patient. I don't get it. I don't get what this gets us if you're innocent other than one of you lynched and the other silenced during the Night. If you want me to trust you, and I'm inclined to, just try and be a little patient with us, is all.

I'm not ready to lead either one of them to the oaks quite yet. I want to see how this develops.

Ordinary People
I have a feeling Gil's not playing anymore. That, or he's the ultimate submarine!
Lommy keeps speaking sense.
Sally, I don't have a read on yet.
Everything Kath has said feels on the level.
Rune, too, feels genuine.
So does Greenie.

Boys Becoming Men, Men Becoming Wolves
My initial, gut suspicions were of Agan, Brinn, Morm, and Nerwen. Even though I've already been proven wrong, they still hold. I'm less suspicious of Brinn, though, and more of the other two.
Shasta jumped on The Alliance with a lot of relish today.
Nogrod has phrased things in ways that are weird. I think the concerns raised about a "lynching distraction" are legit, whether Nog's a concerned citizen or a wolf trying to take the high road. I dunno which.
Gwath, while discussion is a good thing, there ought to be an aim when one tries to direct it. Maybe it's just the way you phrased the sentence, but it sounded like you wanted to further the distraction without planting a flag on either side.

I've no idea what I want to do about reps. I'd like to see what Rune would bring to it, since he hasn't had a turn yet, and I want to see more of Kath. I want to see more of Shasta, but I'm not sure if I can trust him, so I don't want to vote for him, and then there's Uncle Boro and T.P. John Bull over there, trying to show us they're fighting the good fight...I need some time away from the screen and mug of strong tea to think about it.

Edit: [b][b]/ is not the right code.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Ilya

Gwath, while discussion is a good thing, there ought to be an aim when one tries to direct it. Maybe it's just the way you phrased the sentence, but it sounded like you wanted to further the distraction without planting a flag on either side.

Ok, that's fair. My post does kind of sound like that.

[Nerwen]

Hi, I'm just halfway through reading toDay's posts. I'll get back to you.

[Boromir88]

I didn't catch the seer ploys put out by either of them, though.~Ilya

My joke about why I didn't support filibusters. I said I had a strange dream about tp blocking my vote. Maybe it was too obvious, but I liked it.

If you want me to trust you, and I'm inclined to, just try and be a little patient with us, is all.

I thought I had done so, but I echo what tp said, nothing is ever met to cause offense. I encouraged Greenie yesterday, and have others today, to question. Trust me that's a good thing.

I'm not saying tp, nor me, nor Nogrod nor any one person are the only one's capable of getting wolves lynched. Everone's got a part to play, this is how I do it. I know we have to keep the seer alive as long as possible, to have a fighting chance, in the mean time let's do what we can to also find wolves. There's still a lot of game left to be played.

[Boromir88]

I would ask, what does even being a jerk have to do with guilt?~tp

Good point, it's really the one's who try to tip-toe around and keep the peace with everyone that you have to watch out for.

Those who call a spade a spade, and do not fear the repercussions are most likely innocent, they don't have anything to hide. The wolves do.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

Good point, it's really the one's who try to tip-toe around and keep the peace with everyone that you have to watch out for.

Those who call a spade a spade, and do not fear the repercussions are most likely innocent, they don't have anything to hide. The wolves do.

Amen, bro.

EDIT: Oops, I just agreed with you. That's very suspicious.

[Brinniel]

As of now, I believe these are the ones with rep votes:

Lommy 2
morm
Shasta
Noggie
Kath

Lommy has already been made a rep, so I will vote:

++Shasta for rep

Because right now I find him pretty innocent and I'm curious to see what he does in a position of power.

[THE Ka]

I’ve seriously given it some thought, and I’m going to have to vote for Greenie this time around. Echoing the concerns of Boro88 and tp, our wolves are obviously enjoying the fact that we’re all sitting around on our thumbs and trying to come up with some clues to vote for whom and why. It might put our seer in a different position by taking a different approach, but sometimes it’s needed to stroke the fire a bit.
With this in mind, and from past experience of playing with her, I can see her as being a much needed catalyst to at least getting a clear view on what so far looks like a mundane haze. So, I’m electing Greenie because I know she’ll poke better than the Spanish inquisition. The only thing I’m hoping for is that the other possible reps will try to act differently as well.

Originally Posted by tp

Trust me- we'd much rather you looked elsewhere.

If I felt like starting a joke wheel I could make a pun of this, but tp does bring up a good point. The only reason why they both appear in the spotlight and ‘annoying’ is because its more convenient for the wolves to have us babbling over whether to vote B88 or tp, or which one is a ‘wolf’ than pay any heed elsewhere. If the voters are looking somewhere else, their reps are looking somewhere else as well whether out of their own need or respect for their base.
It would be much harder for a wolf representative or other individual wolves to swing suspicion if we’re not looking at just two people, whether arguing such as Agan and Lommy were, or agreeing as B88 and tp appear to be.

++Greenie for Rep

~ Ka

[the phantom]

Updated list-

Cleared of all charges-
the phantom

Off on a technicality-
Boro
Kath
Nog
Sally

Plea bargained-
Gil
Green
Gwath
Ilya
KA
Rune

On trial-
Brin
Lommy
morm
Nerwen
Shasta

[the phantom]

The votes thus far-

morm for Lommy
Green for morm
Lommy for Shasta
Shasta for Lommy (2)
Nogrod for Kath
Brin for Shasta (2)
The KA for Green

The Reps:

Lommy- 2
Shasta- 2

[Boromir88]

EDIT: Oops, I just agreed with you. That's very suspicious. ~tp

That's nothing this is going to be the real kicker. Out of the choices I see I could vote for Nogrod or Kath as a representative.

But, I would really like to get you in there tp, if no one's willing to follow up, I will vote for someone else.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by mormegil

I can field that one. I gladly take credit for it. Earlier when I was commenting on his silliness I called him phantummy and then it went to tummy for short. I think we should all have a nickname, I'm just glad I have morm.

From now on you are known as Mormegeil, in short: Geil

Originally Posted by Nogrod

We have 16 people in this village, 4 of them wolves.


Of these we have the quiet departement:

Gil-Galad whom I think is innocent but may not return to the game. Let's hope he does.

The Ka looks like the über-submarine. I might support her lynch toDay unless some real pressing RL reasons come to the surface.

Kath I'm very unsure of as she seems to trust me somewhat (at least the last time she was around of which some time has really gone) and I find it slightly suspicious. Maybe I should just start to learn to be a bit more grown-up and stop suspecting her everytime (I quess this is the second time I'm saying this; now what does it tell? ). But she really should post more. I'm not inclined to suggest her lynching anyway, at this point at least.

Gwath I'd just like to see more. I have no clear picture of him. Sometimes I think not even a picture... where are you?

Also Brinn has been relatively quiet toDay. But so far I have no idea. She looks reasonable but that's what she always does. And that really bothers me right now.



Then there are Rune, Sally, Shasta, Greenie and Ilya who are all falllng into my category "I really should pay more attention to them as they do actually post". Somehow my mind has been in other places (thanks Boro & tp ). I'll promise to look at at least some of them tomorrow (the rep-day that is).


The people I have a "better" vision (meaning I think I have something) on remain.

Lommy looks and feels genuine, from her defence from Agan's attack to her frustration with Boro and tp toDay.

morm seems to enjoy a lot of trust in here. He looks almost botheringly innocent. But I must agree that he hasn't looked suspicious this far. I'd trust him but wouldn't make him a super-delegate anyway which he looks like be becoming if all those intending to vote him do that...

Nerwen is either a wolf or a victim of a nasty plot made by wolves. Her defences can be interpreted both ways. I have no clear feeling on her but if I'd had to be the one to vote the lynch at this moment I would probably try her (or then The Ka, just to be sure).


Boromir88 & the phantom then... Well, they could be anything, really. Two wolves, one wolf & one innocent, two innocents...

Somehow I'm thinking we should leave them for the seer - if they promise to not draw all the discussion on themselves from now on...

I mean I see now I have used a lot of my time toDay looking at things relating to them. Some of them give me the creeps, some of them assure me of their innocence. But with 12 innocents against 4 wolves the ratio is quite good and we probably should not take rushed decisions with them.

But we shouldn't talk about them every Day and all the time either. At least I see I have failed in that toDay in a monstrous fashion.

It is true that Morm has not gathered suspicion and that in it self is suspicious ergo Morm AKA Geil is a wolf!

Actually it has been bothering me that Morm has been regarted so innocent, but there really is very little reason to suspect him.

Originally Posted by the phantom

I said earlier that the Seer had dreamt of me already. I'm serious here, Gwath- I'd bet my entire Werewolf career on it.

I'm not sure if Boro has been done yet as the day is not over yet (and thus potential hints have not finished coming out), but if not I'd bet he's the dream tonight.

What makes you sure the seer has not dreamt about the more quiet people in our village?

EDIT: I forgot to type in one of the responses

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Ilya

They've been going after those who're questioning them with a snideness, and it's that tone more than anything that makes y'all seem arrogant and suspicious.

See, I'm not sure where this "snideness" and such that people are seeing is coming from.

The closest thing to it that I've done is rolled my eyes at two different conclusions people keep coming to-
1) They're working together. There must be a Wolf involved.
2) I don't like ploys.

Neither of those opinions make logical sense in regards to assigning guilt to someone, so surely you can understand my disbelief when I see it again and again.

And as far as saying we're "arrogant"- I have seen confidence on display (in the sense that we're confident in our opinions), but nothing that should insult people the way full blown arrogance would.

Originally Posted by Ilya

If you want me to trust you, and I'm inclined to, just try and be a little patient with us, is all.

I've spent the majority of the day giving the same rational reasoning over and over. Trust me- I'm being as patient as I can be.

And if you are inclined to trust me, you and others had better seriously think about giving me some Rep power to defend myself with.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Y'all think this is them being arrogant? That's funny.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Ilya

and it's that tone more than anything that makes y'all seem arrogant and suspicious.

Ah, I forgot to make another point about this.

What does arrogance have to do with guilt?

Or let's say I was walking around calling everyone names and being a jerk. If that was the case, I would ask, what does even being a jerk have to do with guilt?

I believe that many people are allowing annoyance to play a part in their decision. Remember, we're trying to kill Wolves! That is the one and only point of this village. I don't care how mean or rude or anything someone acts- all that matters is the liklihood of them being a Werewolf. That's all.

In addition, people being annoyed with Boro and I for all of this seems rather silly, as the two of us are about the only two people who aren't actively trying to focus things on us. Trust me- we'd much rather you looked elsewhere.