Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[satansaloser2005]

My first attempt at a proper multi-quote, so if I don't reply to all the bits my apologies. I'll put them in another post as I notice my oversight. heh.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Ah, so it turned out Eonwe did have a special role! He was the village Steve. But then he was dropping Steve hints all over the place, so we should've guessed.

Hee hee! Village Steve, poor guy. You sons of a mothers killed the poor kid before I could make the obligatory Blue's Clues jokes. How dare you!

Originally Posted by phantom

But on the bright side I wasn't killed. So guess what? You all get one more day of Phantom!

Could I request modfire?

Originally Posted by phantom

I don't see any way I survive another Night phase. For surely the WWs have realized by now that I am, indeed, the Dread Pirate Roberts.

You are not the real Dread Pirate Roberts. The real Roberts has been retired for fifteen years, and living like a king in Patagonia.

This is enough proof for me. Phantom is TOTALLY a wolf.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, that was predictable.

Really? Well, if it was predictable, I say you didn't predict it at all! This was all a setup! Conspiracy! Conspiracy! [/crazy flailing]

Anyway, yes Agan's death wasn't that much of a surprise, but I didn't particularly think she was seer so I almost expected the wolves to gamble after that quarry rather than our little finished -erm, Finnish- friend.

Originally Posted by Ilya

As long as you're not a rabbit, Phantom. Then you'd just be silly.

Man, my apologies to Agan. Totally thought she was of the lupine persuasion. All those nerve endings in my gut (did you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head?) must be having indigestion. This blows everything I had out of the water. Not that I had much, but, you know, stupid wolves not being who I think they are. Why was it predictable, Nerwen?

It's okay, love. You're new (at least to playing with this fine group) so don't feel bad about being off about things. And just because you were wrong about Agan doesn't mean you weren't right in other areas. You're doing great, Ilya. No worries.

Originally Posted by the phantom

How selfish of you. Assuming that the entire kill was based on lynching you! How arrogant. How self centered!

The plan was obviously to set up me to be lynched.

Obviously....*more eyerolling*

Originally Posted by the phantom

Hey, now, some of us are just now finding out the kill, and are still in shock. Not all of us knew several hours ago like you did, so just keep your snide comments to yourself.

Heh. Actually that's along the lines of what I was thinking. Minus the "snide comments" line, but hey. Not all of us can be that rude....erm, special.

Originally Posted by Ilya

No need to take that tone, tp. I could say it's arrogant of you and Boro to assume the kill was about getting one of you lynched. I don't get how that would work. Both of y'all trusted Agan. I don't know what case a wolf could reasonably stir up. It'd be much easier to drive me to the gallows, since I've continually said I suspected Agan. That said, Nerwen, you're being odd and it's weirding me out.

Chillax, Ilya. Like the rest of the players, you just have to get used to our ever-irritating Phantom over here. He's kidding a good 3/4 of the time, and even when he's not he's completely clueless anyway.

Originally Posted by Ilya

If only, if only.


Wherein you do a triplebluff where we all expect that you know that we know that you knew Agan was a formidible anti-wolf force, so you know you that someone would call you on it so you know to say that that's obviously what the wolves know, even though you know that's what we know.

Honestly, this is what y'all sound like sometimes.

Heh. Yeah, I have the same feeling occasionally. By the way, that 'theory' of yours was hilarious.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Simple. Agan's death both eliminates a strong player and potentially frames multiple people.

Thanks for explaining your kill to us, Nerwen. I figured it was just because so many people (okay, me and the Hardy Boys over there *points to Boro and Phantom, who are lining up little toy soldiers around a Barbie Dream House*) thought she was innocent.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Oh, and fyi, I met Sally in person a few hours ago.

She ordered her hamburger cooked extremely rare, and when I told a joke she howled with laughter.

Beware!

Oi! You best beware, 'little boy', or that post will come back to bite you!

Originally Posted by Ilya

Sounds like she put you in a bit of a furry situation, phantom.

Why yes, I have a paper to write. Why do you ask?

Tehe. I love humor. *giggles, then posts this and goes to catch up again*


EDIT: x'd since the Ilya post I quoted at the end of mine.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Thanks for explaining your kill to us, Nerwen. I figured it was just because so many people (okay, me and the Hardy Boys over there *points to Boro and Phantom, who are lining up little toy soldiers around a Barbie Dream House*) thought she was innocent.

So that's why you did it, wolfisaloser2005? *slaps forehead* Trust me to get over-complicated.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Because that's sort of why I declared her innocent and said what I did about her. I thought for sure she was not a WW, and not the Seer, but an Ordo that was likely to be a lynching distraction to other Ordos, and therefore thought it best that she die during the Night. So I did what I could to make her look like an attractive target.

That does it. Since, as far as I know, this game isn't innocent vs. innocent, there's no way you can be innocent. I don't believe this.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

That does it. Since, as far as I know, this game isn't innocent vs. innocent, there's no way you can be innocent. I don't believe this.

But there is a logic to it, Shasta.

What I am on the fence about myself is whether or not it's just a cover-story (i.e. one that allows the wolves to lynch the people most dangerous to them and blame the deaths on framing-attempts.)

EDIT: x'd with Brinniel.

[satansaloser2005]

To follow on from what Boro said, the McCaber kill tells us a lot about the wolves, although Cabbie himself said very little.


Why get rid of Cabbie when he's (as of yet) not posing a threat to you? There's no ranger in your way, why not go for a loud, very experienced player (which isn't to say that Cabbie is a newbie, because he's not) and get one of the big threats out of the way.

For instance, the way I play. (Like I should be telling you all this, but I'm trying to prove a point.)


When I'm seer, my first night dream is ALWAYS someone I know I can rely on to make a lot of trouble. Well, not so much trouble as noise I suppose. That way I already know where they're coming from and can gauge other's reactions from theirs. Either that or someone I thoroughly enjoy playing with, and then I pretty much hope they're innocent so I don't have to kill them. (For instance, the game where I was a seer on here my first dream was Nog.)

When I'm a wolf, and there's a ranger, my first night kill is either a person whom I see as a threat just because of who they are, a person whom I don't like playing with as much as the others (don't take offense at that, any of my/our past kills from other games. I rarely use that as a kill pick method) or for who I think the seer might be (if it doesn't seem too obvious, as in they're leaving fairly big seer hints and I think they'll be protected). Granted, last game I didn't follow that pattern, but if I recall properly Gollum really wanted Legate dead. Moving on....if there's no ranger I go for the seer the first night. Period.



Can I use old games as evidence? I really don't think so, but my argument will make more sense if I mention this. One game I was an ordo and Nerwen was a wolf (I can't remember who her packmates were and it's pretty much irrelevant). I died the first night. That's right, Sally died the first night. Random kill much, children? (Also, you don't kill Sally the first night. You just don't. You keep me around to lynch, dang it! )

Sorry, I digress again. Anyway, I believe it was early in the second Day that Nerwen mentioned something about the ranger. There is no ranger in this game. Now she may have been kidding around, but my theory?

You don't kill someone like Cabbie the first night unless you're playing a risky game. You go for the seer unless there's a ranger, and even then you try. So if you think there's a ranger and you're the kind of player who likes to kill off semi-random people, who would you go for? Someone like Cabbie. And who would do that? Someone like Nerwen.

I just woke up. Does this make any sense?


EDIT: x'd with some little green girl.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

To follow on from what Boro said, the McCaber kill tells us a lot about the wolves, although Cabbie himself said very little.


Why get rid of Cabbie when he's (as of yet) not posing a threat to you? There's no ranger in your way, why not go for a loud, very experienced player (which isn't to say that Cabbie is a newbie, because he's not) and get one of the big threats out of the way.

Sally, assume with me for just a moment that both Boro and phantom are wolves, what would happen if one or two of the louder players started dying at night and they did not??? Fingers immediately would be pointed at them for simply being alive. We only have a few loudmouths, although some are exceptionally loud, when Borowolf and tummywolf took inventory on the situation they could make the connection that it would be best to leave the other more vocal players alive for a while. I know that they would be going for the seer first and perhaps they saw something in McCaber and Agan that made them believe they were the seer.

My point is that if the team of 4 consists of at least two loudmouths there is little point in eliminating the other loudmouths that are not part of their pack as it makes people wonder why the two loudest are not dead.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Sally, assume with me for just a moment that both Boro and phantom are wolves, what would happen if one or two of the louder players started dying at night and they did not??? Fingers immediately would be pointed at them for simply being alive. We only have a few loudmouths, although some are exceptionally loud, when Borowolf and tummywolf took inventory on the situation they could make the connection that it would be best to leave the other more vocal players alive for a while. I know that they would be going for the seer first and perhaps they saw something in McCaber and Agan that made them believe they were the seer.

My point is that if the team of 4 consists of at least two loudmouths there is little point in eliminating the other loudmouths that are not part of their pack as it makes people wonder why the two loudest are not dead.

*concedes the point* Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the kill only points to Nerwen. That's just my interpretation of his death.