Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

No matter how daunting the task is, I just wish we could get someone on here who can do the work on you.

We'd need a crack-team of innocents for that sort of task, and since we don't know who is innocent, and I don't think anyone (including me) would be able to stomach that sort task alone.

Maybe we should give phantom a tread for himself. I'm sure this thread would only be half the length it is now.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Nerwen - has given me reason to suspect her. Also, her slip about the ranger looks innocent.

She gives you a reason to uspect her yet she's innocent?

As for the second, in WW people usually use slip to mean a Freudian Slip, so that confused me a bit. Do you just mean her confusion?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I suprised my self and went home afte the cabaret to do some werewolfing before going out. . .

It took my a while, but I finaly read through the posts that have gotten in since I left and I don't have too much new to say. If you notise that I am repeating stuff already said it is because I write my respons as I read through the posts and therefor I do not take into account replies that might follow.

I only really have something to say about Aganzir and Nogrod.

Nogrod: “I don't know if you have come to a conclusion about McCaber being killed or not but to me it looks very puzzling indeed. And it makes me wonder. Why not tp? Why not Boro? Why not me? (add any player you think being a major threat to the wolves). There is no ranger so they roam free at Nights. So why not?”

Will you get you pompous behind down from your high horse mister!
In which way do present a more real threat to the wolves than McCaber did? Where is it written that because you talk a lot on day one means that you will come up with a great theory later in the game, chances are that you will be wrong in all of your suspicions. . .that would not be a first. . .and that McCaber would pick out one of the wolves.
And the fact that you pretend not to see a reason to why McCaber was killed seems extremely suspicious, the only problem is that it seems too obvious.


Aganzir: Tells Little Green to“Elaborate on more tense and more stressed than usual.” I actually think this is an unfair question, LG was not making a massive case against Aganzir. . . She was giving an overview about how she felt about the different people and in such a case you judge also on the feel that you get from the post, something that is often in describable. Now if LG had attacked Aganzir and was confident that she was a wolf, then she would have to elaborate.
Anyways this seems to be Aganzir’s style and I must say it annoys me a great deal.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Phantom

with the way I logically answer questions

Originally Posted by Phantom

There's a reason I made that comment about Gil. If you're innocent, then you'd do well to just agree with it and move on.

Before you ask, I get what you're driving at. (Don't believe it, but I get it.) Just pointing out that the above answer is hardly "logical".

Originally Posted by Phantom

What ridicule? It was, I thought, a logical statement using humor to drive the point home.

It came across as mean. Sorry, that's just how I read it.

Originally Posted by Phantom

Why don't you spend less time getting "annoyed" with the way I logically answer questions and look for Wolves.

Because I'm not already? Thanks, Phantom.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Before you ask, I get what you're driving at.

Glad to hear it. Then we shall agree that Gil is innocent forever and ever.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Just pointing out that the above answer is hardly "logical".

Perhaps not the answer, if you interpret it directly. But if you do indeed understand the reasoning behind why I gave that particular illogical answer, then I think you can agree that it is a logical move.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Because I'm not already? Thanks, Phantom.

Heh. Are you? If so, then please continue and tell me what you have. My suggestion that you weren't looking for Wolves was based upon the fact that you were looking at me.

EDIT: x-post morm

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by me

There's a reason I made that comment about Gil. If you're innocent, then you'd do well to just agree with it and move on.

Originally Posted by morm

This seems awfully threatening my friend...

What do you mean? Like I'm threatening Shasta? Not at all. I'm just letting him know that I have a good reason for saying it and that it is meant to benefit the innocent, therefore if he is innocent he should let it stand.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If so, then please continue and tell me what you have.

I think I've told you... twice, now, Phantom.

[Boromir88]

To be fair though Rune, there is a point.~morm

And Rune's got a point, like I've said McCaber works well off other people's ideas. His style always gets him suspected, but when he's innocent he's dangerous to the wolves, in the way that he appears like he wouldn't be a big threat. He pops-in, says a few sentences, usually who he agrees with and a line about who he thinks is a wolf, votes and then leaves.

Unlike my blabbering which very well leaves me tied in circles and jibbering about all these possibilities. He reads everything and then decides, that's it. If the wolves kill me, there is a much greater possibility that they did it because they thought I was the seer. But with the great risk comes the possibility of a complete blow up in your face. When I'm absolutely wrong and the wolves have me manipulated, it serves their purpose to keep my blabber-mouth alive, because it makes their job of not getting lynched during the day a lot easier.

Edit: crossed with Rune, Shasta, and Eonwe

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Nogrod: “I don't know if you have come to a conclusion about McCaber being killed or not but to me it looks very puzzling indeed. And it makes me wonder. Why not tp? Why not Boro? Why not me? (add any player you think being a major threat to the wolves). There is no ranger so they roam free at Nights. So why not?”

Will you get you pompous behind down from your high horse mister!
In which way do present a more real threat to the wolves than McCaber did? Where is it written that because you talk a lot on day one means that you will come up with a great theory later in the game, chances are that you will be wrong in all of your suspicions. . .that would not be a first. . .and that McCaber would pick out one of the wolves.
And the fact that you pretend not to see a reason to why McCaber was killed seems extremely suspicious, the only problem is that it seems too obvious.

To be fair though Rune, there is a point. It doesn't mean that Noggie is better at WW than McCaber rather he is more well known and experienced. I used to be considered in that lot when I was at my peak of playing. I was well known and very experienced. People like Noggie, Boro, phantom, Lommy etc...are very well known players and have proven many times at how good they are. So his point is a valid one when considered that what he is saying is that those players mentioned are likely to be higher on the wolves radar than other players that are less well known.

It's obvious to me that the wolves thought one of two things, perhaps both, and that is that they thought McCaber was the seer or that they wanted to do a confusing kill. Honestly, it's worked fairly well as I see many of us talking about it over and over and not really getting anywhere with it. I'm not sure how they would have found him the seer other than the fact that he was fairly reseved in that he didn't speak much but he was visible in that he had 11 posts.

There's a reason I made that comment about Gil. If you're innocent, then you'd do well to just agree with it and move on.--Tummy

This seems awfully threatening my friend...

Shasta don't worry about the 'ridicule' thing. I was not bothered by it at all.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by mormegil

To be fair though Rune, there is a point. It doesn't mean that Noggie is better at WW than McCaber rather he is more well known and experienced. I used to be considered in that lot when I was at my peak of playing. I was well known and very experienced. People like Noggie, Boro, phantom, Lommy etc...are very well known players and have proven many times at how good they are. So his point is a valid one when considered that what he is saying is that those players mentioned are likely to be higher on the wolves radar than other players that are less well known.

I truly do not see your point, I belive I know your reasoning and all I can say is that I find it wrong.

I have played many games and Nogrod has also played in many of these and I cannot remember a game where he stood out from the croud in terms of spotting wolves. In some games it was him who kept the wheels turning and that was good for the game, but I am not sure that it was bad for the wolves.

btw I still consider you well known and experienced.

We can all agree that Nogrod have more experience than McCabber, but that was not what he said. . . He said he was more of a threat to the wolves that McCabber, these things are not the same.

Could one not argue that because Nogrod is more well known it is easier for the wolves to protect them selves against him, where a more unknown player is a bigger threat. At least it is a threat from which they know no defence.

Anyways I am ready to hit the town now and that means I will be voting in 10 min. or so.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

She gives you a reason to uspect her yet she's innocent?

Ah, I see Greenie already mentioned that that part sounded wrong.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What I found weird was the seeming lack of reasoning behind people's suspicion; "Hey let's suspect him because others do it too!" Greenie said it was weird how Legate was lynched without any proper case against him and I think she's quite right. And I can admit I didn't have a real case, either.

So why didn't you stand out from the crowd? Why didn't you try to lynch someone you really thought was a wolf? Here you are admitting to bandwaggoning without a good reason. At least you amit it. or maybe you are just putting it out in the open so that people say that and dpn't think that you're hiding something.

[Eönwë]

I'm falling alseep, so I'll just go:

++Lommy for Representative


I willl explain this and my suspicions in the second half.



PS.Have only managed to read until end of first half of this page.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Mormegil for Representative

It stood between him and Boromir, both have made exelent cases for their view points through out the day. I am not saying that they are innocent, but I like their way of going about things and also some of the stuff they say. . . I want a my Representative to have style and not be afraid of saying things as they are.
Also I don't want a representative that flood posts.

I think it would be interesting if some Representative got a lot of power compared to the rest, it might give the voting a new dynamic. I don't know where it would take us, but I would sure like to find out.

Anyways why did I chose Morm over Boro, well to be honest there is just something sweet about voting an enemy of old into a possition of power.

EDIT: CROSS POSTED WITH BOROMIR

[the phantom]

Lommy for Ner
Ner for Lommy
Agan for Boro
morm for Agan
KA for Lommy (2)
Green for morm
Eonwe for Lommy (3)
Rune for morm (2)

So our Reps:
Lommy- 3 votes
morm- 2 votes

*sigh*

I would've liked to see Green, Kath, Agan, Rune, and Boro as Reps. At least I know I can get one of them in.

[Nogrod]

Like I said, we would have changes in the representatives...

Now why don't you like tp any more?


Anyway, I'm giving Boro a third vote even if parts of toDay are just black areas to me as I had no time to read them all. I'll try to catch up tomorrow as it's now 3AM here... Happily we have these 48 hour-Days!

But I really want to see what Boro does with the power invested on him on that scale... even if it narrows down the number of the representatives.
(Think of the game balance indeed! Seven "two-voters" are the happiest place for the wolves qualified... after not being a representative in the first place, that is)

I don't trust him at all at this moment but I want to check his cards whatever it leads to.

++ Boro for representative

This Day has shown how this game works.

Lommy for Nerwen
Ner for Lommy
Agan for Boro
morm for Agan
KA for Lommy (2)
Green for morm
Eonwe for Lommy (3)
Rune for morm (2)
Kath for Boro (2)
Shasta for Nerwen (2)
Nogrod for Boro (3)


EDIt: X'd with Boro x2

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Ilya

Phantom beat me to making a list, but I daresay my titles are snappier.

Rub it in, why don't you. *pouts*

Ah, and Brin is thinking of voting for Kath. In case she does, I ought to reread both Agan and Kath to see which way my Rep vote should go. Or do either of you not want to be a Rep?

Why am I asking? They're in bed, aren't they?

Bleh.

And KA- are we going to be seeing more of you?

[Nogrod]

I was going to sleep but caught this...

Originally Posted by Boro

I'm not sure why you're trying to alienate me on this one, when I brought it up as a possible reason that could point to your innocence. I said McCaber's death could have been an attempt at a set-up, with Lommy and Agan both saying it points to you. And as I said, I fully intend, and still do, plan to pursue that possibility, but I wanted to hear your response to my accusations first.

Hah. Long live multicultural understanding and faring together with the global English...!

I saw it as you were making a point against me. No wonder what you said looked silly to me and raised my already risen eyebrows...

But that was my bad. I see it now. Sorry.

Even if that doesn't mean I'm anything like confident with you after that one - far from it! You have a thing or two to explain until I trust you - starting with why were you making some of those really shallow cases... like the one you stubbornly re-made even if I had answered it already?


I really need to have time to check the things that have been said earlier toDay as I think I'm missing something here... But it will be tomorrow.


And congrats to our representatives!

Make better judgements we did yesterDay...


EDit: X'd with a few...

[Boromir88]

To keep up-to-date on possible reps, I don't think anything's changed. I want to give some new faces who I think will be straight forward...Rune or Greenie (I've dropped morm, because he's in now, and I don't want to give him three votes - sorry morm I just don't trust you that much yet). Speaking of three votes, I see Lommy's accrued three of them...what's some thoughts on that?

Also, I'm toying with the idea of going with an incumbent - Agan. And knowing that tp will now truly be ok as an advisor, I feel fine leaving him out of a seat this time through.

Edit: crossed with tp

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

Also, I'm toying with the idea of going with an incumbent - Agan. And knowing that tp will now truly be ok as an advisor, I feel fine leaving him out of a seat this time through.

Yeah, I don't need to vote. I'll still be around and be as active as I'm able to be whether I'm going to vote or not.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Speaking of three votes, I see Lommy's accrued three of them...what's some thoughts on that?

My thought is that no matter how many reps come from here out if they all stay at the power of 2 each that:

1. Lommy is the most powerful for better or worse and holds the most sway
2. That there is likely not going to be a tie in the voting, which is overall a good thing.

Other than that I think it is inevitable that there will be reps with slightly more power than others. I'm not overly concerned about it, I would start to get concerned if one person has 50% or more of the total voting power.

[Kath]

I'll help out with getting Boro in phantom, having done a (very quick!) read of the thread since I failed to do so before leaving earlier he is coming across as pretty innocent to me. Lommy I still feel is innocent and I would have voted for her but she already has enough votes to be a Rep and Boro is second on my list of those I think innocent and he doesn't.

++BORO for Rep

I'm sorry about not being around much. I will be tomorrow for at least the last 6/7 hours of the Day - it's just a busy weekend!

Oh, one other thing. Shasta is getting pretty defensive and cross. This makes me think he is innocent as he's quite like Mith in that respect, really doesn't like what to him (if he's an ordo who obviously knows he's an ordo) are baseless accusations. That's what I'm getting from his reaction to people questioning him.