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Thinlómien · 11-08-2008, 12:02 PM

Just for the record, filibusters are going to rocket to the top of my lynch list!!!

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-08-2008, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

And I've just had a thought- since there will be so much voting in this game, I ask that rather than bolding your votes, you highlight them like so:

++Fea

Just the voting votes (for lynching) or the representative-voting votes as well?

Just trying...

++Huh

Yes, it works.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Just for the record, filibusters are going to rocket to the top of my lynch list!!!

Heijjj, but I want to be a filibuster!

And, Fea, how would then the filibustering be discerned? Would somebody post something like:

++filibustering++

and when he decided to end it

/filibustering

(or simply ceasing to post).

By the way, also, it will be, I think, really complicated to maintain the rule whether somebody is filibustering or not. For, unless the Mod were to sit by the computer and moderate it in some way (which is impossible anyway), it could (possibly) come to a situation "Hey, he voted when I was still filibustering!" - "No, I didn't! You weren't filibustering already for a minute!" - "No, according to my clock it had not been a minute yet!" etc.

Thinlómien · 11-08-2008, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Heijjj, but I want to be a filibuster!

I know, and I have no doubt I would love trying it too. But on the other hand, I'm sure all the filibustering is going to drive me crazy, so I'm going to vote filibusters just out of annoyance.

And I agree that there should be some easy way of discerning when someone's filibustering and when s/he's not.

Eönwë · 11-08-2008, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

By the way, also, it will be, I think, really complicated to maintain the rule whether somebody is filibustering or not. For, unless the Mod were to sit by the computer and moderate it in some way (which is impossible anyway), it could (possibly) come to a situation "Hey, he voted when I was still filibustering!" - "No, I didn't! You weren't filibustering already for a minute!" - "No, according to my clock it had not been a minute yet!" etc.

I can imagine the chaos!

I'm sure some people *cough*tp*cough* will love it!

++Yay it works

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-08-2008, 04:22 PM

I certainly can't sit around and watch for a filibuster all day. So what will need to happen is the person who is filibustering will post

Initializing Filibuster

and must post on one specific topic which directly relates to werewolf. People may continue to post while the filibuster is in progress, but they may not vote until it ends.

The filibuster will end either when:

1) the player in question types End Filibuster

2) at least half of the surviving village votes

++cloture

which will force the filibuster to end

3) the player who is filibustering fails to post within the required time, which is every two minutes according to what the 'Downs clock says.

Example:

If Filibuster Post 1 occurs at 12:01pm EST Downs Time, then Filibuster Post 2 must occur before the clock changes to 12:04pm EST Downs Time.

This will be self-moderated, as players will be able to see for themselves what time the post went through.

No player is allowed more than one filibuster per game. I'm looking at you, Misters Phantom and 88.

Of course the simplest way to deal with a filibuster will be to keep it from happening at all, in which case one votes prior to it occurring:

++No Filibuster

At least one half of the village must vote against a filibuster every Day to keep one from occurring.

---

Summary:

You'll want to either approve or deny a filibuster every day.

If a filibuster occurs, the only way to end it is to vote it down with ++cloture. Voting to end a filibuster is not the same as voting for a Representative or voting for a werewolf.

A filibuster may occur at any time during the Day, meaning that if a player filibusters before Representatives are chosen, no Representatives may be chosen until the filibuster ends.

A filibustering player is equally disallowed from voting while s/he is filibustering.

My advice to you all? Don't let a filibuster happen and you won't have to figure out how to stop it.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-08-2008, 04:44 PM

Hmm... one note at least, Fea. Isn't it a bit complicated with the cloture and no filibuster voting? Wouldn't it be easier to simply place only one unified voting there, and count f.ex. the original "no filibustering" votes into the cloture later?

And especially with cloture, I really don't believe there will be half village around at the time of filibustering, just because of the time (not everybody will be online at the same time).

And I still have these doubts I voiced in my earlier post. (Gah, this sounds like WW itself!) But whatever, you are the Mod, not me. But I just think I should point that out.

Nogrod · 11-08-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

And especially with cloture, I really don't believe there will be half village around at the time of filibustering, just because of the time (not everybody will be online at the same time).

But isn't that just the point?

Well anyhow, we Europeans will probably not be in a position to need to think about these weird political devices used in the American democracy as the deadline is what it is. So to me at least that's just okay as long as the Americans can settle that between themselves. I will be sleeping or sometimes trying to wake up a little after the deadline eg. the time of any reasonable filibusters going on so...

++ Trying though

Okay, I know now how to react if it becomes possible or necessary...

Anyway, the most intriguing concept Fea - if I haven't said that before. Just marvellous!

Ilya · 11-08-2008, 10:15 PM

Wikipedia is the best thing ever.

The filibuster procedure seems very sound to me. The one thing, and it may be too impractical given all the complexities of the existing rules, is that in a filibuster, the only time anyone else gets to talk on the floor is if the senator yields to a question. It follows that in order for other players to post on the board, the village filibuster also would have to yield the board for a question. Other players would still all be able to PM each other, and indeed it might be a courtesy for anyone around to let the those on whichever side of the pond is in the dark that a filibuster is going on.

This is going to be a fantastic game, y'all. I'm psyched.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-09-2008, 01:53 PM

Special roles have been sent out. There are four wolves and one seer. If you did not receive a PM, you are an ordinary villager.

Any PMs which are sent to the moddess should be sent, I'm sure you know, to all three moddesses.

Day One will begin tomorrow night.

Let the insanity begin.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-10-2008, 11:31 AM

The Moddesses:

Fea
Mithalwen
Rikae

The Roles:

4 – corrupt politicians (werewolves)
1 – zealous reporter (seer)
X – ordinary villagers

Night Time:

Nights will last 24 hours.

The wolves have the right and ability to communicate amongst themselves. They will choose a villager to kill. They will send the name of this villager to the moderator at least one hour before Day is to begin. That villager will be found dead at dawn.

The seer has the right and ability to request the identity of one villager per night from the moderator.

Day Time:

Days will last 48 hours.

During the Day, wolves are forbidden from communicating amongst themselves via Private Message.

The Day will contain two deadlines.

Deadline One will occur at the end of the first 24 hours. It is by Deadline One that the villagers must choose who will represent their interests in the final vote. Villagers will not vote for the player they believe to be a wolf. Villagers will vote for another villager to represent them: these chosen players are thence forward called Representatives. A player must acquire two non-retractable votes of confidence in order to become a Representative. A player may never vote for his or herself. A Representative’s vote carries as much power as there were votes to make said player a Representative, therefore: the final vote of a Representative who was chosen by four villagers will have exactly twice as much weight as the final vote of a Representative who was chosen by only two villagers. As long as a villager has received at least two non-retractable votes of confidence from the village before Deadline One, s/he will be considered a Representative for the final vote.

Votes of confidence (which elect Representatives) should appear as:

++Fea for Representative

Deadline Two will coincide with the end of the Day (24 hours after Deadline One). It is by Deadline Two that the village’s chosen Representatives must decide upon who will be lynched. To reiterate: the village will have 24 hours during which to choose Representatives, who will have a further 24 hours to vote for who they think should be lynched as a wolf. Representatives are by no means obligated to vote according to the wishes of their constituents, though it should be obvious that voting against the wishes of the people who elected you will probably result in bad karma.

The final non-retractable lynch-vote given by a Representative as a means to choose which villager is to be killed at the end of Day should appear as:

++Lynch Fea

All villagers are allowed to talk for the entire duration of the Day, but only Representatives may vote after Deadline One.

Deadlines will be measured by the Barrowdowns clock.

On Filibustering:

I certainly can't sit around and watch for a filibuster all day. So what will need to happen is the person who is filibustering will post

Initializing Filibuster

and must post on one specific topic which directly relates to werewolf. People may continue to post while the filibuster is in progress, but they may not vote until it ends.

The filibuster will end either when:

1) the player in question types End Filibuster

2) at least half of the surviving village votes

++cloture

which will force the filibuster to end

3) the player who is filibustering fails to post within the required time, which is every two minutes according to what the 'Downs clock says.

Example:

If Filibuster Post 1 occurs at 12:01pm EST Downs Time, then Filibuster Post 2 must occur before the clock changes to 12:04pm EST Downs Time.

This will be self-moderated, as players will be able to see for themselves what time the post went through.

No player is allowed more than one filibuster per game. I'm looking at you, Misters Phantom and 88.

Of course the simplest way to deal with a filibuster will be to keep it from happening at all, in which case one votes prior to it occurring:

++No Filibuster

At least one half of the village must vote against a filibuster every Day to keep one from occurring.

Summarized Rules:

Votes are non-retractable and should be highlighted.

You may never vote for yourself.

In the event of a tie-vote amongst Representatives, multiple lynches will occur.

Wolves may only PM at Night.

Dead players may communicate with each other about the game if they so desire, but not with players who are still alive. No crossing planes of existence.

Deadlines occur at 11:00pm EST ‘Downs time. Any votes logged at 11:01 or later will not be counted.

As this game could easily fall into discussions of politics, role-playing is strictly prohibited. I'll handle narrative characterization by referencing in-game events. This game is absolutely not to break Barrowdowns Policy in any manner, but specifically in regard to political opinions. Keep ‘em to yourselves. Any breach of this rule will result in immediate and merciless modfire. If the delinquent player’s vote has already been cast, the vote will be disqualified. This remains true even if the player is a chosen Representative. Keep that in mind: if you’re a Rep and you get modfired, you’re throwing away the vote of every person who chose you. There will be no exceptions to this rule. Absolutely no personal politics, end of story.

You'll want to either approve or deny a filibuster every day.

If a filibuster occurs, the only way to end it is to vote it down. Voting to end a filibuster is not the same as voting for a Representative or voting for a werewolf and is therefore not blocked by the filibuster the same way those two types of votes are.

A filibuster may occur at any time during either two parts of the Day.

A filibustering player is equally disallowed from voting while s/he is filibustering.

Players may continue to post on the thread during a filibuster, they simply cannot vote.

The voting options at your disposal:

Day, Part One:
++Fea for Representative by anybody
++No Filibuster by anybody
++cloture by anybody, if a filibuster begins
Initializing Filibuster and End Filibuster by a player wishing to use his right to speak at length

Day, Part Two:
++Lynch Fea only by Representatives
++No Filibuster by anybody
++cloture by anybody, if a filibuster begins
Initializing Filibuster and End Filibuster by a player wishing to use his right to speak at length

Player List:

Aganzir
Boromir88
Brinniel
Diamond18
Eönwë
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Kath
Legate
Lommy
McCaber
Mormegil
Nerwen
Nogrod
Rune
Sally
Shasta
The Ka
the phantom

satansaloser2005 · 11-12-2008, 11:00 PM

Yes, I know, I'm stupid, but....

Why is Di dead? (Or should I not know for some reason?)

Gah, I hope asking isn't a really bad plan, but I'm rather confused. *scurries*

mormegil · 11-09-2008, 09:39 PM

Testing

Okay, so I haven't come to the Downs for the past 3 or 4 days so I'm trying to catch up on all the things...will there be a synopsis of the rules when this is all decided?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-09-2008, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mormegil

will there be a synopsis of the rules when this is all decided?

Tomorrow after I'm done with classes I'll put up a synopsis so that you guys don't have to trawl your way through the thread in search of information.

As for now, my voice is shot and I'm tired. Yay for amazing concert-going experiences.

11-08-2008, 12:02 PM	#1
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Just for the record, filibusters are going to rocket to the top of my lynch list!!! __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

11-08-2008, 04:22 PM	#5
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	I certainly can't sit around and watch for a filibuster all day. So what will need to happen is the person who is filibustering will post Initializing Filibuster and must post on one specific topic which directly relates to werewolf. People may continue to post while the filibuster is in progress, but they may not vote until it ends. The filibuster will end either when: 1) the player in question types End Filibuster 2) at least half of the surviving village votes ++cloture which will force the filibuster to end 3) the player who is filibustering fails to post within the required time, which is every two minutes according to what the 'Downs clock says. Example: If Filibuster Post 1 occurs at 12:01pm EST Downs Time, then Filibuster Post 2 must occur before the clock changes to 12:04pm EST Downs Time. This will be self-moderated, as players will be able to see for themselves what time the post went through. No player is allowed more than one filibuster per game. I'm looking at you, Misters Phantom and 88. Of course the simplest way to deal with a filibuster will be to keep it from happening at all, in which case one votes prior to it occurring: ++No Filibuster At least one half of the village must vote against a filibuster every Day to keep one from occurring. --- Summary: You'll want to either approve or deny a filibuster every day. If a filibuster occurs, the only way to end it is to vote it down with ++cloture. Voting to end a filibuster is not the same as voting for a Representative or voting for a werewolf. A filibuster may occur at any time during the Day, meaning that if a player filibusters before Representatives are chosen, no Representatives may be chosen until the filibuster ends. A filibustering player is equally disallowed from voting while s/he is filibustering. My advice to you all? Don't let a filibuster happen and you won't have to figure out how to stop it. __________________ peace

11-08-2008, 04:44 PM	#6
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Hmm... one note at least, Fea. Isn't it a bit complicated with the cloture and no filibuster voting? Wouldn't it be easier to simply place only one unified voting there, and count f.ex. the original "no filibustering" votes into the cloture later? And especially with cloture, I really don't believe there will be half village around at the time of filibustering, just because of the time (not everybody will be online at the same time). And I still have these doubts I voiced in my earlier post. (Gah, this sounds like WW itself!) But whatever, you are the Mod, not me. But I just think I should point that out. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-08-2008, 10:15 PM	#8
Ilya Wight Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: In the cold Posts: 202	Wikipedia is the best thing ever. The filibuster procedure seems very sound to me. The one thing, and it may be too impractical given all the complexities of the existing rules, is that in a filibuster, the only time anyone else gets to talk on the floor is if the senator yields to a question. It follows that in order for other players to post on the board, the village filibuster also would have to yield the board for a question. Other players would still all be able to PM each other, and indeed it might be a courtesy for anyone around to let the those on whichever side of the pond is in the dark that a filibuster is going on. This is going to be a fantastic game, y'all. I'm psyched. __________________ Arvedui III has walked to Rivendell! Last edited by Ilya; 11-08-2008 at 10:23 PM.

11-09-2008, 01:53 PM	#9
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Official Notice: Special roles have been sent out. There are four wolves and one seer. If you did not receive a PM, you are an ordinary villager. Any PMs which are sent to the moddess should be sent, I'm sure you know, to all three moddesses. Day One will begin tomorrow night. Let the insanity begin. __________________ peace

11-10-2008, 11:31 AM	#10
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	*The Moddesses:* Fea Mithalwen Rikae *The Roles:* 4 – corrupt politicians (werewolves) 1 – zealous reporter (seer) X – ordinary villagers *Night Time:* Nights will last 24 hours. The wolves have the right and ability to communicate amongst themselves. They will choose a villager to kill. They will send the name of this villager to the moderator at least one hour before Day is to begin. That villager will be found dead at dawn. The seer has the right and ability to request the identity of one villager per night from the moderator. *Day Time:* Days will last 48 hours. During the Day, wolves are forbidden from communicating amongst themselves via Private Message. The Day will contain two deadlines. Deadline One will occur at the end of the first 24 hours. It is by Deadline One that the villagers must choose who will represent their interests in the final vote. Villagers will not vote for the player they believe to be a wolf. Villagers will vote for another villager to represent them: these chosen players are thence forward called Representatives. A player must acquire two non-retractable votes of confidence in order to become a Representative. A player may never vote for his or herself. A Representative’s vote carries as much power as there were votes to make said player a Representative, therefore: the final vote of a Representative who was chosen by four villagers will have exactly twice as much weight as the final vote of a Representative who was chosen by only two villagers. As long as a villager has received at least two non-retractable votes of confidence from the village before Deadline One, s/he will be considered a Representative for the final vote. Votes of confidence (which elect Representatives) should appear as: ++Fea for Representative Deadline Two will coincide with the end of the Day (24 hours after Deadline One). It is by Deadline Two that the village’s chosen Representatives must decide upon who will be lynched. To reiterate: the village will have 24 hours during which to choose Representatives, who will have a further 24 hours to vote for who they think should be lynched as a wolf. Representatives are by no means obligated to vote according to the wishes of their constituents, though it should be obvious that voting against the wishes of the people who elected you will probably result in bad karma. The final non-retractable lynch-vote given by a Representative as a means to choose which villager is to be killed at the end of Day should appear as: ++Lynch Fea All villagers are allowed to talk for the entire duration of the Day, but only Representatives may vote after Deadline One. Deadlines will be measured by the Barrowdowns clock. *On Filibustering:* I certainly can't sit around and watch for a filibuster all day. So what will need to happen is the person who is filibustering will post Initializing Filibuster and must post on one specific topic which directly relates to werewolf. People may continue to post while the filibuster is in progress, but they may not vote until it ends. The filibuster will end either when: 1) the player in question types End Filibuster 2) at least half of the surviving village votes ++cloture which will force the filibuster to end 3) the player who is filibustering fails to post within the required time, which is every two minutes according to what the 'Downs clock says. Example: If Filibuster Post 1 occurs at 12:01pm EST Downs Time, then Filibuster Post 2 must occur *before* the clock changes to 12:04pm EST Downs Time. This will be self-moderated, as players will be able to see for themselves what time the post went through. No player is allowed more than one filibuster per game. I'm looking at you, Misters Phantom and 88. Of course the simplest way to deal with a filibuster will be to keep it from happening at all, in which case one votes prior to it occurring: ++No Filibuster At least one half of the village must vote against a filibuster every Day to keep one from occurring. *Summarized Rules:* Votes are non-retractable and should be highlighted. You may never vote for yourself. In the event of a tie-vote amongst Representatives, multiple lynches will occur. Wolves may only PM at Night. Dead players may communicate with each other about the game if they so desire, but not with players who are still alive. No crossing planes of existence. Deadlines occur at 11:00pm EST ‘Downs time. Any votes logged at 11:01 or later will not be counted. As this game could easily fall into discussions of politics, role-playing is strictly prohibited. I'll handle narrative characterization by referencing in-game events. This game is absolutely not to break Barrowdowns Policy in any manner, but specifically in regard to political opinions. Keep ‘em to yourselves. Any breach of this rule will result in immediate and merciless modfire. If the delinquent player’s vote has already been cast, the vote will be disqualified. This remains true even if the player is a chosen Representative. Keep that in mind: if you’re a Rep and you get modfired, you’re throwing away the vote of every person who chose you. There will be no exceptions to this rule. Absolutely no personal politics, end of story. You'll want to either approve or deny a filibuster every day. If a filibuster occurs, the only way to end it is to vote it down. Voting to end a filibuster is not the same as voting for a Representative or voting for a werewolf and is therefore not blocked by the filibuster the same way those two types of votes are. A filibuster may occur at any time during either two parts of the Day. A filibustering player is equally disallowed from voting while s/he is filibustering. Players may continue to post on the thread during a filibuster, they simply cannot vote. The voting options at your disposal: Day, Part One: ++Fea for Representative by anybody ++No Filibuster by anybody ++cloture by anybody, if a filibuster begins Initializing Filibuster and End Filibuster by a player wishing to use his right to speak at length Day, Part Two: ++Lynch Fea only by Representatives ++No Filibuster by anybody ++cloture by anybody, if a filibuster begins Initializing Filibuster and End Filibuster by a player wishing to use his right to speak at length *Player List:* Aganzir Boromir88 Brinniel Diamond18 Eönwë Gil-Galad Greenie Gwathagor Ilya Kath Legate Lommy McCaber Mormegil Nerwen Nogrod Rune Sally Shasta The Ka the phantom __________________ peace

11-12-2008, 11:00 PM	#11
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Yes, I know, I'm stupid, but.... Why is Di dead? (Or should I not know for some reason?) Gah, I hope asking isn't a really bad plan, but I'm rather confused. scurries __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

11-09-2008, 09:39 PM	#12
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Testing Okay, so I haven't come to the Downs for the past 3 or 4 days so I'm trying to catch up on all the things...will there be a synopsis of the rules when this is all decided? __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”