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Thinlómien · 10-27-2008, 03:41 PM

Okay, maybe I'm paranoidly self-centered, but I don't like Mac's suspicion of me because it seems so... easy. He often suspects me, and he's generally been quite good at reading me. This time, he jumps on me all too easily. It looks like an evil Mac who has found a good culprit - someone he often suspects (won't raise eyebrows) and someone he is reputedly rather good at reading (might persuade people to agree with him).

There have been interesting points against Groin and Kitanna. I'm inclined to agree but I'd rather reread and see for myself. The only problem is that it's rather late here...

I find it fascinating that first there's this wave of votes and suspicion against Rikae, and then there comes a huge wave of defending her. Makes me raise my eyebrows.

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Originally Posted by Mac

I'm not comfortable with the general focus of suspicions at the moment (almost exclusively me, Rikae, Aganzir, and Lommy). Too many people got by without anybody noticing. Please, have a closer look at things each of you. There's an incredible number of submarines right now.

Ooh Mac says something I totally agree with!

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Originally Posted by Greenie

Let's see... How about electromagnetic wave equations?

Wikipedia says: "The electromagnetic wave equation is a second-order partial differential equation that describes the propagation of electromagnetic waves through a medium or in a vacuum." and I can support this view 100%.

I'm entertaining myself with the thought of Mac and Agan being lovers...

Lastly, I don't like the fact that I suspect Mac and Rikae probably the most at the moment. I haven't played with them for ages and I love playing with them so I don't really want to see them go early... *grumblegrumblegrumble*

edit: xed with Agan's #125 and everything after that...

Eönwë · 10-27-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Lastly, I don't like the fact that I suspect Mac and Rikae probably the most at the moment. I haven't played with them for ages and I love playing with them so I don't really want to see them go early

I definitely agree with you there... even if you are suspicious (and silly

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Eönwë · 10-27-2008, 03:57 PM

Ok, let's do votes (not many, but...):

Eomer: Rikae
Kitanna: Rikae (2)
Greenie: Groin

I think that's it. It just helps for me to see them all in one place.

Eönwë · 10-27-2008, 04:04 PM

I should probably sleep, but I haven't got any good ideas yet.

What makes it harder is I'm afraid to accuse a gifted.

Nogrod · 10-27-2008, 04:04 PM

I still think the basic idea fits and there are three or four lover-pairs of which one is an innocent and another is a baddie (whatever weresalmon or wererhinoceros they are). Di said there might be adjustments, but not that there would be a total overhaul of the lovers game.

That means many baddies (and innocents with evil intent) will attack other baddies (and innocents with evil intent) as they both don't know about each other and because they wish to do away with the others.

That's all for the village to gain!

And even if we go "Hoy Bresil" -style the individual wolves would easily go after the lover of a buddy-wolf. Although Di said there are no wolves in this game which kind of confirms to me the first interpretation...

So we must also read the Days after this one a bit differently than we are used to. The normal patterns do not hold. And hopefully the carnage of the next Night will actually teach us something about the build-up of this game.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 10-27-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

"Hoy Bresil" -style

Hoy Bresil...?

Eönwë · 10-27-2008, 04:12 PM

What worries me is that there is a significant number of evil people, and if they do know each other, as has been suggested, then they might be enough to shift the votes. Now that it scary.
If not, then we might get lots of votes for different people (the lovers probably trying not vote the same as their other half) on the later days. This could mean that potentially anyone could change the lynchee.

We shall see how it turns out.

And now Nogrod seems to talk sense...

Lalaith · 10-27-2008, 04:19 PM

Guys, don't you listen to your Moddess, or you trying to be deliberately confusing?

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But I do feel moved to note that there are no "Werewolves." This is a "Lovers" game

That's what she says in the Admin thread. So, no, no Hoy Bresil.

Oh, and I am also now even more slightly suspicious of Fea's veracity, when I see that she is claiming to "hate confusion."

Feanor of the Peredhil · 10-27-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

Oh, and I am also now even more slightly suspicious of Fea's veracity, when I see that she is claiming to "hate confusion."

Why do you think I only ever play really simple games and mod the nutty ones? I need everything to be obsessively laid out in front of me for me to function on a human level. I don't do so well dealing rationally with too many variables. I'd have skipped this game entirely if I didn't so badly want Di to play in my upcoming game- which is, in fact, going to be rather insane. [/shameless advertising]

Eönwë · 10-27-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Hoy Bresil...?

Hoy Bresil...?

Others: "Hoy Bresil...?"

Nogrod: It's only a model.

All: Shh!

Nogrod · 10-27-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Hoy Bresil...?

Gah...

Okay.

I'm a bit suspicious of Kit's way of defending Mac.

I'm a bit suspicious of Sally's way of posting.

That I have said already.

I'd like to add the following.

Eomer's self-assured vote-post (the only one he made) bothers me a lot.

With Groin I have a problem of separating a possible blatant chauvinism out from a possible mischievous link to Legate in this game.

Fea's explanations about more time in hand and playing the old-school games is enough for me, toDay at least. She has been very reasonable toDay.

The same (reasonableness) goes for Lalaith and in a way to Brinn as well.

So a slight reason to vote:
Kit
Sally
Eomer

A slight reason to vote for being a submarine, hopefully in a pair:
McCaber
Shasta
Gwath

Of the disputed talks of the town toDay I'd prefer leaving Agan and Rikae alive toDay.

I'm very much at loss with Mac, Legate and Lommy. There are reasons why I should vote each and every one of them but I'm afraid they all are not baddies - God forbid they are! But what I said about the probable dynamics of this game we'll be much more informed toMorrow - and I really think we should have those who talk around rather than those who give us no food for thought and only need to be guessed at in random...

That said, I'm going to sleep and will try to wake up early enough to read & vote in the morning before the deadline.

EDIT: X'd after Fea's Hoy Bresil remark...

Macalaure · 10-27-2008, 04:37 PM

I'm rapidly losing my ability to think, so here's the last of mine for today:

I don't know what to do with Legate, but I'll give him the benefit of doubt for today. He admitted that he had not much against me and reconsidered his suspicion, but only pedalled back a little bit. It sounded somewhat honest.

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Originally Posted by Legate

You were just behaving all the time along the lines "I am your friend, people of Congo"

Eh?

I'm afraid Legate and Aganzir have to share my benefit of doubt. There seems to have been a bit of a mutual misunderstanding.

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Are you sure you didn't criticize me just because I said I'd actually prefer voting you?

Umm, yes?

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Originally Posted by Lommy

One more point against Mac?

I don't know. Is it? You found it, you should know...

...but you decided to give your point in the form of a rhetorical question, and I think that's a rather wolvish way to suspect someone.

I was likely going to vote for you before, and that little thing just tipped the scales.

++Thinlómien

In the case I'm no longer alive tomorrow, look at the people flying under the radar more - especially Brinn and Eomer come to mind right now.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-27-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

While that post of Groin's is suspicious, it doesn't sound so untypical to him that it would necessarily indicate guilt. Therefore at least I would rather vote someone I suspect more, and see what to do with Groin later when he has had a chance to post more.

Indeed, I'd wait for him to post more too, however, what I thought was of course that it would be typical of him, but that's exactly the point. I said "that's something which a WereGroin could do" - doing something that would go well with his general behavior, but simply using it to his advantage. Nevertheless, yes, probably better to let him post more and then see what to make out of it.

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

I still think the basic idea fits and there are three or four lover-pairs of which one is an innocent and another is a baddie (whatever weresalmon or wererhinoceros they are). Di said there might be adjustments, but not that there would be a total overhaul of the lovers game.

That means many baddies (and innocents with evil intent) will attack other baddies (and innocents with evil intent) as they both don't know about each other and because they wish to do away with the others.

Hey, wait, wait, I didn't get it probably in that case. My original thought was that there were (at least in the previous game) simply four or how many pairs of lovers, but in fact, it was more like that they were (technically) four teams of wolves by two, whose fates were entwined. Because otherwise, it has no sense to say that one of the lovers is an ordo and the other is a baddie, since they both pick a kill, and kill somebody, not? Or how is that? I don't get it.

EDIT: x-ed since Eönwë before Lommy

Eönwë · 10-27-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Indeed, I'd wait for him to post more too, however, what I thought was of course that it would be typical of him, but that's exactly the point.

Yes, last time we (well not me) killed him before he even had a chance to say anything. At least let him defend himself.

Then again, we only account for the first half of toDay. We (or at least I) won't be able to finalise anything

Lalaith · 10-27-2008, 04:30 PM

Ok, my Downs clock right now says 10.29pm. How long til deadline? I'm confused.

Aganzir · 10-27-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

With Groin I have a problem of separating a possible blatant chauvinism out from a possible mischievous link to Legate in this game.

Nog I love you! Let's get married!

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ok, my Downs clock right now says 10.29pm. How long til deadline? I'm confused.

About eight hours I think. We go by real time.

Nogrod · 10-27-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Nog I love you! Let's get married!

In an instant... wasn't that what we were here for in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Eonwë

Since I have no idea then I'll just go randomly with

This always makes me soo uneasy!!!

satansaloser2005 · 10-27-2008, 11:18 PM

Eomer: ++Rikae (Rikae 1)
Kitanna: ++Rikae (Rikae 2)
Greenie: ++Groin (Rikae 2, Groin 1)
Mac: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1)
Eönwë: ++Legate (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 1)
Lommy: ++Eomer (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 1, Eomer 1)
Lalaith: ++Legate (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 2, Eomer 1)
Aganzir: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1)
Legate: ++Kitanna (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1)
Fea: ++Mac (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1)
Gollum: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1)
Gwath: ++Fea (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1, Fea 1)
Rikae: ++Agan (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1, Fea 1, Agan 1)
Noggie: ++Kit (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 2, Mac 1, Fea 1, Agan 1)

A couple votes that bother me.

Gwath-->Fea. His reason is listed "because I disagree with her about Mac". Seriously? You don't agree with her so she's a wolf? Seems like fuzzy (aka furry) logic to me.

Rikae-->Agan. Just because it's spreading out the votes even more, and especially this close to the deadline. Trying to complicate things even more right before Sunset is just not cool, my dear.

So....since it's Day One (not saying that there's nothing to be gleaned, but those two votes are what jumped at me the most, actions louder than words and all that) I'm inclined to vote one of those two. But Gwath has no votes, and Rikae has two, so if I had to pick one of them I'd obviously go with her.

But....I still think Lommie's acting strangely. Like, I'm used to her being a tad....silly's not the right word, my apologies, bear with me....off or whatever you wish to call it, but it's almost as if she's taking the cute banter with Agan too far (at the beginning of the Day I mean) and after that....*looks at the time*

Post break to catch up.

EDIT: x'd since my last. And oh look, Shasta did a vote tally too. Lovely.

Eönwë · 10-27-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ok, my Downs clock right now says 10.29pm. How long til deadline? I'm confused.

By your Downs clock, I think it would be 6.26am

edit: x-ed with this page

Eönwë · 10-27-2008, 04:41 PM

Ok, I'm going now. I'll try to back by DL, but I'm not promising anything.
Since I have no idea then I'll just go randomly with:

++Legate

Nogrod · 10-27-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Hey, wait, wait, I didn't get it probably in that case. My original thought was that there were (at least in the previous game) simply four or how many pairs of lovers, but in fact, it was more like that they were (technically) four teams of wolves by two, whose fates were entwined. Because otherwise, it has no sense to say that one of the lovers is an ordo and the other is a baddie, since they both pick a kill, and kill somebody, not? Or how is that? I don't get it.

You're right that technically they are four duettos of baddies. But remember that there is a difference in calling the other one innocent as s/he's the one the possible seer sees as an innocent.

Now was this a tactical trick by Legate or was he just innocently confused?

EDIT: X'd from Lalaith onwards...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-27-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

You're right that technically they are four duettos of baddies. But remember that there is a difference in calling the other one innocent as s/he's the one the possible seer sees as an innocent.

Aaah yes, okay, that makes sense then. But the question is: do we actually even have a Seer? I would presume so, but not much of a chance for him to survive for long, I'd say...

Anyway, in general, my thoughts on people:

Aganzir an ordo: vocal, hard-working, making sense. No problem with her.
Brinniel radaaaar!
Eomer he seems like an okay guy. If it's just a mask of Superman under which there is in fact a... Batman... is hard to say.
Eönwë hard to say
Fea makes sense, innocentish
Gollum nuzzing
Greenie seems innocent, and as far as I remember evil Greenies, she does not look like one.
Groin besides not having much of his own opinion to present, and that thing we mentioned, we'll see
Gwath ...
Kitanna I don't like her somewhat; there is this Mac-defense thing, at moments she has been better, but sometimes again not.
Lalaith nuzzing
Lommy slightly suspicious
Mac I am not really sure now, but I am still keeping an eye on him
McCaber ...
Nogrod I am not really sure, but he looks like usual ordo-ish Nogrod, except for some moments, when he seems a bit off-track to me. But nothing big in particular.
Rikae seems more innocentish to me than not
Sally could be either
Shasta ...

Gwathagor · 10-27-2008, 04:53 PM

What??? FIVE PAGES?!?! I thought Day One started tomorrow...

Great. Well...I guess I'd better start reading. I'll see you all....in a few hours.

Nogrod · 10-27-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

What??? FIVE PAGES?!?! I thought Day One started tomorrow...
Great. Well...I guess I'd better start reading. I'll see you all....in a few hours.

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10-27-2008, 03:57 PM	#3
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Ok, let's do votes (not many, but...): Eomer: Rikae Kitanna: Rikae (2) Greenie: Groin I think that's it. It just helps for me to see them all in one place. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

10-27-2008, 04:04 PM	#4
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	I should probably sleep, but I haven't got any good ideas yet. What makes it harder is I'm afraid to accuse a gifted. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

10-27-2008, 04:04 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I still think the basic idea fits and there are three or four lover-pairs of which one is an innocent and another is a baddie (whatever weresalmon or wererhinoceros they are). Di said there might be adjustments, but not that there would be a total overhaul of the lovers game. That means many baddies (and innocents with evil intent) will attack other baddies (and innocents with evil intent) as they both don't know about each other and because they wish to do away with the others. That's all for the village to gain! And even if we go "Hoy Bresil" -style the individual wolves would easily go after the lover of a buddy-wolf. Although Di said there are no wolves in this game which kind of confirms to me the first interpretation... So we must also read the Days after this one a bit differently than we are used to. The normal patterns do not hold. And hopefully the carnage of the next Night will actually teach us something about the build-up of this game. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

10-27-2008, 04:12 PM	#7
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	What worries me is that there is a significant number of evil people, and if they do know each other, as has been suggested, then they might be enough to shift the votes. Now that it scary. If not, then we might get lots of votes for different people (the lovers probably trying not vote the same as their other half) on the later days. This could mean that potentially anyone could change the lynchee. We shall see how it turns out. And now Nogrod seems to talk sense... __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place Last edited by Eönwë; 10-27-2008 at 04:16 PM.

10-27-2008, 04:30 PM	#15
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Ok, my Downs clock right now says 10.29pm. How long til deadline? I'm confused. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

10-27-2008, 11:18 PM	#18
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Eomer: ++Rikae (Rikae 1) Kitanna: ++Rikae (Rikae 2) Greenie: ++Groin (Rikae 2, Groin 1) Mac: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1) Eönwë: ++Legate (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 1) Lommy: ++Eomer (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 1, Eomer 1) Lalaith: ++Legate (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 1, Legate 2, Eomer 1) Aganzir: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1) Legate: ++Kitanna (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1) Fea: ++Mac (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 2, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1) Gollum: ++Lommy (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1) Gwath: ++Fea (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1, Fea 1) Rikae: ++Agan (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 1, Mac 1, Fea 1, Agan 1) Noggie: ++Kit (Rikae 2, Groin 1, Lommy 3, Legate 2, Eomer 1, Kitanna 2, Mac 1, Fea 1, Agan 1) A couple votes that bother me. Gwath-->Fea. His reason is listed "because I disagree with her about Mac". Seriously? You don't agree with her so she's a wolf? Seems like fuzzy (aka furry) logic to me. Rikae-->Agan. Just because it's spreading out the votes even more, and especially this close to the deadline. Trying to complicate things even more right before Sunset is just not cool, my dear. So....since it's Day One (not saying that there's nothing to be gleaned, but those two votes are what jumped at me the most, actions louder than words and all that) I'm inclined to vote one of those two. But Gwath has no votes, and Rikae has two, so if I had to pick one of them I'd obviously go with her. But....I still think Lommie's acting strangely. Like, I'm used to her being a tad....silly's not the right word, my apologies, bear with me....off or whatever you wish to call it, but it's almost as if she's taking the cute banter with Agan too far (at the beginning of the Day I mean) and after that....looks at the time Post break to catch up. EDIT: x'd since my last. And oh look, Shasta did a vote tally too. Lovely. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

10-27-2008, 04:41 PM	#20
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Ok, I'm going now. I'll try to back by DL, but I'm not promising anything. Since I have no idea then I'll just go randomly with: ++Legate __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

10-27-2008, 04:53 PM	#23
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	What??? FIVE PAGES?!?! I thought Day One started tomorrow... Great. Well...I guess I'd better start reading. I'll see you all....in a few hours. __________________ Stories and songs.