Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Edit: crossed with Mac, who has seemingly got the first vote in. Curse him, stealing my thunder...

No! yet again you beat me to it! Stealing my thunder.

Now I will stay longer and see if anything makes me change my mind.

edit: x-ed with Kitanna- another person stealing my Rikae vote. Grrr!

[Lalaith]

This large number of silent ones is especially worrying since we are lacking modkill.

I don't like silent players either, but in this game they are less worrying, probably, than in normal games because in this game all baddies are linked with another baddie. So even if one flies under radar his/her lover could still cop it.
Unless of course we have a pair of silent lovers.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I don't like silent players either, but in this game they are less worrying, probably, than in normal games because in this game all baddies are linked with another baddie. So even if one flies under radar his/her lover could still cop it.
Unless of course we have a pair of silent lovers.

I would not worry about that. Except for the last alternative (in which case however, I'd call them cowards not worthy of winning), given that there'll be probably lots of nightly kills, even the silent players may meet their ends. And still, this village is relatively big, so not that much need to worry about silent players for right now (although of course we may slowly extend the pressure on them, but that will, I think, come naturally as the numbers of players will be lowering).

I am keeping my eye on the silent Nogrod, though. Horrible! Such an irresponsibility! How comes he does not find any time to post? A few almost one-liners? Now come on! That's too much! Such people should not even play!

I am not quite comfortable with the idea of everybody voting Rikae suddenly, as I am more inclined to think that Mac is the evil one here (if not both, of course). I just hope there will be more people to vote for Mac as well, as he is No.1 for me toDay.

EDIT: x-ed since Lalaith

[Diamond18]

I can't tell if Mac's post contains an actual vote or not. Mac, if it is a vote, please clarify. If it isn't, I shall slap you for your formatting.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

I can't tell if Mac's post contains an actual vote or not. Mac, if it is a vote, please clarify. If it isn't, I shall slap you for your formatting.

Ai! Sorry. No, that was no vote... it's not on the same line and the "++" is not bolded.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Ai! Sorry. No, that was no vote... it's not on the same line and the "++" is not bolded.

Hmm, I'd suggest you use asterisks or something rather next time. That confused me, too (and seemingly lots of others). The symbol of two pluses is already taken... (hey, then what about using three or such?)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate

I am keeping my eye on the silent Nogrod, though. Horrible! Such an irresponsibility!

You guys keep posting such a lot that it takes time to catch you up... But I'm there now... at this minute. Just a moment...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I really don't like this sudden rush of Rikae-votes. Aganzir's pondering to add more fuel to the waggon does not sit right with me.

Indeed. Let's lynch you instead.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

You guys keep posting such a lot that it takes time to catch you up... But I'm there now... at this minute. Just a moment...

What do you think I was trying to do all the evening

[Eönwë]

This post was about to be a vote-post, but for some reason I just had a sudden feeling that I shouldn't vote Rikae.
I'll wait and see what she has to say for herself (if it's in the next 45 minutes).

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I don't like her "joke" accusation toward Mac, seeing as she admitted it wasn't necessarily an entire joke.

It is perfectly normal for her to mix seriousness with joking. Even though I was at the receiving end of this suspicion, I really didn't see it suspicious in turn at all.

I really don't like this sudden rush of Rikae-votes. Aganzir's pondering to add more fuel to the waggon does not sit right with me.

[Macalaure]

I'm not comfortable with the general focus of suspicions at the moment (almost exclusively me, Rikae, Aganzir, and Lommy). Too many people got by without anybody noticing. Please, have a closer look at things each of you. There's an incredible number of submarines right now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I'm not comfortable with the general focus of suspicions at the moment (almost exclusively me, Rikae, Aganzir, and Lommy). Too many people got by without anybody noticing. Please, have a closer look at things each of you. There's an incredible number of submarines right now.

Okay, point taken. I am going to re-evaluate everything, though still, of course people are voting for those for whom they have most grounds... or who are easy to lynch by starting/jumping on a bandwaggon (like we just saw...)

[Gollum the Great]

I don't quite understand why Rikae given those two votes. Perhaps I was not paying attention. I cannot think of anyone who would bear a great deal of watching at the present; we have so little evidence to build suspicions off of.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I really don't like this sudden rush of Rikae-votes. Aganzir's pondering to add more fuel to the waggon does not sit right with me.

This comment of Mac's doesn't sit right with me and makes me more inclined to vote for him instead. It's wolfish.
However, you can see my points against Rikae (added to a general bad feeling) in some earlier post I won't bother to find for you myself now.

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

I don't quite understand why Rikae given those two votes. Perhaps I was not paying attention. I cannot think of anyone who would bear a great deal of watching at the present; we have so little evidence to build suspicions off of.

I don't know about Eomer but at least in my opinion Kitanna had valid reasons.

As for submarines, have we all Europeans forgotten that only a bit more than a half of the first day has passed? They have well time to appear although most of us might not be around then.

edit: xed with Legate, Eönwë & Greenie

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

As for submarines, have we all Europeans forgotten that only a bit more than a half of the first day has passed? They have well time to appear although most of us might not be around then.

Yes, I'm used to being in the second half of the game, once all the main stuff of the day has happened and I'm reading over it. It seems strange now that I'm only in the first half.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Agan

As for submarines, have we all Europeans forgotten that only a bit more than a half of the first day has passed? They have well time to appear although most of us might not be around then.

Alas, so true.

There was one thing I forgot to mention in my last post. About Lommy's list, then. I'm too lazy to look for it again, but I noticed that at almost every single point there was some kind of "seems a bit suspicious because of xxxxx, but then feels quite OK and it's silly to draw conclusions at this phase". I know we can't be sure of anything at this phase, but the way she has to emphasise it so often in order to sort of soften her points seems a bit exaggerated.

I'll vote soon because I want to go to sleep. No idea who to vote, though. I will definitely not vote Rikae - I don't find her particularly suspicious and besides I don't like it when there is but one person who is being voted. It's nothing to encourage discussion other than "Oh my, a bandwaggon!" and is the perfect spot for baddies to slip away unnoticed.


EDIT: x-ed withNoggins and Eönwë

[Nogrod]

In the earlier game there were four independent pairs of lovers (werecats, werebirds etc...). In one game - possibly it was the Hoy Brasil - there were wolves as normal but they all had secret lovers behind the others' backs (so in the end all the wolves were playing for themselves even if they posed as friends to each other).

We have a host of possibilities then.

But one thing we should remember is that whatever the case this is a lovers game and in those two are always interconnected. So more than normal, the lovers will defend each other if it looks like it the other one is going to get lynched.

So far I have seen Kitanna defend Mac twice. Mac has been under pressure and Kitanna has really not stated any more elaborated reasons for her backing of him.

Other defendings have been more vague up till now, but I need to look at it again.

And I have some other suggestions as well but I'll post this first not to write a novel out of this first one.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

This comment of Mac's doesn't sit right with me and makes me more inclined to vote for him instead. It's wolfish.
However, you can see my points against Rikae (added to a general bad feeling) in some earlier post I won't bother to find for you myself now.

Unnecessarily getting yourself provoked, I'd think... though of course nothing against your intentions to vote Mac.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So far I have seen Kitanna defend Mac twice. Mac has been under pressure and Kitanna has really not stated any more elaborated reasons for her backing of him.

Okay, now I will once again sound like repeating something, but I have thought of that too. I was not only sure if it is not just me making up things. Apparently I am not the only one to whom that idea occured: that Kitanna's choice to go after Rikae (and to vote her, especially timed so, when the option to vote either Rikae or Mac was hanging in the air for some people) and her comments about Mac seeming innocent which are not bringing him into that much spotlight but defending him still, can be more than just sideway comments. One more reason to lynch Mac, to find out if she by chance does not die, too... (now I must be sounding rather nasty, but that's the way it goes.)

EDIT: x-ed since the Nog I quoted

[Nogrod]

Okay from the beginning onwards then...

Sally looks from the beginning a bit too, how should one call it, up to the real thing? I mean maybe I'm just a paranoid but this really made me worried as Sally's second post - after a comforting nonsense-babble of her first post:

Originally Posted by Sally

I'm fairly optimistic about toDay actually. Like a couple others have said, our chances of finding a baddie aren't too shabby. And two for the price of one always makes me happy.

The problem is that once night hits a big chunk of this village is going the way of the dodo, so we best hope to indeed get baddie(s) today so they can't kill off so many in the Night.

I mean all of this is right and straight. But it's Sally saying this! Somehow the general attitude looks like it betrays Sally is not her normal self but tries something she isn't.


Also I'm a bit weary of Fea as well. Not because she brings up the rule-discussion but because she acts like a helpful and reasonable villager. Now to my experience she likes to toy around when she has nothing more interesting to do to keep her interested in the game. Now she has been ashtonishingly active for her on Day1 and soo sensible! It just cries evil to me. My only doubt is would she be that readable and is it only a change of tactics?


And to add my two cents to the discussion about the relative profit of voting the quiet ones / submarines toDay. I'm absolutely for it!

Normally we always risk just getting our numbers down by one but in this one we have a chance of bringing down the real player (however the roles are spread between them) who's tied with the submarine if we hit.

Okay. Need to take a short break. Back soon...


EDIT: X'd from my last one onwards...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So far I have seen Kitanna defend Mac twice. Mac has been under pressure and Kitanna has really not stated any more elaborated reasons for her backing of him.

I haven't read a whole lot, just got home, but I saw this and thought I'd respond while I still have a chance. I just don't feel Mac is all that suspicious. I didn't see anything in his posts that pointed to him being a werelover, though depending on what has happened in the posts since I was on last could shift my opinion.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Great. Now I seem like doing nothing but quoting Agan and agreeing with her, but she simply says things which make sense now.

Don't worry - you can't help it that I'm so darn smart.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

She seems very - dare I say it?- phantom-ish (in her own little way) to me this game. I don't know whether that's good or bad thing.

Ooh Eönwë I love you! Let's get married!

I've got to vote in about two hours if I don't want to wake up hours earlier than I otherwise should (which I don't). I think I'd prefer voting Mac over Rikae but since Rikae already has votes, I'm maybe a bit more inclined to add there one more.

Anyway, now I need something to eat, and I should probably also do some school things. Maybe. But I'll stay online anyway so I'm not entirely gone.

edit: xed with Lal and The Honourable Corpse

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Bah, give me any topic and I'll talk about it.

Let's see... How about electromagnetic wave equations?

Originally Posted by Lal

Unless of course we have a pair of silent lovers.

Now that is a scary thought. I don't like the number of silent ones, either - but I'll live in hope that they get the chance to contribute still toDay even though I didn't see it until tomorrow.

Which brought to my mind... I want to go to sleep pretty soon, which means I should vote pretty soon, which means I'm in trouble since I'm having my traditional Day 1 "Oh no I don't suspect anyone" crisis.

Then, some other random stuff that crossed my mind while I read..

1) Legate and Agan bring up good points about Groin; I didn't really pay attention to the matter before, but now that I reread the post it does seem weird. This is something I should think about a little more.

2) I don't know what to think of this sudden cross-post flood of Rikae votes. Granted, she has been a bit strange - but still, what, something like four Rikae-votes or semi-votes just suddenly appearing all at once? It's plain weird.

3)

Originally Posted by Agan

Actually I think Fea could be a lover or something - the way she stubbornly sets out to defend the pros of rule discussion is odd, and especially taken to such lengths, it doesn't sound entirely honest.

I agree that sticking to the rule discussion is a bit odd, but I wouldn't be so hasty as to call it suspicious. After all, in the early phases of the game, it's as good a topic as any, and if it gets people to talk then I don't see the harm in it. It's a way to get some discussion going similarly as joking and banter is, though it isn't as entertaining ( ). I don't really think much can be derived from Fea's excessive rule discussion thing.

Like I said I am not yet decided on who to vote. I think I'll read some bits again and come back (hopefully) with some ideas and a vote.


EDIT: x-ed OH MY GOSH with everyone since Agan's post number 103...