Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Eönwë]

This really is a quiet Day!

Seems I have the whole thread to myself *Mwah ha ha ha ha* er...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No way, sir. I am here now, too. But yes, you got it right - in fact, the werelovers should wish the other werelovers dead more than us, just because they can cause them more harm than the ordos do (not just lynching, but also killing during the Night). And, seemingly, only one pair can win. So werelover wereloveri lupus. ( ) Although it's a matter of tactics, we surely are not to rely on it.

[Thinlómien]

The people who accused me based on my Day1 behaviour in last game should now be after Aganzir.

Whatever the changed rules are, I guess we can assume there are lovers. So obviously, we should look out for pairs. And looking out for fishy behaviour is always a good thing. I think that's a good starting kit. (Starting Kit hahahaha. Okay, sorry. )

Originally Posted by Legate

No, no, let me make this clear. First, this is no secret language. It is a part of common education to know it.

Yes, Mac - it was obviously Czech: that language only consists of consonants, you know.

I wonder if I should be worried - this must be the shortest starting post ever on my whole wwing career (possibly discounting my first few games)...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm here, but it seems I haven't missed much.

Am I right in suspecting we won't know anything of cite-worthy value until Tomorrow? Because right now we don't know anything at all:

We know our own roles. Depending on what information Di's messages contained, we might know several roles. For instance, it's a fair assumption that there are Lovers, since this is a Lovers game. Also there will be ordinary villagers. There are an equivalent number of Lovers to bad guys? Maybe? Well, at the very least, there are bad guys as well as lovers, we just don't know how many.

1) # Lovers

2) # Ordos

3) # Baddies

What other roles?

I would expect a seer-type character, and the last game had a ranger sort of fellow...

Will Di have cobblers, do you think? Or is that sort of what lovers are anyway?

I know this isn't a particularly helpful post in that it's a post which concentrates on game dynamics, blah blah blah

-however I think it's necessary to put together as much information as we can in one clear place.

Because we know what Di did before and we know that this game resembles the old one, but that it's changed in unmentioned ways.

Consequently... we don't know anything. Literally, we know only our own roles. Not just in terms of we don't know who fills the other roles, but we don't know what roles they actually are to be filled.

I'm concerned because I don't know what magic powers exist in this um... sketchy motel...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

P.S. Especially for some people, just a preventive note: no, we are not.

How wolfish! You try to defend yourself before anyone has even accused you.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Aww... *hands Aganzir a tissue* *hug*

Friends?

Okay if I can lynch you then.

Legate is a cobbler as always. He says something unnecessary and claims it's serious, and then he tells us no further discussion on the topic is needed. He just tries to confuse us.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

The people who accused me based on my Day1 behaviour in last game should now be after Aganzir.

Ah but isn't it a good thing if people are after me here? That's the whole point of this trip.
But, you know, the thing is that you and me are different. You're so boring and serious while I can be a bit crazy at times. I can understand if you have grudges about the last game but you should know better than to hint vaguely that people should suspect me because I remind you about some wolf performance of yours. I think that's a bad way to start your first post and I promise to keep my big nasty eye on you.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Yes, Mac - it was obviously Czech: that language only consists of consonants, you know.

HA you and Legate are lovers and you're trying to defend him! And you're even a bad liar since there was one vocal!

What about lynching either Lommy or Legate today just to be on the safe side?

edit: xed with Fea and Nog

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Okay if I can lynch you then.

Shall we try to lynch each other?

Originally Posted by Rikae

Macalaure is evil.

Oh no, my dear.

He pops in early on day 1 bursting with overconfidence

If you look back on my past wolf appearances, you will see that the bursting and overconfident wolves usually ended up as very early roadkill. Why should I play like that if I was evil?

Originally Posted by Rikae

Di wouldn't make both Mac and I ordos.

Last time she semi-randomized the roles, so it might actually be possible we're on the same side at last. Otherwise, since I know I'm innocent, you're evil, which would mean that I would have to try to get you lynched, which I rather wouldn't.

Originally Posted by Rikae

After the last game, I swore to do my utmost to get him lynched on day one.

That's only fair, I admit.


I'm sensing some very bad karma from the directions of Lommy and Legate. I don't mean that they're a couple themselves, but they both feel like they have ill intentions, independently from one another. I can't put my finger on it, though.

Fea is innocent, says I.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

If you look back on my past wolf appearances, you will see that the bursting and overconfident wolves usually ended up as very early roadkill. Why should I play like that if I was evil?

Ah, but if you played a cautious wolf, someone might note that that is exactly the strategy that always worked for you before. At least, this way, you have the above excuse ready-made.

Originally Posted by Mac

Otherwise, since I know I'm innocent, you're evil, which would mean that I would have to try to get you lynched, which I rather wouldn't.

Is that flattery, or a threat? Either way...

Originally Posted by Mac

I'm sensing some very bad karma from the directions of Lommy and Legate. I don't mean that they're a couple themselves, but they both feel like they have ill intentions, independently from one another. I can't put my finger on it, though.

Stirring the pot? I can see what you mean in Lommy's case, but vague suspicions aren't worth much, are they (until everyone starts echoing them, and, before you know it, you have a pointless, useless bandwagon on your hands which isn't even helpful after the fact for finding baddies... ).

EDIT: X'd with Groin, Lommy & Agan

[Rikae]

Well, I came here to find a man, and I still aim to do so - I can work it in around WW hunting, after all. I'm going to be 30 soon, and I'm unmarried! Horrors!
(Don't modkill me, Di, I'm not roleplaying )

Macalaure is evil. I think this for three reasons:

1) He pops in early on day 1 bursting with overconfidence that he knows exactly how this game will go down - ie, just like the last. It's not that he's discussing game dynamics - it's the fact that what he's saying could only possibly be useful to confuse ordos and throw other baddies off his trail. I'm fairly sure this game will have some new twist thrown in, myself.

2) Di wouldn't make both Mac and I ordos. Ergo, he has a role, and, judging by point #1, that role is an evil one.
I realize this point doesn't do anyone any good until I'm dead, but that shouldn't take long when Mac is evil.

3) After the last game, I swore to do my utmost to get him lynched on day one.

Now, as for you other folks - Lommy looks a bit self-conscious. There are too many women in this village. Legate's multilingualism is charming, but Eönwë's confusion is just too cute (if it looks a little feigned...)

At any rate, if we really do have the high numbers of baddies we did last time, our chances of lynching one are high - and if they are lovers, we'll get two for one. Don't lose heart!

And, Aganzir, I agree on the gender thing - we should lynch all the females in alphabetical order.

Edit: X'd with Fea, Nog, Agan, Lommy, Lommy, Fea.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, I came here to find a man, and I still aim to do so - I can work it in around WW hunting, after all. I'm going to be 30 soon, and I'm unmarried! Horrors!
(Don't modkill me, Di, I'm not roleplaying )

Macalaure is evil. I think this for three reasons:

1) He pops in early on day 1 bursting with overconfidence that he knows exactly how this game will go down - ie, just like the last. It's not that he's discussing game dynamics - it's the fact that what he's saying could only possibly be useful to confuse ordos and throw other baddies off his trail. I'm fairly sure this game will have some new twist thrown in, myself.

Over confidence? It looked like he was just being plain old silly if you ask me. Also, I think it strange that you accused him on your first post, Rikae, and stuck with it throughout the game (especially when people started jumping on your bandwagon). Though I'm a little confused why you voted for Aganzir in the end.

Originally Posted by Rikae

2) Di wouldn't make both Mac and I ordos. Ergo, he has a role, and, judging by point #1, that role is an evil one.
I realize this point doesn't do anyone any good until I'm dead, but that shouldn't take long when Mac is evil.

This was pretty flimsy accusation to go on.

3) After the last game, I swore to do my utmost to get him lynched on day one.

This joke lightens the accusation on your part so that it looks like you're making a joke, for the most part, about accusing Mac. Later on in the game you express your seriousness on the matter (perhaps seeing that people are beginning to jump on the bandwagon).

Over all this looks like very wolvish behaviour, and this is just Rikae's first post.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Yes, Mac - it was obviously Czech: that language only consists of consonants, you know.

Hey! That's not true. There was one A in the word.

Okay, now something more constructive (and no, it won't be "two cranes" this time). This far, I could state my opinions on people this way:

Aganzir - as much as she can look innocent when she's a Wolf, she does not look exactly like that now - she looks a bit different. What does it mean? She could be a Werelover.

Mac - joins the general joking around, but does not forget to put a quite lengthy helpful summarisation of our situation (with putting the emphasis on "our" as innocents). That might be a preventive behavior by which he is trying to prove that he is "normal", even though he is a Werelover actually.

Fea is a bit saying something of a value, and a bit not, but this far hard to say anything concrete.

Sally is being a bit silly, but seeming relatively normal.

Kit is hardly saying anything, could be wishing to slip under the radar.

Eönwë is hardly saying anything, but maybe that's normal.

Lommy's post is a bit unusually-seeming at the beginning, but normally lommiish-seeming in the end, so who knows.

Looking forward to see more.

(and I am x-ing since Lommy's first post, the one I quote, but I am not going to prolongate this anymore by refreshing and reacting even to something which may have been posted meanwhile...)

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Aganzir - as much as she can look innocent when she's a Wolf, she does not look exactly like that now - she looks a bit different. What does it mean? She could be a Werelover.

I think she looks rather innocent. But I wouldn't bet on it.

By the way, this village is rather crazy. No one is taking this seriously... I wonder if I should be amused or worried.

[Nogrod]

I looked back at the previous installment of this game. There were five deaths on the first gameNight: watcher, one pair of lovers and two ordos. So about 1/4th of the village was wiped out in a single Night.

Now that might be called a carnage.

But even if our effectivness in the killing-business is somewhat meager we should remember that if we hit it right we'll get two with the effort used for one. So let's show some brave faces around there.


I'm a bit confused about the discussion about the silentness of this village this far as the sleepiest hours - the sleepiest half of any Day in any ww-game have just taken place. The game normally starts to get active from something like an hour or two from now on.

But what little there is as yet I must say this is one of the weirdest beginnings of a game I've seen. I mean when enough people have seen enough Day1's they try to adjust - and what sometime ago was kind of honest trying or joking has now become meta-trying or meta-joking... It sure adds to the complexity of the game. Like we needed that challenge on top of all the other challenges!

EDIT: x'd with Fea

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm a bit confused about the discussion about the silentness of this village this far as the sleepiest hours - the sleepiest half of any Day in any ww-game have just taken place. The game normally starts to get active from something like an hour or two from now on.

Hey, that's an interesting point. I think it's simply that the deadline is so different that it kind of twists the picture...

edit: xed with Agan

[Thinlómien]

Can we lynch Agan just because she's fussing around?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Diamond

But I do feel moved to note that there are no "Werewolves."

I feel like I'm in a twisted torture chamber constructed by... myself.

How delightfully maddening.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Can we lynch Agan just because she's fussing around?

Sounds fair enough. I promised that I'd lynch her if I ever played with her again.

EDIT: X'ed with Legate & Rikae

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Sounds fair enough. I promised that I'd lynch her if I ever played with her again.

EDIT: X'ed with Legate & Rikae

I'm up for it too.


Is Lommie crazier than usual? Or is it just me? (Just saying)


Alternatively, Legate has a nice little organized list. Very nice. Too nice mehbe?


And yes, Rikae. Mac is evil. He's always evil, darling.


I'm fairly optimistic about toDay actually. Like a couple others have said, our chances of finding a baddie aren't too shabby. And two for the price of one always makes me happy.

The problem is that once night hits a big chunk of this village is going the way of the dodo, so we best hope to indeed get baddie(s) today so they can't kill off so many in the Night.



Sorry to be so brief, catching up on some homework that I spaced off. Back hopefully soon.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

-however I think it's necessary to put together as much information as we can in one clear place.

Why?
What does it really matter whether we know what roles there are or not? Well if we want to talk about something which doesn't reveal much about a person's alignment (except for a possible yet unlikely slip), okay. I suppose it's a way to get the discussion rolling, too, but... I don't like it. I do it occasionally anyway. Still, it's a way to talk much without really saying anything.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Can we lynch Agan just because she's fussing around?

How dare you suggest that my love?

Originally Posted by Rikae

And, Aganzir, I agree on the gender thing - we should lynch all the females in alphabetical order.

Or what about lynching first those who have posted the least?

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Aganzir - as much as she can look innocent when she's a Wolf, she does not look exactly like that now - she looks a bit different. What does it mean? She could be a Werelover.

It means that you have dirt on your glasses.

I really don't have proper opinions about anyone yet - mostly it's just that I haven't seen anyone who looks innocent. Argh I should do some thinking but I feel more like posting nonsense.

edit: xed since sally

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I really don't have proper opinions about anyone yet - mostly it's just that I haven't seen anyone who looks innocent. Argh I should do some thinking but I feel more like posting nonsense.

Would you like to trade situation with me? I haven't seen anyone who looks suspicious... ("Particularly suspicious, would be a better phrasing, though.)

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What does it really matter whether we know what roles there are or not? Well if we want to talk about something which doesn't reveal much about a person's alignment (except for a possible yet unlikely slip), okay. I suppose it's a way to get the discussion rolling, too, but... I don't like it. I do it occasionally anyway. Still, it's a way to talk much without really saying anything.

While I agree that rule-talk can lead to talking much without revaling your own alignment, it's not a bad thing to know the rules. It's easier to get rid of someone when you know what you're looking for. It doesn't matter so much now, but on say Day4 it would be nice to know how big a percent of the fellow villagers are your enemies and how many are not.

Originally Posted by Agan

How dare you suggest that my love?

Easily. By the way, I find it mightily amusing, that in this game everybody is calling each other "dear", "darling" or "love". Makes me paranoid.


edit: xed with Rikaex2

[Aganzir]

I don't know if it's because reasons to suspect somebody are always so fabricated this early in the day, but sally doesn't look innocent. A post full of nice little rhetorical questions: Is Lommie crazier than usual? Legate has a nice little organized list. Very nice. Too nice mehbe? Vague things that are intended to make people feel bad about someone.

Yes I'm fine with trying to lynch you Mac, unless I come up with someone better.

Originally Posted by Mac

If you look back on my past wolf appearances, you will see that the bursting and overconfident wolves usually ended up as very early roadkill. Why should I play like that if I was evil?

Because of getting to say this. Some people just can't get enough of risks. That's a bad defense really.

And Rikae and Mac, it's not that black-and-white. Who knows if one of you is an ordo and the other a gifted? Mac's response to Rikae looks a bit like, I don't know, wolfish (I am going to use this word despite there being no werewolves, period).

Originally Posted by Mac

Last time she semi-randomized the roles, so it might actually be possible we're on the same side at last. Otherwise, since I know I'm innocent, you're evil, which would mean that I would have to try to get you lynched, which I rather wouldn't.

I can't put my finger on it really. Dunno. Mac just seems to be too quick to forget the gifted factor, like a wolf trying to think like an innocent but not wholly succeeding. Does anybody understand what I mean?
And no, it doesn't really matter whether I speculate about gifteds at the beginning of day 1 - especially as we don't even know for certain if there are any. If someone has something against it, lynch me, that's the only way to get me to shut up.

edit: xed with Rikae and two Lommys
edit2: typo

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What does it really matter whether we know what roles there are or not? Well if we want to talk about something which doesn't reveal much about a person's alignment (except for a possible yet unlikely slip), okay. I suppose it's a way to get the discussion rolling, too, but... I don't like it. I do it occasionally anyway. Still, it's a way to talk much without really saying anything.

Imagine you're writing a research paper about potential cures for adrenoleukodistrophy. Don't you want your readers to know what ALD is? So before you start explaining how introduction of certain lipids can slow the deterioration of the myelin sheath, you should probably include a brief definition of ALD and how lipids have anything to do with it. You can't just assume your audience knows what you're talking about: so before you get to the point, you make sure everybody's got a bit of foundational knowledge.

It's like trying to get people to read before teaching them the alphabet.

If you want anybody to be able to follow what you're saying, you need a valid starting point. Attempting to create a solid start point (trying to figure out what roles exist) makes it a lot easier to follow when you start positing theories. I mean, how can you suspect people when you don't even know the crime?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm fairly optimistic about toDay actually. Like a couple others have said, our chances of finding a baddie aren't too shabby. And two for the price of one always makes me happy.

But the worse it would be if we did not manage to lynch any. So, let's beware!

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

On the contrary, on the last game Legate was a wolf and his attitude now is different from his wolvish attitude. Before he would just pop in and give his analysis of people, in the hopes of creating confusion I'm assuming, and would only enter into disscussion with the players if he was accused. Now he is actually entering into the disscussion. But if I'm wrong...

One note, Groin. In the last game, I was a Wolf only on Day 3. Before that, I was completely innocent.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Why?
What does it really matter whether we know what roles there are or not? Well if we want to talk about something which doesn't reveal much about a person's alignment (except for a possible yet unlikely slip), okay. I suppose it's a way to get the discussion rolling, too, but... I don't like it. I do it occasionally anyway. Still, it's a way to talk much without really saying anything.

I don't think so. If there are any Gifteds, that would be a big bonus, and an important thing to know. Because otherwise, we may lynch "weird" people who are behaving unusually just because they are Gifted.

EDIT: Oh my, x-ed since somewhere on the previous page.