Tol-in-Gaurhoth LI: The Pain of Wargs

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It annoyed me that I had no solid cases against anyone so I started reading some of the older posts, you know, to see if I could find anything.

I was actually focusing on Legate's posts, but then I had a look at a post of Lommy's and it made me wonder.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I don't really understand this "oh Lommy plays so differently" stuff. Quite a many people seem to think so, and as I do not think there are any grounds to think so, it strikes me as a little furry. This looks like the classic case of an innocent stating a weird opinion and the wolves following it because they don't realise it's a weird opinion because they are evil and thus their brain is not for real in the wolf-seeking mode or then they just one to get someone lynched, or something. That is to say that I wouldn't be surprised at all to find a wolf among those who talk about my changed playing style. In my opinion, I'm not playing any differently than before (unless you're all still talking about that accusation-throwing post, which was an intentional try at that kind of discussion-stirring) and just for your information, I'm not trying a new style to confuse you or to amuse myself. If there really is a difference in my playing style, it's totally unintentional. You may draw your conclusions from that.

Yes, I think the fact that he voted someone who had already been voted for looks rather innocent in this company... it was a more constructive thing to do than throwing in a new name would have been.

It was very defensive, but of course that does not have to mean anything as we all get defensive if we feel threatened enough. It is just the fact that she so insisting that she behaves as she always does that makes me think: It may be that she is a wolf trying very hard to play as she always does and therefor is very defensive about it and then she uses a classic counter attack stating that it is very furry to say anything sugesting she has been acting odd.

Of course she could simply be an ordo convinced that she is playing as she always does. . . anyways it just made me think.

EDIT: Cross Posted With Legate

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hello. . . Is there anybody out there?

Anyways I will have to soon as work is calling, I am not feelig too well so hopefully they will send me home, but I cannot count on that.

[Brinniel]

I'm here. I found out I can make it for the deadline after all (hurray), but I need to run an errand first. I don't think it'll take long so I'll be back in hopefully less than an hour.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I really cannot figure out what to make of you Legate. . .

You seem very helpful and is a person I hope will post, but at times I get the feeling you are trying to hide in the spot-light. In fact I think the case you made against Samwise fit your self very well (although I cannot remember if you made any safe vote).

One could almost say that the reason I am uneasy about you is because I have not really suspected you, it kind feels like I am being tricked into beliving in your innocens.

I will vote within 10 min. but I do not know for whom yet. . . I am quite nervous as there is a possibility that I my self will get lynched and so it would be nice to stick around until deadline.

The safe vote for me right now would be Legate, because that would make it likely that I my self will survive, but I am not sure that it is actually Legate I want to lynch today.

[Brinniel]

I'm back. The errand took longer than I planned. I meant to only buy fruit but I got caught up in a peace rally. Then after awhile I realised I had to hurry and get back so that I could lynch a werewolf.

Anyways, I still need to read up. Just checking in...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

It was very defensive, but of course that does not have to mean anything as we all get defensive if we feel threatened enough. It is just the fact that she so insisting that she behaves as she always does that makes me think: It may be that she is a wolf trying very hard to play as she always does and therefor is very defensive about it and then she uses a classic counter attack stating that it is very furry to say anything sugesting she has been acting odd.

Of course she could simply be an ordo convinced that she is playing as she always does. . . anyways it just made me think.

Hmm... well, it of course may be either way, but then I think actually this assumption does not sound that unlikely. If Lommy were a wolf, I think this slight defensive-behaviour "I have not done anything out of the ordinary" could fit her.

Maybe I could take a look at some older things too, hoping that somebody will show up meanwhile...

EDIT: x-ed with Rune

[Thinlómien]

Two things caught my attention now that I came here and read what's happened while I've been away. One, it's been awfully quiet today.

Two, we have been focused on just a few villagers today. I, Brinn, Rune, Legate, Gollum and Mith have been talked about. Not much about Di or Shasta or Gaunt or Gwath or Kath. Mostly it's just that those who have been around have been talked about and the ones who've been absent have slipped under the radar. This worries me. All the louder players accuse each other while the quiet ones waltz through the game happily. Now, I'm not saying anything as silly as that there are no wolves among the loudmouths or that the quiet ones are evil, but I think we're really doing a mistake by focusing only on half of the village and letting the other half hang around in the comfortability zone. It's very probable that there are baddies hiding there - I think it's very unlikely that all the evil-doers are found from the bunch that has been on the spotlight toDay.

I'm especially concerned about Gwath and Kath, because they strike me as suspicious-ish (I'd like to look through their posts to see what is it actually that makes them fishy to me), but I'm worried that if Di or Shasta is a wolf (or both of them ), they will slip through totally unnoticed. I'm not that worried about the spotlight not being on Gaunt because I think he looks rather innocent at the moment.

And just to add, I think Brinn has been posting more innocently toDay than before. She sounds more genuine. But I'm still unsure and suspect her a little.

Unless I've cross-posted with something very interesting, I'm now going to have a quick (it's quite near the deadline... eek) look at Gwath and Kath.


edit: xed with Legate, Brinn and Rune

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

We could vote Gwath. . .

I would like Kath to stay onboard still. . .

Okay here it goes will vote for Lommy, but I am really torn between her Legate, Brin and Gwath.

++Thinlómien

[Thinlómien]

Gwath
- is hiding in the shadows, more silent than usual (I know his RL hurries/timetables, but still...)
- Day1 vote rather odd - jumps on a random vote on a person who hasn't seemingly given too much reason to suspect herself
- gives adistant and a little fishy feel
+ his arguments against me sound innocent
+ is not jumpy at all unlike the Gwath-wolves I've known
+ his Groin-vote seems innocentish, as does his vote for Rune

Kath
- Day1 vote very safe and easy
- apologises her vote (ok sorry, had to say that because she wrongly used it against me once )
- too helpful (I know she always is, but this time she's almost overdoing it, analysing pretty much everything - as if she couldn't otherwise think of anything to say, also not-that-useful stuff, like what got Samwise lynched)
- tone slightly insincere
- like Nogrod says, her Kitanna-analysis is a little weird (an innocent would probably have looked at things a bit more carefully because she needs to find out stuff, not just fake that she's doing so)
+ Samwise-analysis sounds genuine and innocentishly smart
+ not jumpy
+ seems like her normal self (although, I'm not sure if that speaks for her innocence at all... she's quite good at bluffing)

Ok, I didn't become much wiser. I still suspect them both a little, but Kath more than Gwath. I'd very much like to hear more of both of them. I'm hopeful that Kath will appear before the DL...

[Thinlómien]

It's less than 40 minutes until the deadline and no one posted anything in the last half an hour... weird... where are you all? Hiding?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Great! Seems at least some posting is gearing up - now I only hope more people appear to post, and now, and not fifteen minutes before the DL...

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Two, we have been focused on just a few villagers today. I, Brinn, Rune, Legate, Gollum and Mith have been talked about. Not much about Di or Shasta or Gaunt or Gwath or Kath. Mostly it's just that those who have been around have been talked about and the ones who've been absent have slipped under the radar.

That's quite connected topic, too, and I would second this now. Actually, I have just skimmed through the earlier Days once again (it's called "cursoric reading"), if there are any particular things which would now bring my attention, especially concerning those who have slipped under my radar this far (i.e. Mith, Gwath, Kath, Di, Gaunt...). From those, I got a complex-ish picture of Gaunt as innocent-looking. Besides that, it's either grey zone (Gwathagor, and also Kath, whom I besides that dislike just because of her style of posting, which I a) can never decipher whether being wolfy or innocent, b) am just annoyed with because the posts appear just once a Day, but they are so long ) or too little to chew (Di), or too chaotic (Mithalwen).

(Actually to be honest, the main feeling that it gave me now is just horrible annoyance with the progress of this game: Nogrod was right, half of the players just stops by to post once a Day and that's it... I mean come on, what kind of a game is this supposed to be...)

EDIT: x-ed since Rune

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hey yes, what, I mean come on, is there nobody posting? It's 30 to DL...

Edit: x-ed with Brinn. Well...

[Gollum the Great]

I'll have something here in a minute...

[Thinlómien]

I don't really like the current voting situation. I wouldn't like to vote either Rune or Legate, and I obviously won't be voting myself.

edit: xed with Gollum

[Thinlómien]

Just to expand on what I just said, I feel we're badly on the wrong track like we've been this far. And now time's running out too... and I don't even know if voting Kath (which is what I feel like doing the most at the moment) is any wiser.

[Kath]

Ah I'm so sorry! I've been having such a busy and fantastic time all day that I completely forgot about this!

Quick thoughts, based on it being Nogrod that died, are that either Lommy and or Legate are playing a blinder of a game and bluffing as hard as they can or someone is trying to set one of them up. Really don't know, except that due to me being suspicious of Legate yesterDay the former option strikes me as more likely.

Right I'm going to go and read through toDay and just try to get a few ideas. I'll be back with some thoughts and a vote soon.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Legate

That's quite connected topic, too, and I would second this now. Actually, I have just skimmed through the earlier Days once again (it's called "cursoric reading"), if there are any particular things which would now bring my attention, especially concerning those who have slipped under my radar this far (i.e. Mith, Gwath, Kath, Di, Gaunt...). From those, I got a complex-ish picture of Gaunt as innocent-looking. Besides that, it's either grey zone (Gwathagor, and also Kath, whom I besides that dislike just because of her style of posting, which I a) can never decipher whether being wolfy or innocent, b) am just annoyed with because the posts appear just once a Day, but they are so long ) or too little to chew (Di), or too chaotic (Mithalwen).

Well, I think for most of these people it's due to RL. You know, not everyone has as much time as you do.

But of the quiet ones, I'm mostly worried about Di, Shasta and Gollum who have said so little I can't get any read from them.

From Mith, Kath, Gwath, and Gaunt I've heard enough to get at least some idea. Though I do wonder where Kath and Gaunt are...they didn't say a lot, but enough yesterDay...but toDay they have yet to show up at all...

[Brinniel]

Btw, I'm not gonna vote for a quieter player toDay. It's a good idea to keep an eye on them, but I want to actually take some time to examine them toMorrow rather than randomly vote for one of them toDay based on nothing...

EDIT: Oh good, Kath showed up.

[Kath]

Hmm, so Legate starts off saying about the possibility that someone is trying to frame him AND Lommy. To be honest I think the Lovers idea is quite unlikely, but I think it possible that a guilty Legate might attach himself to an innocent Lommy in a 'who ... us?' kind of way.

Rune is being very vicious - particularly toward Mith. I wonder though whether he is simply trying to put her under pressure to see what she is.

Lommy, despite her efforts to paint me as a wolf, I think is posting quite innocently. In answer to a couple of her points against me, my Kitanna analysis was done in limited time, hence the confusion with what Nog and Legate said. Also, I think it was quite useful to see why Samwise was lynched, after all I'd missed much of the reasoning behind it so it was very useful to me.

So yeah:

++LEGATE

For the reasons from yesterDay and the fact that what I read of him from toDay made me no less suspicious.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, tell me about a good voting situation...

Speaking of Shasta, now - has he been around AT ALL since some Day 1?!??

I was thinking about voting Brinniel, now, but this does not seem much like that could be done...

I am no way going to vote Rune, I still hold what I said, I think he is reasonable.

Hmph, whatever the course this village takes, I am quite discomforted...

[Gollum the Great]

Phew! I'm finally back!

I must admit that I'm surprised at how much Legate has been chasing after me (so to speak). All this "I can't get anything out of his votes so I'll keep up this Gollum topic" holds me amazed. Well I'm not going to suspect you for today (hahaha) but I think your overdoing it.

Innocentish:

Rune: he has (if I remember right) reasonable posts and find nothing particularly odd or suspicious about him.

Gwathagor: not much to base a suspicion on.

Mithalwen: see Gwath

Shasta: nothing to go by

Diamond: see above. Though I don't agree with her that the traitors are quiet.

Kath: for the reasons above.


Not so Innocent:

Legate: somewhat confusing posts. Not that he has been speaking in evil vein of me (if I use the expression correctly), but simply hounding on after anyone for half a long web page just looks like your trying to get others to follow you.

Brinniel: hard to explain. There's what seems an aura of queerness about her, so I have no grounds for a true suspicion.

Gaunt: hardly contibuted to the flow of discussion, and appeared to want both Nogrod and Groin out. Still, with so little evidence from him, I once again have nothing to really suspect.

Thinlomien: strange posts, it seemed to me, but if they were just to start the game going, then...

Have to vote now.

++Lommy

[Brinniel]

Okay, I'm not gonna wait til the very last minute in case the mod's clock runs earlier than mine. So I will vote:

++Legate

For reasons I have stated earlier. There's just something sinister about him.

EDIT: X-ed with Legate

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

I must admit that I'm surprised at how much Legate has been chasing after me (so to speak). All this "I can't get anything out of his votes so I'll keep up this Gollum topic" holds me amazed. Well I'm not going to suspect you for today (hahaha) but I think your overdoing it.

Okay, good master, but would you PLEASE AT LAST care to answer my question?!??? Why you voted Nogrod yesterday???