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Old 10-10-2008, 01:08 PM   #1
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Though impatient with those who displayed foolishness (understandably, considering the deadly seriousness of his business), I don't see Gandalf ever physically punishing any creature out of frustration or anger. He didn't hurt Pippin when he gave away the presence of the Nine Walkers in Moria, or when he nearly brought ruin on them all with his use of the Palantír of Orthanc.
Saying he thought of "roasting (Butturbur) over a slow fire" is hardly the same as doing it.
As for Gollum, Gandalf only threatened him with fire, and did not actually harm him.
In Bilbo's case, Gandalf had to do something to get Bilbo's attention, before the Ring gained too much of a hold for him to be able to let it go.
Gandalf always knew where to draw the line, and so avoided becoming like Sauron or Saruman, who, I'm sure, had no compunction as regards to venting their displeasure on their slaves.
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Could you go into a bit more detail if possible? Just saying no does not meet the high standard responses the Barrow-Downs is renowned for.
 
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Could you go into a bit more detail if possible? Just saying no does not meet the high standard responses the Barrow-Downs is renowned for.
I don't believe the question warranted any further response. Gandalf's character is evident to anyone who has read LotR. He may bluster, he may cajole, he may even threaten, but never does he use violence against those weaker than him in a non-battle situation, particularly against Halflings (and I would include Gollum in that definition). As a matter of fact, he specifically eschewed violence against Gollum (the 'mercy' speech to Frodo), and Saruman.

Again, the question seemed a bit flippant and unnecessary, given the extraordinary length of discussions regarding Gandalf's compassion and mercy on these forums. For further discussion, I refer you to Inziladun's post, which seems to cover all the necessary points quite admirably.

There is really nothing further to discuss. *shrugs*
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:01 AM   #5
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I would say likely not - probably for the same reasons that Inziladun stated. The examples of his handling of Pippin in Moria and after the incident with the Palantir are good examples of what he'd likely do in a case of 'anger and frustration'. These two occasions, wherein Pippin acted out of foolish curiosity and without any maturity or self-control, are likely the most deservant of any sort of beating, and yet Gandalf did not. In Moria, he did reward Pippin for his actions by making him stand first watch - and when doing so, let him know that he was displeased with him.

Gandalf is probably wise enough to realize that such punishment would not really be effective. Spanking/beating anyone never does any good if done in a temper. Often times, I've noticed, he was mainly angry because he was frightened. In any other situation, I imagine he'd be amused.

I think his idea was 'the punishment shall fit the crime.' So...Pippin was badly, badly frightened when he looked at the palantir. He learned his lesson, enough said. Pippin caused the Fellowship's presence to be made known in Moria, so he stands first watch to be haunted by his own fears. Sam eavesdropped on Frodo and Gandalf while talking about important matters that had to be kept secret, so he has to go with Frodo to make sure he doesn't talk!
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I think Inziladun has covered the question very well, but another marker to judge a person's character is from other characters:

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All these people trusted, learned from, or were in some way counselled by Gandalf. They don't sound like the hot tempered, beating type.
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Old 10-13-2008, 01:25 PM   #7
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I fear you have been seduced by the Dark Side
( i. e., the ROTK movie with the absurd,
and against the strictures of the Valar)
Gandalf assaulting The Steward of Gondor.
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Old 10-13-2008, 08:12 PM   #8
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Gandalf assaulting The Steward of Gondor.
That was in the movie? As if I needed another reason to dislike them.
I think Mansun was referring to the books, though. There has been no mention until now of Gandalf doing anything to Denethor.

Boromir88: You made a good point. The influences one exhibits on others can be as telling a measure of one as one's overt acts. All those who knew Gandalf well, listened to him, and took his counsel were ennobled by him. There is no mention of anyone being a one time student of his and later falling into evil.
Not to say G. was perfect. He had his faults, chiefly, (as he himself acknowledged), the perilous desire of greater strength and power to accomplish his mission.
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