Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Boromir88 · 09-20-2008, 10:27 AM

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I understand - and have experience of it for a bit too many times - that when one is innocent and generally suspected (or strongly by a few) one would like to just counter-argue the points raised and try to survive (getting lynched is an inncoent lynch and you know it yourself)... but wouldn't it be better to also try and help?~Nogrod

When innocent, I don't get the "I still want to help" urge if people are after me. I get the "Idiots, you're absolutely wrong, I hope when I'm proven innocent this comes back to kick you in the rear, for the fact that you are wrong" feeling. Which is why I will leave the McCaber thing to rest, for now, I've said all I've needed to say and I won't repeat myself. But I am willing to bet it all that he's a wolf, and if I'm wrong, maybe I deserve to be lynched.

Macalaure · 09-20-2008, 10:36 AM

Nerwen - still probably my best bet. The decision would be easier if only she felt suspicious. But she doesn't.
Fea - a lot of strangeness in her, but her bluff still makes her seem innocent to me.
Boro - probably innocent.
McCaber - is really trying hard to make himself look bad today.
Mith - has not done anything to make me suspicious in this game.
Izzy - could be the wolf, but isn't a top-shelf suspect for me right now.

I'm definitely not going to vote for Fea, Boro, or Mith. But which one of the other three?

Isabellkya · 09-20-2008, 10:42 AM

++ Nerwen

I may not have been able to look at all posts in-depth(ly); but the gut feeling.

I am in need of heading out the door now.

X'since 576.

Macalaure · 09-20-2008, 10:47 AM

I would probably vote for Nerwen now, but it almost seems unfair seeing that she would finally be able to give more input from tomorrow on.

What I don't like about voting McCaber is that, if he's innocent, I won't be able to tell Boro that I told him so.

Voting Izzy seems pointless right now, and I'm not convinced enough of her guilt to start a last minute campaign.

Nogrod · 09-20-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

Nerwen ...
The decision would be easier if only she felt suspicious. But she doesn't.

Exactly my words! And her latest post was a good one indeed (hah, someone's points are good if they agree with my own...

).

Also what you Mac say of McCaber I have to agree: even if Boro's case against him looks a bit far-fetched (even if possible and ingeniously made by Boro) his posting toDay has been terrible with all those slips made under pressure...

Nogrod · 09-20-2008, 10:50 AM

Any idea on the tally? Two votes for Nerwen, right but are there others?

I'd be inclined to try out McCaber more than Nerwen right now. As Izzy said - although making the opposite decision - ... the gut feeling...

Boromir88 · 09-20-2008, 10:52 AM

Perhaps it would be a good idea if you didn't hold your vote to the end this time Nogrod, let's see what some of the unknowns decide this time.

Nogrod · 09-20-2008, 10:52 AM

Oh my... I'm not sure of what to make of Nerwen's last one... It wasn't the most calming one in any sense...

Nogrod · 09-20-2008, 10:53 AM

Okay, I'm in for it...

++ McCaber

Nogrod · 09-20-2008, 10:55 AM

I mean even if there have been time constraints on Nerwen she has actually played somewhat actively and would earn to play toMorrow.

Nerwen · 09-20-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Oh my... I'm not sure of what to make of Nerwen's last one... It wasn't the most calming one in any sense...

Indeed. I'm annoyed.

EDIT: X'd since Nogrod at #587.

Nerwen · 09-20-2008, 10:57 AM

Well, then–

++McCaber.

Let's hope Boro's right.

EDIT: fixed bolding.

Nogrod · 09-20-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Indeed. I'm annoyed.

Hah, don't be.

But use toMorrow well if you can spare some time - and are an innocent (if we fail toDay that is).

Good luck to all of you!
(and don't underestimate Fëa)

Nerwen · 09-20-2008, 10:48 AM

*sigh*

Well, it looks like you're all going to lynch me. I'm not going to bother defending myself any further– then you'll just jump on me for being "defensive".

Besides, I honestly don't see what I have to defend myself against. Yeah, I suspected some people who turned out to be innocent. So have all of you.

At least I didn't get any innocents lynched.

While I'm still here... someone look at Izzy toMorrow. I keep forgetting about her.

EDIT: X'd since Izzy at #579.

Nogrod · 09-20-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

When innocent, I don't get the "I still want to help" urge if people are after me. I get the "Idiots, you're absolutely wrong, I hope when I'm proven innocent this comes back to kick you in the rear, for the fact that you are wrong" feeling.

Everyone by way of his character...

Btw. reasons I think Fëa should be looked a bit more closely include - on top of those I made in my two posts on Fëa and Nerwen earlier toDay - are these:
- She seems to be pretty ready to defend herself even if a light suspicion is thrown at her this late in the game when the stakes are getting higher.
- She has carefully limited her suspicions to a few only (mainly Boro - which has been done in a banterish way so as to not look serious threat to Boro), Mith (with all the apologies and stuff) and Shasta).
- Today she has mainly discussed the matter of why Nilp chose the dreams he did which I think is a complete waste of time and effort - but it doesn't normally raise suspicions as no one gets suspected by that and no retaliations will follow which is very important at this phase to the last wolf.

So please consider her as well toMorrow if we don't get the wolf toDay.

EDIT: X'd from Nerwen onwards...

Boromir88 · 09-20-2008, 10:48 AM

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So please consider her as well toMorrow if we don't get the wolf toDay.~Nogrod

Will do, even though Fea (along with Mith) haven't looked suspicious to me at all, the bottom line is they aren't known innocents and it's dangerous to let them run free. I'm a little more confident in Mith's innocence, because she's the calming breath of fresh air Mith, and I'm 99% certain if Mith was a wolf she would have lynched me on Day 1 no questions asked.

Fea, while has been crazy, as she said she's demented and we all know that. But it's an enjoyable kind of dementia, hasn't seemed evil. But, there can't be any harm in considering something evil behind it all.

Edit: crossed with everyone since Mith's post.

Boromir88 · 09-20-2008, 10:50 AM

Making this a run away won't be beneficial, let's turn up the pressure...

++McCaber

Mithalwen · 09-20-2008, 10:53 AM

Yes were I a wolf these are exactly the people I would want to keep at endgame - NOT. 3 people I have wolfed with and Nogrod who generally spots me as a wolf and Fea ..... Fea is worrying me a lot now. Again it is hard when you know how brilliant people can be as wolves to trust them. With McCaber and Issy there is this WOW issue Ican't decide on ., gah must choose.

Macalaure · 09-20-2008, 10:54 AM

Evidence: Nerwen.

Gut: McCaber.

Considering our numbers, I think I can afford to go with my gut...

++McCaber

Mithalwen · 09-20-2008, 10:55 AM

++Mc Caber

Mithalwen · 09-20-2008, 10:57 AM

Posted without reason due to time factor. If not Mc Caber need to rethink. If Nerwen is innocent her input may be most helpful.

Mithalwen · 09-20-2008, 10:58 AM

and I am liable to find passion convincing ..

Boromir88 · 09-20-2008, 10:58 AM

I put up or I shut up, if not McCaber, I'll shut it.

09-20-2008, 10:42 AM	#3
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	++ Nerwen I may not have been able to look at all posts in-depth(ly); but the gut feeling. I am in need of heading out the door now. X'since 576. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

09-20-2008, 10:50 AM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Any idea on the tally? Two votes for Nerwen, right but are there others? I'd be inclined to try out McCaber more than Nerwen right now. As Izzy said - although making the opposite decision - ... the gut feeling... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

09-20-2008, 10:52 AM	#7
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Perhaps it would be a good idea if you didn't hold your vote to the end this time Nogrod, let's see what some of the unknowns decide this time. __________________ Fenris Penguin

09-20-2008, 10:52 AM	#8
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Oh my... I'm not sure of what to make of Nerwen's last one... It wasn't the most calming one in any sense... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

09-20-2008, 10:53 AM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay, I'm in for it... ++ McCaber __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

09-20-2008, 10:36 AM	#2
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Nerwen - still probably my best bet. The decision would be easier if only she felt suspicious. But she doesn't. Fea - a lot of strangeness in her, but her bluff still makes her seem innocent to me. Boro - probably innocent. McCaber - is really trying hard to make himself look bad today. Mith - has not done anything to make me suspicious in this game. Izzy - could be the wolf, but isn't a top-shelf suspect for me right now. I'm definitely not going to vote for Fea, Boro, or Mith. But which one of the other three?

09-20-2008, 10:47 AM	#4
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	I would probably vote for Nerwen now, but it almost seems unfair seeing that she would finally be able to give more input from tomorrow on. What I don't like about voting McCaber is that, if he's innocent, I won't be able to tell Boro that I told him so. Voting Izzy seems pointless right now, and I'm not convinced enough of her guilt to start a last minute campaign.

09-20-2008, 10:55 AM	#10
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I mean even if there have been time constraints on Nerwen she has actually played somewhat actively and would earn to play toMorrow. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

09-20-2008, 10:57 AM	#12
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Well, then– ++McCaber. Let's hope Boro's right. EDIT: fixed bolding. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

09-20-2008, 10:48 AM	#14
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	sigh Well, it looks like you're all going to lynch me. I'm not going to bother defending myself any further– then you'll just jump on me for being "defensive". Besides, I honestly don't see what I have to defend myself against. Yeah, I suspected some people who turned out to be innocent. So have all of you. At least I didn't get any innocents lynched. While I'm still here... someone look at Izzy toMorrow. I keep forgetting about her. EDIT: X'd since Izzy at #579. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

09-20-2008, 10:53 AM	#18
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Yes were I a wolf these are exactly the people I would want to keep at endgame - NOT. 3 people I have wolfed with and Nogrod who generally spots me as a wolf and Fea ..... Fea is worrying me a lot now. Again it is hard when you know how brilliant people can be as wolves to trust them. With McCaber and Issy there is this WOW issue Ican't decide on ., gah must choose. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-20-2008, 10:54 AM	#19
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Evidence: Nerwen. Gut: McCaber. Considering our numbers, I think I can afford to go with my gut... ++McCaber

09-20-2008, 10:55 AM	#20
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	++Mc Caber __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-20-2008, 10:58 AM	#22
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	and I am liable to find passion convincing .. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace