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Macalaure · 09-18-2008, 09:25 AM

A look at N'Rwen:

Day1: She makes one post pointing into multiple directions and adds some inconclusive things on Gwath. Not her fault she couldn't come back. The one post could come from both baddie and goodie, you can't tell.

Day2: She copies all statements about the Captain into one post. In conclusion, she says Sally is odd (but relativates it, hmm...) and suspects Boro. She goes after Lal a bit and defends Brinn. She doesn't think good of Nogrod and Gwath and takes up a point of mine against Boro and votes him in the end. Apart from the shadiness around Sally, I'm fine with all this, except that she could have tried harder to get support for Boro, which had untapped potential.

Day3: Defends her vote for Boro. Questions the Gwath-voters (which is a neat thing to do if she knew there were no wolves to find in there). #344 doesn't sit right with me at all: She seconds a thing Boro (who later received her vote!) said and makes me, and everyone, give opinions on Lal. Why? Why if you didn't seriously intend to vote for her yourself? This move would make sense if you were trying to see how much support for Lal there was, but first teaming up with Boro and then voting him looks simply wolvish. Of course, if she is a fellow of Sally, why didn't she vote for Lal to save her? Maybe she considered Sally to be a goner and didn't want to get involved in a competing bandwaggon for Lal or Nogrod.

Day4: Defends her vote for Boro (again) and agrees with Nogrod on Boro's innocence now.

I admit that I looked at her in the worst possible light now. But even in a more positive light, pretty this isn't.

Nerwen · 09-18-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

She seconds a thing Boro (who later received her vote!) said and makes me, and everyone, give opinions on Lal. Why? Why if you didn't seriously intend to vote for her yourself? This move would make sense if you were trying to see how much support for Lal there was, but first teaming up with Boro and then voting him looks simply wolvish. Of course, if she is a fellow of Sally, why didn't she vote for Lal to save her? Maybe she considered Sally to be a goner and didn't want to get involved in a competing bandwaggon for Lal or Nogrod.

Mac, I wasn't "teaming up with Boro and then voting him", I was hesitating between him and Lal. The fact that he suspected her just made it harder to decide. Haven't you ever been in that situation yourself?

EDIT: X'd with Nogrod and Shasta.

Macalaure · 09-18-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Nilp

P.S. RANGER, I'm serious, guard someone else. Like Nog or Mac.

Nah, don't protect me. Unless Nilp is the cobbler, which I highly doubt, there are now three known innocents. The wolf won't waste his kill on someone who, while regarded innocent by most, is still someone who could get lynched in the end. If you want to gamble, ranger, better choose between Nogrod and Shasta.

I didn't understand it when Rikae went after McCaber and I don't understand it now. Yes, he might be a wolf, but please, let's look for the more obvious choices first. I appreciated it when Boro took a look at him, but voting him based on that is over the top. The idea that Boro is indeed the cobbler is more and more manifesting itself.

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Mac, I wasn't "teaming up with Boro and then voting him", I was hesitating between him and Lal. The fact that he suspected her just made it harder to decide. Haven't you ever been in that situation yourself?

I have, but it is something that wolves do, too. I'm not saying you are certainly a wolf, but for me right now, you're the most wolvish one around.

Nogrod · 09-18-2008, 10:24 AM

Thanks for the input Shasta!

(Yeah, classes are classes and that's it, but you might have found time to contribute something at some moment... maybe?)

My thoughts right now.

Known innocents are going to be the ones to go - every Night now. So I'm a bit reluctant to lynch Nerwen toDay as she would be one known innocent - if not a wolf that is - who might make a difference. So let's leave her to Nilp. I mean if you have people as dedicated as Shasta as known innocents they're of not too much help if they just pop in and vote without reading (sorry mate, but true). And no one can grant Fëa would turn into a dedicated village-saver or Lal would leave her page 4 and look at other possibilities - if either of them were proven innocent. But I know Nerwen could do it.

And she still is one of my top suspects so learning she is a wolf the next Night would just end the game right there. Fine.

EDIT: X'd with Mac

Macalaure · 09-18-2008, 10:26 AM

Point taken.

Isabellkya · 09-18-2008, 10:29 AM

I must go in 5 minutes, after I get my shoes on.

I've gone through Mith's posts until 399 on page 11.

All in all, I don't think there is a whole lot to say about her. She posts a lot, but not much is said. She says her suspicions, but doesn't (as of yet) put in a lot of analyzing towards them. There are a lot of misreads/clearing things up between her and other people.

I don't think I will place my vote with her toDay.

Will get shoes on and debate with my head.
Back shortly to vote.

X'ed with Mac, McCaber, and same time as Nerwen.
To point out - do not take the shoe references as a Cobbler claim/hint. I really do need to get my shoes on, so I can leave for work.

Mithalwen · 09-18-2008, 10:35 AM

[QUOTE=Isabellkya;568221]I must go in 5 minutes, after I get my shoes on.

I've gone through Mith's posts until 399 on page 11.

All in all, I don't think there is a whole lot to say about her. She posts a lot, but not much is said. She says her suspicions, but doesn't (as of yet) put in a lot of analyzing towards them. There are a lot of misreads/clearing things up between her and other people.

I don't think I will place my vote with her toDay.
QUOTE]

I don't really do analysis very much (to much of a busman's holiday), I try it sometimes but usually I find instinct more useful and chips n chat poker a more enticince way to spend time... yes that was a confession - I haigh proportion of the times I say I'm off to have a look at something I am really playing a few hands but that is laziness not malice ....

Mithalwen · 09-18-2008, 10:38 AM

Only thing is that Lal is being so cobblerish that it is hard to think anyone else could be.

Part of me says Boro is just like that but I would mind being fooled by him more than most people, Fea is another. Trouble is both are the sort of players who can get a bit bored if they don't have a special role and like to amuse themselves if deprived of official significance.

Mithalwen · 09-18-2008, 10:40 AM

Ok folks not much more than 20 mins left by Downs Time. Does anyone have a vote tally already?

Nogrod · 09-18-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Trouble is both are the sort of players who can get a bit bored if they don't have a special role and like to amuse themselves if deprived of official significance.

That is true as well... now why did you remind me of that Mith?

I mean thanks, but there goes the confidence as you're right in this...

McCaber · 09-18-2008, 10:29 AM

Wow, I did not expect an argument like that, Boro. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am indeed just a very lucky innocent. In fact, up until Nilp's reveal, I was trying to convince the wolves that I was the seer and should be killed.

And Boro is indeed showing remarkable strains of cobblery.

09-18-2008, 10:24 AM	#4
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Thanks for the input Shasta! (Yeah, classes are classes and that's it, but you might have found time to contribute something at some moment... maybe?) My thoughts right now. Known innocents are going to be the ones to go - every Night now. So I'm a bit reluctant to lynch Nerwen toDay as she would be one known innocent - if not a wolf that is - who might make a difference. So let's leave her to Nilp. I mean if you have people as dedicated as Shasta as known innocents they're of not too much help if they just pop in and vote without reading (sorry mate, but true). And no one can grant Fëa would turn into a dedicated village-saver or Lal would leave her page 4 and look at other possibilities - if either of them were proven innocent. But I know Nerwen could do it. And she still is one of my top suspects so learning she is a wolf the next Night would just end the game right there. Fine. EDIT: X'd with Mac __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

09-18-2008, 10:29 AM	#6
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	I must go in 5 minutes, after I get my shoes on. I've gone through Mith's posts until 399 on page 11. All in all, I don't think there is a whole lot to say about her. She posts a lot, but not much is said. She says her suspicions, but doesn't (as of yet) put in a lot of analyzing towards them. There are a lot of misreads/clearing things up between her and other people. I don't think I will place my vote with her toDay. Will get shoes on and debate with my head. Back shortly to vote. X'ed with Mac, McCaber, and same time as Nerwen. To point out - do not take the shoe references as a Cobbler claim/hint. I really do need to get my shoes on, so I can leave for work. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

09-18-2008, 10:35 AM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	[QUOTE=Isabellkya;568221]I must go in 5 minutes, after I get my shoes on. I've gone through Mith's posts until 399 on page 11. All in all, I don't think there is a whole lot to say about her. She posts a lot, but not much is said. She says her suspicions, but doesn't (as of yet) put in a lot of analyzing towards them. There are a lot of misreads/clearing things up between her and other people. I don't think I will place my vote with her toDay. QUOTE] I don't really do analysis very much (to much of a busman's holiday), I try it sometimes but usually I find instinct more useful and chips n chat poker a more enticince way to spend time... yes that was a confession - I haigh proportion of the times I say I'm off to have a look at something I am really playing a few hands but that is laziness not malice .... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-18-2008, 10:38 AM	#8
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Only thing is that Lal is being so cobblerish that it is hard to think anyone else could be. Part of me says Boro is just like that but I would mind being fooled by him more than most people, Fea is another. Trouble is both are the sort of players who can get a bit bored if they don't have a special role and like to amuse themselves if deprived of official significance. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-18-2008, 10:40 AM	#9
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Ok folks not much more than 20 mins left by Downs Time. Does anyone have a vote tally already? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-18-2008, 09:25 AM	#1
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	A look at N'Rwen: Day1: She makes one post pointing into multiple directions and adds some inconclusive things on Gwath. Not her fault she couldn't come back. The one post could come from both baddie and goodie, you can't tell. Day2: She copies all statements about the Captain into one post. In conclusion, she says Sally is odd (but relativates it, hmm...) and suspects Boro. She goes after Lal a bit and defends Brinn. She doesn't think good of Nogrod and Gwath and takes up a point of mine against Boro and votes him in the end. Apart from the shadiness around Sally, I'm fine with all this, except that she could have tried harder to get support for Boro, which had untapped potential. Day3: Defends her vote for Boro. Questions the Gwath-voters (which is a neat thing to do if she knew there were no wolves to find in there). #344 doesn't sit right with me at all: She seconds a thing Boro (who later received her vote!) said and makes me, and everyone, give opinions on Lal. Why? Why if you didn't seriously intend to vote for her yourself? This move would make sense if you were trying to see how much support for Lal there was, but first teaming up with Boro and then voting him looks simply wolvish. Of course, if she is a fellow of Sally, why didn't she vote for Lal to save her? Maybe she considered Sally to be a goner and didn't want to get involved in a competing bandwaggon for Lal or Nogrod. Day4: Defends her vote for Boro (again) and agrees with Nogrod on Boro's innocence now. I admit that I looked at her in the worst possible light now. But even in a more positive light, pretty this isn't.

09-18-2008, 10:26 AM	#5
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Point taken.

09-18-2008, 10:29 AM	#11
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	Wow, I did not expect an argument like that, Boro. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am indeed just a very lucky innocent. In fact, up until Nilp's reveal, I was trying to convince the wolves that I was the seer and should be killed. And Boro is indeed showing remarkable strains of cobblery. __________________ Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century.