Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[Isabellkya]

Voting time..

++Nogrod

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Lynch me, kkthx. (Vzv, I'm supposed to be a god o' rain, drop the /f/. )

All right, being serious . . .

Voting innocent: McCaber, Izzy, Mac, Mith

A Wolf-on-Wolf vote on DAY 1 is possible, but I don't think this one is. I'll explain in a separate post. In any case, the way they're posting toDAY corroborates their innocent auras. Speaking of posting . . .

Posting innocence: Nogrod's DAY 1 antics was rather suspicious, I would have voted for him yesterDAY (were I around then . . . ), but now his votes indicate his earnestness to get a Wolf-pelt today. He had me particularly and especially convinced with 166. Which means I'll more likely vote for Brinniel toDAY. But I'll try to get something original from my mind, too, so don't worry.

Boro looks rather earnest, too, but his feeling 'chummy' with Nogrod raises my eyebrows. A bit. But he's probably innocent.

Nerwen feels innocent, too.

More later, I'll have to chew page 6 properly, first.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Why I believe the killers of Despair-taichou are innocent.

(Borrowing Nerwen's voting list: )

Rikae --> Sally (1:19 AM GMT).
Shasta --> Boro (6:42 AM)
Brinniel --> Mac (1:27 PM)
Gwath --> Rikae (1:49 PM)
CaptainofDespair --> Day One (2:29 PM)
McCaber --> CaptainofDespair (3:35 PM)
Lalwendë --> Brinniel (3:46 PM)
Feanor of the Peredhil --> Boro (04:02 PM) (Boro 2)
Isabellkya --> CaptainofDespair (04:41 PM) (CoD 2)
Kath --> Brinn (04:41 PM) (Brinn 2)
Mac --> CaptainofDespair (4:56 PM) (CoD 3)
Nogrod --> Gwath (4:48 PM)
Sally --> Boro (4:59 PM) (Boro 3)
Mithalwen --> CaptainofDespair (4:59 PM) (CoD 4)
Boro --> Lalwendë (4:59) PM

I agree with the chappies who say the most innocent are those who voted for him last, but there are a lot more (and less damaging) people to vote for. Wolf-on-Wolf votes, in my opinion, happen only when there is less chance of there being a bandwaggon in the Wolf's 'favour.' It could be masked as vendetta votes (either due to gaming history or disagreement with strategy or whatever reason I may have forgotten) since it's less likely that vendetta votes are followed by the masses.

Therefore, I would bet my eyes (my precious bloodline limit Sharingan) that the four are innocent.

In any case, like I said, I like the way they're posting right now.

As for my suspicions:

• Nogrod's post 166 re Brinniel has convinced, like I said before. Because of this I am highly likely to vote for her.
  
  
• Gwath is rather twisty. Hehe. Meaning he seems to start with the premise that Nogrod is indeed a Wolf:

  However, I'm inclined to be more wary of any lists of "suspects" that wolves produce, no matter what point in the game they occur. (Gwath 168)

  and then kinda goes on from there (198). Hey, I hate DAY 1s, too, man, but at least I listen to DAY 1 theories. Would you rather have us pulling names out of our hats? You vote for who you think the most suspicious is, no matter how you reach that conclusion. (Well, an innocent does. So far as I know . . . )
  
  Hmm . . . his defence of this:

  It seems obvious to me that Nogrod is making a concerted effort to find arguments against me where very few exist. His points can be summarized as follows:
  
  1. Nogrod is inclined to find me guilty because I am making assertions about other people, which I profess to not doing when I am a wolf, playing "low-key." If I were a wolf, he implies, I would do the opposite of what I claim to do as a wolf. Because I am doing the opposite (i.e. I am making points about others), I must be a wolf. This, at least, is the implication.
  
  The first problem in this argument (albeit an implied argument) is that it argues that I am a wolf based on the assumption that I am a wolf.
  
  The second problem is that he misdefines "low-key". "Low-key" does not mean silence or lack of discourse. It means that I am careful not to draw unecessary attention to myself. Lack of discourse is obvious, and therefore not low-key.
  
  2. According to Nogrod, it is strange for me to profess to "thinking on-screen."
  
  However, he purports to doing much the same thing in post #163: "I'm just trying to help myself to orientate and to see where to look in the beginning toDay." There's nothing weird about this. Organizing one's thoughts by posting makes a lot of sense.
  
  3. Because I claim to be a low-key wolf, my statement in a later post that I am not trying to fly under the radar - in other words, not trying to play low-key - looks mighty suspicious.
  
  Actually, I agree with him here. I don't like, however, that he makes much of the chills and shivers that my post sends down his spine. Appeal to the emotion is an effective rhetorical device, but it's not helpful here.
  
  Overall, this post of Nogrod's seems forced and exaggerative. (Gwath)

  Yeah, I found his post a bit facetious, but it is DAY 1 'evidence' and is therefore entitled to some benefit of the doubt. At least it gets discussion moving in a better direction for the village, than, say, doing IC banter. But your defence was simply . . . *shakes head* All this talking about what you might do if you were one or other, what you think he might think of what you're doing, etc. (which you did twice--once yesterDAY and this now toDAY) and rehashing DAY 1 discussion (I thought you hated DAY 1s, why bring them here in DAY 2?) is just *shakes head some more*.
  
  
• The Fea-Shasta affair is exactly the cloak for a Wolf-on-Wolf interaction I'm wary of. Easier to survive in your own little world, after all. The cold hard world is cruel, it bitess.
  
  

[Nerwen]

[QUOTE=Nilpaurion Felagund;567769][*]Gwath is rather twisty. Hehe. Meaning he seems to start with the premise that Nogrod is indeed a Wolf:

However, I'm inclined to be more wary of any lists of "suspects" that wolves produce, no matter what point in the game they occur. (Gwath 168)

Quick correction: the list in question was by the known wolf CaptainofDespair, not Nogrod.

EDIT: X'd with Nogrod.
EDIT2: Fixed quotes.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Quick correction: the list in question was by the known wolf CaptainofDespair, not Nogrod. (Nerwen)

Ach so. I was confused what with that statement coming so hard upon the heels of his strong accusation of Nogrod.

[Macalaure]

Mith -> Gwathagor
Boro -> Lal
Fea -> Boro
Izzy -> Nogrod
Gwath -> Nogrod (Nog 2, Boro, Lal, Gwath 1)
Caber -> Sally (Nog 2, Sally, Boro, Lal, Gwath 1)
Rikae -> Caber (Nog 2, Caber, Sally, Boro, Lal, Gwath 1)

There's no better way to give only two wolves voting power than to spread the votes like that.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

There's no better way to give only two wolves voting power than to spread the votes like that.

Exactly.

Funny thing you said Sally, of people thinking Gwath is generally felt suspicious. There's me... then...?

So over-reacting or just not reading anything from the thread (but why then make the comment?)?

[Macalaure]

Since I wouldn't like to see Nogrod go now, I think I'll vote for one of the given candidates (unless a secure Brinn-waggon suddenly appears). I'm leaning towards voting for Boro, with Sally and Gwath as possible second choices.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Danke for the list, Mac.

Hmm, and yes, voting for Brinniel does nothing. Suspect #2, however, already has a vote.

Ergo:

++Gwathagor

[satansaloser2005]

Shoot shoot shoot shoot! *mutters and flails* Back in five minutes with THE most watered down "what I think" post ever.



I'm still wondering why everyone (well, not everyone, but you know what I mean) thinks Gwath is so guilty. I'll have a look at it toNight and see where that vibe seems to be coming from.

Back in five. Ish. Hopefully less.

EDIT: x'd, I'm sure.