Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[Nogrod]

Okay. I finally got home. I think I have a couple of things to say at last..

Btw. Boro, you should visit my Spore when it's ready. There the evolutionary mechanism will be trimmed with 100% causality with no errors eg. the mutations are preplanned and will execute themselves as supervised. That's intelligent design... Your empirical machine seems to be a bit rusty & random.

[Boromir88]

Your empirical machine seems to be a bit rusty & random.~Nogrod

Rusty? no. Random? Yes. The scary thing is I'm actually considering trusting it for my Day 1 vote, but I still find it to be more accurate than a dice roll or a hat pull.

The newer version, Bada Bing Bada Boom 2.0, I will be done with shortly, where I plan to successfully eliminate any randomness.

Fea, stare all you like.

Edit: By the way Nogrod...how is spore? I've played the demo, it's terribly addicting.

[McCaber]

I have to go soon, so here's my semirandom vote:

++CaptainofDespair

for cryptic remarks and other general nonsense.

EDIT: crossed with Boro .. again

[Nerwen]

Prior to CaptainofDespair's Day One vote, he is only mentioned in passing:

Nogrod lists him, along with Lalwendë, Macalaure, and Fea, as “Those who have not deviated from the IC-talk” (#22)
Lalwendë says of him, "No idea” (#61)
Macalaure: “*shrug*”

After the weird vote:

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Oh, come on. Yes, half-random Day 1 votes aren't great, but not voting at all doesn't get us anywhere.

Also, those half-random votes often bring some insights with them on Day 2, and you have just elegantly dodged that for yourself...

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Seriously? No, really, you're bluffing right? This is one of those 'I'm going to let the Daleks think they can kill me but really my companion is bringing the TARDIS back in five minutes to save my behind' kind of things, right? I just find this extremely....not good.

Originally Posted by McCaber

Brin seems a little off to me, as does the Captain.

Originally Posted by McCaber

++CaptainofDespair

for cryptic remarks and other general nonsense.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Votes, but doesn't. At the same time, though, I've never played with Captain before, so I'll just leave this alone, at least for toDay.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I am off now..so, I suppose this is a throw away vote at best..

++CoD

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Boro, CoD & Brinn on two now. Of those I'd say Brinn might be the best choice but CoD has been annoying.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Brinn, Gwath, and Captain D are on my list, neither of which I feel really confident voting...

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm between Boro and Brinn myself, unless something happens in these last ten(ish) minutes. I'd like to figure out what Captain's up to so I'm not too keen on that route. Bah, I'll send this and see what time the Downs says it is, then I may comment more.

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

If I have to choose between the current ones it will be CoD .. something too clever clever about the day 1 thing...

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I'd hate to see CoD go this early, simply because he's a fascinating specimen I've never seen before.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

CoD, judging from his contributions today (no offense intended), would be the least of a loss if innocent.

++CaptainofDespair

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Umm I think CoD is going to be a victim for a wolf bandwagon

(Boro had 2 votes at this point himself)

Originally Posted by Nogrod

CoD is the "easy" lynch and therefore probably wrong... [

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

It's true, Captain has been the least helpful, but that doesn't mean we have a Captain Fuzzball on our hands. I can't kill someone with good conscience when I have no idea what they're on about, at least not the first Day. (Votes Boro)

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Would probably go for Shasta or Nogrod if there was a point but for bad reasons (not to lose Boro and Brin yet)

++ Captain of Despair

And here are the votes, with timing (GMT):

Rikae --> Sally (1:19 AM GMT).
Shasta --> Boro (6:42 AM)
Brinniel --> Mac (1:27 PM)
Gwath --> Rikae (1:49 PM)
CaptainofDespair --> Day One (2:29 PM)
McCaber --> CaptainofDespair (3:35 PM)
Lalwendë --> Brinniel (3:46 PM)

Last hour:

Feanor of the Peredhil --> Boro (04:02 PM) (Boro 2)
Isabellkya --> CaptainofDespair (04:41 PM) (CoD 2)
Kath --> Brinn (04:41 PM) (Brinn 2)

Last ten minutes:

Mac --> CaptainofDespair (4:56 PM) (CoD 3)
Nogrod --> Gwath (4:48 PM)
Sally --> Boro (4:59 PM) (notes that she crossed “with a host”) (Boro 3)
Mithalwen --> CaptainofDespair (4:59 PM) (CoD 4)
Boro --> Lalwendë (4:59) PM

Comments: As others have said, Sally is a little odd... she's one of the first to raise suspicion of CaptainofDespair, but then plays it down the tighter the noose gets around his neck. However, it's not as if there was a particularly good case against him.

I find Boro's behaviour most peculiar. His neck was on the line for the last hour– why didn't he vote one of the other leads to save himself? (True, I guess he couldn't have known about Sally's vote for him, but then he couldn't have known about Mith's for CoD either).

EDIT: X'd with Isabellkya, Sally, Brinniel and Gwath.
EDIT 2: Left out quotes.

[Nerwen]

Gwath, can you please fix up the tags in your last post? I can't tell what's you and what's Nogrod.

[Isabellkya]

Nogrod..

Day One:
#13 - IC
#18 - Banter
#22 - Comments on Boro's quick mind change, it is interesting
Mith's suspicion of him is not unexpected, but the timing/placement is interesting.
Doesn't mind the continuous IC, as long as wolves do it as well.
#75 - IC
#78 - Replies to Boro's inquiry on his thoughts of Rikae's Ordo claim. States interested in her motive. Sympathizes with her.
#80 - Gwath discussing Rikae in post #31 caught his eye, and his actions after rang alarm bells.
#83 - Vote tally.
#96 - Directs at Mith about bringing up a misread on his part.
Is battling himself about Gwath. He looks wolfy and has reasons, but not completely sure about him - having been wrong about him before.
Will vote for Gwath if there isn't a Sub, no better cases, or if he doesn't have to try and save a less guilty one.
Unhappy with subs and non-contributors
#99 - time check
#102 - Replies to Mith's comment of being right about his paranoia.
#106 - Banter. Continue with wolf hunt.
#113 - Inquires about Gwath votes. Boro, CoD, Brin all with two. Brin is best choice, CoD is annoying, won't vote for Boro for being himself.
#123 - If Brin innocent - good to have around. Can see why Brin could be a wolf, though not too confident of her guilt.
#130 - CoD is easy, and probably wrong. Wants Boro around. Gwath over defensive. Inquires about others' thoughts.
#135 - Tries for Gwath, votes.
#138 - Questions about tie.
#141 - Boro is hero, or great bluffer.


In #113, he is shopping around for votes. I think if he really wanted to lynch Gwath, then maybe he should've delved into him a bit deeper.
He also thinks Brin is the best choice out of the three-way tie, but he hadn't made a case against her, or even really stated why. Why not?
He also finds CoD annoying - who had made a total of two posts. Why was he annoying? Lack of contribution?

In #123, he says he can see how Brin could be a wolf, but doesn't say why.

#135, he votes for Gwath. Having already stated he was unhappy with the lack of contributors, did you honestly think you were going to get the rest of the people who hadn't voted yet, to lynch Gwath? There hadn't seemed to be takers on voting for him - as you shopped a few times before actually voting. There was little time, and people left to do so. I think if anything, this was a throw away vote.


Day Two:
#163 - Thinks unlikely a wolf among the CoD voters, though possible.
Doesn't think that a wolf is among the list that CoD had suspected.
Divides everyone into two categories - probably safe and where 1 or 2 wolves could be lurking.
#166 - Wants to know who will innocent claim next.
States that Brin has said some things, which should have a second look at.
Gwath is his first suspicion, Brin his second.
#167 - Banter
#171 - Points Gwath to his suspicions on him.
#178 - Compares day one hating activity vs. theorize day ones.
Wolves can hide easier in random, day one hating days.
#180 - Replies to Boro. States it is a good idea for someone to look at Brin, and he will look at Sally.
His day one suspicions against Brin were not lynch worthy, yet combined with his suspicions of her for toDay, felt they should be brought forward.
#182 - Agrees with Mith on CoD's competency and resourcefulness.
Thinks Gwath is a nervous wolf under pressure.

I think how he pointed out that the wolves could hide easier in the more random, day one hating days - is odd to me. I think it is just, how he said it.
There are a number of exchanges between Nog and Boro - they are obvious and out in plain view - so I don't think they are wolf mates. However, it could be a very bold move.

I don't know if I would vote for Nog, but I definately have my eye on him.



Sally...

Day One:

#33 - Into, IC, Banter.
#35 - Finds Fea's wolf comment interesting.
#38 - Banter.
#69 - Disagrees with CoD's vote of Day One. Kind of does a 'wth'.
#92 - Boro, CoD, Brin, Rikae are top votees.
Boro is to together.
CoD Votes but doesn't - never played with him, so she'll leave it alone for the day.
Brin - over apologizes.
Rikae - The comment which was paired with her vote for Sally.
First choice is Boro.
#118 - Between Boro and Brin for voting. Wants to figure CoD out, not keen on voting him.
#121 - Wonders about semi-concensus on Brin.
#125 - Still considering vote.
#136 - Agrees CoD has been the least helpful, but can't vote in good conscience.
Votes for Boro.

Overall, I think there is more banter and joking around than there is discussion. But I think it is just how she is, so can't call her wolfy just because of that. I could, but that would just be silly.
She has CoD has a top votee and says she is going to leave it alone for the day. But repeatedly states it and brings him up in further posts.
If you can't in 'good conscience' vote for someone, then why would you put them on your vote list?
It seems to me, that the reasons for her vote list, are stretched and forced.
In #125 when you were still considering your vote, you said it was because of Nog's post #123. That he was speaking the truth. Were you considering because you agreed with what he said about Brin, or because you were waiting for him to make his vote?

Day Two:

#195 - Questions killing of Kath, says it is random.
Figures she misjudged CoD, and was right he looked funny.



Well, that took longer than I thought it would. I'll continue tomorrow, err later today before I head off to work. I need to go to sleep now, waaay late.


x'ed since my last post.

[Lalwendë]

I don't really find Sally shady. I think, like Boro, she is (was) a bit all over the place. There's nothing really sinister there.

Nogrod and Gwath are too verbose (that long post of Gwath's was not what I wanted to see on a Sunday morning ). However verbosity can simply be the sign of a cobbler, and wolves might be less chatty to be honest. Either way, it'd be amusing for a wolf to see as they're going to finish each other off if they carry on.

In direct contrast, what about the silent ones?

CoD wasn't over talkative yesterday, nor was Kath, and both of them are dead now. It was worth taking a punt on lynching a quiet one as it turned out yesterday. And as I might be wolf meat tonight anyway, I may decide to take a wild card for my lynch vote and have a punt on someone quiet.

So I'm watching these today: McCaber, Isabellkya, Nerwen, Fea.....with Nilp most likely to be drawn out of my bag for a vote if no obvious wolves turn up.

[Boromir88]

I don't really find Sally shady. I think, like Boro, she is (was) a bit all over the place. There's nothing really sinister there.~Lal

She wasn't all over the place. She consistently said me and Brin were her top suspects, and after the initial "what the heck" reaction to CoD, she defends him several times afterwards.

She tied me with CoD. Mac's vote for CoD broke the 3-way tie and in a cross post, sally voted for me tying it back up. When sally voted she most likely thought she was breaking the tie (even if she didn't assume that she was still diverting from CoD), thus she was making a deliberate effort to save CoD and lynch me.

I admit I didn't think he was a wolf, but I didn't have a "wth" reaction to CoD's vote and then defend him through the rest of the day after saying I would let him be.

He also thinks Brin is the best choice out of the three-way tie, but he hadn't made a case against her, or even really stated why. Why not?~Isabell

Good point, and then he casts a throw away vote for Gwath. Something I'm not used to seeing from Nogrod. I remember back when we were all younger Mith going on about Nogrod's need to stay until the dead line and poll/organize the voting. And Nogrod was doing that yesterday, it's a really nice thing to at least have some order at dead line, if that person isn't a wolf. What's so strange about Nogrod, is after polling around, being involved, trying to see the options (and saying Brin would be the best choice) he chooses to stay out of the action and cast a throw away vote.

I think how he pointed out that the wolves could hide easier in the more random, day one hating days - is odd to me. I think it is just, how he said it.

I don't know how odd that is. Nogrod will say that whether he's a wolf or an innocent.

[Nogrod]

First. Boro asked me what I thought of Rikae's declaration of ordinariness. Well, I'm mainly interested in the motive behind that move. I mean making that kind of opening isn't exactly the most hilarious joke or the most ingenious or fresh move. So why would Rikae make it? Also it's hard to see it as a spontaneous reaction to anything (when one reacts spontaneously one may let that kind of banalities out from her keyboard) as she had known her role almost two days altready and she opened her first post with it.

Now I do sympathise with Rikae if she is an innocent indeed as I really felt relaxed and overwhelmingly happy when I heard I was innocent in the last game after a long period of special roles. But to say it aloud in your first post... So why?

I wouldn't like to lynch her for that but the declaration certainly raises eyebrows.

Originally Posted by Boro

By the way Nogrod...how is spore?

Never played it as my PC is too old to run it... but I am the Spore anticipator as you know...

[Lalwendë]

My vote is cast for

++ Brinniel

For the following:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Call it a backlash vote or whatever, but I can't help but feel uncomfortable about someone when they make a case against me based on a few short statements I made...especially when he knows I won't be around later to defend myself. I don't know if there'll be any accuracy in my vote, but I'm out of time and he's the first name that came up.

Alright, so she may be being honest, but there's honest and making too many apologies. And the best thing I have to go on during the first day is very basic psychology. Brinniel's behaviour best fits the bill for concealing a little too much.

[Isabellkya]

*a flute playing can be heard*

Boro, I could see Shasta revenge voting you. Since it is Day 1, there isn't much of a dire need to get an execution on a [s]Shinma[/s] Wolf toDay. Sure, it would be nice, but I don't think it HAS TO HAPPEN. Though, it begs the question, did you two not play together in a game after the Ranger debacle?

I can sympathize with Brin, I don't think it necessarily means she is hiding something. But being accused (sometimes leading to a bandwagon) when you aren't there to defend yourself, is never nice.
Though, I can't see that Mac was doing it for the sole purpose that she wouldn't be here around deadline time.

*music fades*



X'd with Nogrod and Fea.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

*a flute playing can be heard*

Boro, I could see Shasta revenge voting you. Since it is Day 1, there isn't much of a dire need to get an execution on a [s]Shinma[/s] Wolf toDay. Sure, it would be nice, but I don't think it HAS TO HAPPEN. Though, it begs the question, did you two not play together in a game after the Ranger debacle?

.

No they didn't . And I do suspect a spite vote there. I know Shasta was done up like a kipper there but I thought he was bigger than that. So it could be a cover....