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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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I wish I had my Silmarillion book with me, I just lent it to a friend! Wasn't Beren mentioned as being a Gnome?
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At least I am pretty convinced that's not in Silmarillion, neither in the UT. And I doubt that the HoME would be any different, because, as we just heard, Gnomes are Noldor. Although... now that you speak of it, I have something like vague impression that I heard somewhere something like that. But more like the thing that Túrin was called "wild Wose". But maybe I am just imagining things.
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In the published Silmarillion Beren was a mortal man but in BolT II (or HoME II), written much earlier than both the Hobbit and LotR, he was indeed a Gnome. In Tolkien's early writing the Gnomes fell under Morgoth much earlier and much more comprehensively than in the later legendarium. When Beren made his way into Doriath the kingdom was still free behind the Girdle of Melian, while the Gnomes were long defeated and broken mentally by Morgoth and they basically did what he asked them to do. Therefore he often allowed then to move freely and they were distrusted and shunned by the elves of Doriath. Beren was originally intended as one of these Gnomes and was ie a Noldor Elf and not a Man to use the more familiar terminology.
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In the early Tale of Tinúviel Beren was seemingly first a Man, then an Elf (a Gnome), and ultimately a Man again of course.
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