Manwë stumbles

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Originally Posted by Bêthberry

Manwe knew/knows what the cost of pride/ambition/rebellion is.

Never stopped me.

Our laws today, with the threat of punishment, are obviously not deterrents. So what you are saying is that, if not for the example of Melkor's punishment, Manwe would be running amok? Not sure that that's what I'm getting at. Maybe, to speak more in your terms, why is Manwe such the dog? Isn't there even a bit of feline in him, making him want to tease his "master," if not outright disobey him?

Why were the teams decided so long ago for these beings? Is there never even a thought of playing for the other side? Could Eru do something that would push Manwe into rebellion?

Think how lucky a parent Eru is, never having to wonder which 'kid' broke the vase.