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littlemanpoet · 07-19-2008, 03:57 AM

Here is a link to the U.S. Army disagreeing with (not necessarily NASA, but) the popularly accepted song and dance: link

Hot, crispy nice hobbit · 07-20-2008, 12:30 AM

Gee, this is getting too serious...

Considering the fact that no one had ever done any archaeological digs on the Moon in Middle-Earth, won't it be better to keep an open mind about myths and whatnots? I believe that J.R.R.T meant literally that the Moon is really a space-Maia(TM) running after another space-Maia.

But Hobbits clearly had another concept about the Moon.

Perhaps after a few Ages (this being pro'lly the Seventh), Ol' Tirion had become a fossilised lump of space junk. And Arien grew to become the overweight, grumpy ball of flame due to inattention from her only mate in space...

Oh yes, Morgoth could probably be an Earth-sized Comet by now...

alatar · 07-21-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Here is a link to the U.S. Army disagreeing with (not necessarily NASA, but) the popularly accepted song and dance: link

This person isn't the only dissenting voice, as noted here. I'm not sure how many scientists agreed with anything in the IPCC's report (just try to get 200+ people to write a report in which they all agree). I realized that 'something was up' as soon as I heard Vice President Al Gore say those immortal words, "The debate is over!" That's an absolutist statement, more akin to religion than science. In science, the debate may never be over; you should always question the establishment (Worlds in Collision does this, though its evidence is scant and predictions non-existent, and yet science still has 'debated' it). Whether man-made global warming (or is it climate change?) is happening or not, I think that discussion of the results and experiments is a healthy thing, regarding of where the data may lead. Those stating that it is truly man-made have the burden of proving it, just as those asserting that it's not even happening have to show the data.

Eventually the truth will win out.

To start back a few steps, that NASA probe Deep Impact sent back some snapshots of Earth and the Moon. Can we at least agree that there are no turtles holding up the Earth? And we finally get to see what Tilion's craft looks like from the back.

alatar · 07-23-2008, 08:35 PM

Sorry for the double post, but if I don't set this to pen now, surely I will forget it and the thought will become lost.

Did Immanuel Velikovsky get the idea for his work, "Worlds in Collision" from the science fiction author H.G Wells? Velikovsky published WiC in 1950, though of course it was written earlier. H.G. Wells published the following works (which, thanks to the glory on the internet, you can read online) as indicated:

The Star - 1887

In the Days of the Comet - 1906

The Star, a short story, described what happens when a planet cuts loose, flies by Earth, destroys most everything then dives into the sun. The ending is cute/humbling. In the Days of the Comet, a huge comet comes close to destroying Earth, but doesn't, though the tailing gases leave more than one guesses behind.

No dragons, however, though I recently spotted one that may not fit the current paradigm.

07-19-2008, 03:57 AM	#1
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	A dissenting voice Here is a link to the U.S. Army disagreeing with (not necessarily NASA, but) the popularly accepted song and dance: link

07-20-2008, 12:30 AM	#2
Hot, crispy nice hobbit Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Troll's larder Posts: 195	Moon rock = dandruff of Tilion? Gee, this is getting too serious... Considering the fact that no one had ever done any archaeological digs on the Moon in Middle-Earth, won't it be better to keep an open mind about myths and whatnots? I believe that J.R.R.T meant literally that the Moon is really a space-Maia(TM) running after another space-Maia. But Hobbits clearly had another concept about the Moon. Perhaps after a few Ages (this being pro'lly the Seventh), Ol' Tirion had become a fossilised lump of space junk. And Arien grew to become the overweight, grumpy ball of flame due to inattention from her only mate in space... Oh yes, Morgoth could probably be an Earth-sized Comet by now... __________________ 'He wouldn't make above a mouthful,' said William, who had already had a fine supper, 'not when he was skinned and boned.'

07-23-2008, 08:35 PM	#4
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	Sorry for the double post, but if I don't set this to pen now, surely I will forget it and the thought will become lost. Did Immanuel Velikovsky get the idea for his work, "Worlds in Collision" from the science fiction author H.G Wells? Velikovsky published WiC in 1950, though of course it was written earlier. H.G. Wells published the following works (which, thanks to the glory on the internet, you can read online) as indicated: The Star - 1887 In the Days of the Comet - 1906 The Star, a short story, described what happens when a planet cuts loose, flies by Earth, destroys most everything then dives into the sun. The ending is cute/humbling. In the Days of the Comet, a huge comet comes close to destroying Earth, but doesn't, though the tailing gases leave more than one guesses behind. No dragons, however, though I recently spotted one that may not fit the current paradigm. __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.