Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[Folwren]

Well, if Nogrod would rather not, then I won't complain. It could be interesting, even if we have to insert it in someone else's post, like I did with my two above. Or we could just do what Nogrod just suggested, figure out what was said by PM and use it ourselves.

I'd be pretty much happy either way. I'd LIKE to do it, but I'd survive if we didn't.

[Nogrod]

I quess the most important thing is how what had happened in that discussion has unfolded... There was a situation having a lots of tension in it and now time has passed - so what was the conclusion of the discussions and how has it worked up to this point we're posting now? We should be clear of that before posting for any of our characters getting involved with the others...

Lommy is here at my place now (well, at the exact moment she's outside but she agreed with this) and we could come up with our suggestions - and you Foley should let us know what you think (by PM I think as not to burden the others anymore with this).

Then after we have a shared understanding about both A) what happened in that discussion and B) how have things unfolded after that up to this Day, we can all post in accordance and continue the interplay...

That sounds okay?

PS. If you really want to do it - let's go then! No problem... We're here together - Lommy and I - for this day and tomorrow. Then we'll be off the net for as couple of days... Just send us the times you're going to be online and we'll see whether it fits... I mean after all constructing posts together is always a great fun!

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lommy is here at my place now (well, at the exact moment she's outside but she agreed with this) and we could come up with our suggestions - and you Foley should let us know what you think (by PM I think as not to burden the others anymore with this).

I personally think it might be just as entertaining, not to mention helpful to others, to see such a discussion unfold on the discussion thread. This is likely to be NOT the last time this kind of thing is needed considering time jumps. But if you're going to do a PM built post, then obviously this does not obtain.

[Folwren]

Entertaining? Ha. Perhaps so! Anyway, I PMed Noggy and Lommy already and hopefully they'll write back sometime today...before they take off for the middle of nowhere with no internet access. We'll see what we come up with.

-Foley

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

I personally think it might be just as entertaining, not to mention helpful to others, to see such a discussion unfold on the discussion thread.

By all means...

So Foley, the obvious point of departure would be that both Modtryth and Stigend, as well as Garstan, would feel a little shamed about their boys and would admit the two are to be blamed. But only partly I suppose.

It's also pretty clear they would punish Garmund and Cnebba in some way they see fit.

But how to make things better then?

One possibility would be that if there is a skill Javan has and the two don't, the parents could ask for lord Eodwine to lend them his authority and to demand the boys to acquire that skill, learning it from Javan. That would kind of require Javan to take responsibility and give him an opportunity to earn respect from the two.

That's what we came by after a little talk. So what say you Foley?

PS. Another question then would be how all that would have then turned out... But let's decide on this first.

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod summed up our (his and mine) discussion about the subject quite well.

Originally Posted by Noggles

One possibility would be that if there is a skill Javan has and the two don't, the parents could ask for lord Eodwine to lend them his authority and to demand the boys to acquire that skill, learning it from Javan. That would kind of require Javan to take responsibility and give him an opportunity to earn respect from the two.

There's just one problem in this suggestion - and I was aware of it when I first came up with this idea - but is there really anything Javan knows and Cnebba and Garmund don't, or where he would be far superior? I cannot think of anything right now, unless Javan has had some training in fighting skills. (But in that case I can see Modtryth objecting to the idea. ) But maybe you Folwren have some idea? I'm all ears...

[Thinlómien]

Hey what about archery? Would Javan know that? Nog pointed out that Javan wouldn't probably know sword-fighting if he almost loses a fist-fight to Cnebba and Garmund (for you learn all sorts of brawling if you want to learn to use a sword) and I must agree. Besides, this would be something Modtryth wouldn't necessarily object to. And Nog wants to add that learning this kinfd of skill would positively unite the boys.

What does it sound like, Foley? Do you have a better idea?

[Folwren]

I wouldn't say that Javan almost lost to Garmund and Cnebba! Garmund's bigger than he is, to begin with, and they were two against one anyway.

Javan may know archery. I've never incorporated that, though. He is the son of a land holder and his father farms. However, at that time, his father probably also knew how to fight, so Javan may have learned something. Archery (on horse back particularly, which the Eorlings knew) is fastinating to me and I would love it. Not to mention, if someone were to learn, the earlier they learned the better. On the other hand, would Garstan and Stigend (and Eodwine, too, for that matter) trust Javan with the two younger boys with bows and arrows?

How long term do they want to do this? We can say that Javan knows the basics of raising a garden...or any crop. To give fair warning, since I personally dislike gardening with something of a passion, Javan probably won't like it, either. *little whistling face, with his eyes rolling up towards the sky*

On how it would all turn out... I think it would be most interesting if they didn't get along together very well at first and then, eventually, got to like each others companies and became very close...but almost in a different way than Garmund and Cnebba became close. Maybe more like and older brother type relationship? I kind of have an idea of one scenerio that could bring that about, but I'll have to think more on it before submitting it.

Okay, now about Thornden during the talk...he'd too be greatly ashamed about Javan's behavior, likely more so than the parents, and would immediately express that Javan behaved badly, even though he was provoked.

Now...Nogrod...you've actually had kids...this is something of a tough situation for me, who can only speculate on what it's like to have kids. Who's fault was it, really? The first time (the fist fight), I think Javan really didn't have a whole lot of choices. The second time (the disagreement over the tents and the canopy, etc.), well...I don't know. Thoughts? Anyone - not just Noggy?

I've got to run. May be back later this evening, I don't know.

-- Foley