Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[Kitanna]

So I've been poking around at those who voted for Eonwe and for Eonwe himself. Someone (Form I believe) took a look at EW voters and since Eonwe was next in line with the highest vote count I figure it may be prudent to examine them as well.

The following is based on Day 2 posts. It would be ideal if I could looked at Day 1 as well, but I may not have the time or attention span to dedicate to that.
Nilp:
His first post of the day pretty much recapped Day 1's events. He voiced mild suspicions on Eonwe, Eomer, Rikae, and to some degree Nogrod.
His second post defends Kath's random vote as not being wolf-on-wolf.
The next posts highlights what he thinks of some villagers.
He voted for Eonwe saying he was the most suspicious and he had done nothing to assuage his suspicions.

Ka:
Her first post was little more than an "I'm here" statement.
Her next post she talks about trying to avoid a Agan/Form/Nilp bandwagon and that was behind on the posts when she had voted. States she felt Agan had forced herself to look indecisivel with her vote. Mostly talked about wanting to avoid certain bandwagons from Day 1.
The next post she half defends Eonwe's voting placement as a simple cross post. She states being unsure about Mith as well Sally. She half suspects Agan, looks most probably on past experiences than anything else. Doesn't really hold any suspicions of Nilp unsure about Boro and Form. Voted for Eonwe out of indecision.

Elf-Warrior:
First post clarified gender.
Next voted for Eonwe with no time to explain.

Shasta:
First post of the day was mostly stating he was there.
Next post rates the village as such:

Suspicious: Eomer, Eonwe

Sort-Of Suspicious: Kath, Sally, Elf-warrior

Mediocre: Everyone not mentioned above or below this line -----------------------

Not-So Suspicious: Nogrod

Not Suspicious: Mith, Nerwen

Does some Nerwen translation next. Responds to a Nilp query and answers a question I had posed about wolf-on-wolf voting.
Makes a voting list and points out "this the second day in a row that Elf-Warrior's cast a vote for the person with the most votes with no explanation..."
Next is a deadline question.
Says Eonwe and Eomer look the most suspicions and says he wouldn't mind seeing Eonwe gone.
The next posts are answering rule questions and translation.
Finally a vote for Eonwe.

Eonwe

What? She started a bandwagon against an innocent!

In reference to Kath starting a bandwagon against Eonwe and Nilp's response to Kath doing wolf-on-wolf.
Next post is a defense of his cross posting with Eomer on voting for Mith.

You're right.In fact, it may have been Nilp that started that, then Nerwen joined in, making it the 3rd vote, which I think could (And maybe should) be classified as a bandwaggon.

Backtracks there about Kath starting a bandwagon. He had stated maybe Kath hadn't started it on purpose, but once called out by Eomer that it doesn't necessarily equal a bandwagon on the first vote he backs off.
The next two posts are fairly unhelpful. He responds to one of Nerwen's queries about conspiracy theories, stating it was a thrown away theory he made IC. Though I'm a bit confused as to what theory the were talking about.
Next he recaps the votes, somewhat saddened Nilp has voted for him.

To correct my last, post, I will say that maybe a bandwaggon is forming, and against me!

Most suspicious person on my list:
The Elf-Warrior

Votes for me after two others have, and with no reason either. Then again, THE Ka seemed like she didn't think I was guilty, but then voted me.



Elf-Warrior, if you don't sayy someting to convinve me otherwise in the next 30 minutes, I think I might have to vote you.

A vote for EW would certainly have been a self-preservation vote. But what made EW the most suspicious? Eonwe could have picked Agan to vote for who, like EW, had one vote.
Next he votes EW. At this point Eonwe led the votes as the lynch candidate by one vote. His vote for EW was most probably self-preservation.
Recaps the votes again a bit later.
The next is nothing more than verifying this was EW's second game.

What does this teach us? That I need to not be lazy and go back to Day 1 to dig deeper. I, however, probably won't. I admit to my own laziness and if I do that I may actually miss the vote as I dig deeper for answers that may not even be there anymore (given the addition of a new hacker and all).

But as far as yesterday is concerned Ka and EW seemed to vote fairly randomly. Nilp suspected Eonwe from the first post of the day. Shasta is much the same stating Eonwe as one of his most suspicious early on. Ka may be up to mischief voting on indecision for someone who had already garnered one vote. I'm unsure what to think about Shasta and Nilp.

And as for Eonwe. He was somewhat opposed with his own bandwagon from Day 1. And he voted most likely to save his skin on Day 2. Though why he picked EW is a bit of a mystery to me. I might have missed something important... He's quick to jump to his own defense over even the most minor of attacks.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Why Eomer and not Rikae? Because due to something someone else (I think it was actually you, Kitanna!) said, Rikae seems innocent to me based on her first-day Nerwen vote. Part of it, though, is that I've been suspicious of Eomer since Day 1 and this just adds fuel to the fire.

Fair enough. I was curious as to why Eomer jumped out at you over the others who voted for EW.

I'm a bit baffled as what to do.
I think Eonwe is up to no good.
I haven't completely dropped my suspicions of Agan, but I'm leaning more on cobbler rather than hacker due to what we've learned about Nerwen.
As far as Shasta and Eomer are concerned, did they stage it? Maybe. If not Eomer looks a bit worse to me. I base that on our colorful WW history, as he put it. I have seen many wolfish faces to Eomer and his behavior today raises my eyebrow, though I don't know how inclined to vote for him I am.
Ka and Nilp remains a mystery to me.
Those are the five who I've looked at the closest today. I'll probably dig around some more and try to uncover any outstanding clues to go off of. But chances are good I will vote for Eonwe. He has jumped out the most to me thus far.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nog

A wolf kill... you mean? Yes I'm totally terrified by Kath to be sure...

Oh bother. I keep thinking of McCaber as a wolf kill. I know he wasn't but I just keep seeing his name and thinking that. Blah.

What I was thinking was that you'd be one to take down the quiet ones.

[Rikae]

I'm sorry, everybody - RL things have stolen all my time and mental energy today. I'm going to vote based purely on a hunch:

++Formendacil

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm sorry, everybody - RL things have stolen all my time and mental energy today. I'm going to vote based purely on a hunch:

++Formendacil

GASP. WE MUST VOTE HER FOR BEING UNHELPFUL!

plusplusRikae

.....

[Boromir88]

However I have skimmed again and it strikes me that not only is Nogrod being quietly amnipulative but he is being quiet.... normally you can't look away for a moment without there being more analysis.~Mith

But Nogrod is a loud wolf too. This seems like it's kind of shaky, Mith. Also, something Nogrod makes a good point about is to look at those who had very little interaction with Nerwen. I'd also say to look at the one's who had a neutral/more defensive view of Nerwen.

Nerwen came under heat in Day 1, but by Day 2 everyone thought she was just a victim of the wolves. And to relieve some of that pressure I can definitely imagine at least one of her packmates trying to push the "victim of the wolves" defense; or not even having contact with her at all, to try and not have so much interaction.

...you can say all you want about someone, but it all comes down to voting, whether you really want the person you suspect lynched or not. Boromir and Aganzir, as I've said before, did not follow through their suspicion by voting.~Nilp

True, I won't speak for Agan, but all I'll say is at least today she is one of the most innocent looking people. As for me, if I vote for Nerwen it's a wasted vote and I know I'd get suspected for not wanting "innocent" blood on my hands. I already said I don't want to see Eonwe lynched, EW's fate was already sealed, and so my vote turns out to be a waste no matter what. Hence why I said (inaccurately quoted by Durelin) "I'll be gunning for you tomorrow." I'll bring down all hell to make sure someone I think is very suspicious gets lynched, and I won't be happy until that person is lynched. Ask Form.

Nilp's non-vote is worrying and Mith's vote for Nogrod is too. I'll be back again once I read a little more thorougly this time. (When I said look at Nerwen's posts I didn't expect you to take it so seriously! )

[Nogrod]

The votes this far...

Aganzir -> Nilp (following a long hunt...)
Mith -> Nogrod ("I seldom regret voting for him and often regret not following through when I do suspect him")
Rikae -> Formendacil (on a hunch)
Nilp -> null vote
Kitanna -> Eönwë (he stands out the most)
Eomer -> Nilp 2 ("Oh come on, Nilp. At least vote for yourself." But there were rows already before that)
Shasta -> Eomer (to end the Day's row between the two)

Huh...

[Eönwë]

My internet is dying, so I had better vote quickly.

++Nilpaurion Felagund

I will explain when I can...

[Nogrod]

I'd be ready to vote Mith toDay. She acts not in her normal way and with her I'd say that is a sign of something that is not for the good.

Kitanna seems to be an obsession to me in this game. Somehow she manages to look quite innocent post by post but still I just can't rid myself from the idea she's a wolf. All good and nice with her posting but then again toDay her vote on Eönwë looks like the easy way a wolf might go for... It doesn't help my position to realise I myself am a bit worried about Eönwë as well (have been from Day1) but Kit's vote bothers me as a safe one.

Rikae seems to have her hands full and she has been unprecedently low key on this - but so have I myself and thence I can't blame her for that. But I'm a bit worried.

Shasta's sudden burst of activity raises an eyebrow (as someone already mentioned) but the same goes for Eönwë as well throughout the game.

Nilp and the Ka are ones I need to look closer as I seem to suspect them with points others have made. I'll try to see if I can get a hold of them myself now.

I tend to trust the judgements of Aganzir and Boro due to their record this far and the sense they have spoken.

[Formendacil]

Well, catching up on this thread took all of twenty-odd minutes--much longer than I expected on the basis of posting from the start of the Day. Good to see though.

To Boromir's highly relevant remark that people aren't paying enough attention to Nerwen and her relationships, pre-death, I must admit this is a very valid criticism, but in my own defence I was quite tired and more than a little forgetful last night, by the time I got back online after my power failures. That being said, I've still got no thoughts on who Nerwen might have been wolfing with, in the basis of the Nerwen posts. It is my general assumption that most players of this game (most, not all) are adept enough to play somewhere in that vague zone between mentioning a fellow wolf and drawing attention to a fellow wolf, and Nerwen certainly struck me as one of the line-walking capable.

Not that there's nothing out there to indicate her comrades, just that I'm not confident enough in my ability to spot it bother digging with a single half-hour left in the Day, and nothing leaping out at me.

What is leaping out at me is the randomness of Rikae's vote for me--natural, given that it's got my name in bold letters and there's a certain rush that comes from being voted for, but I really must say that her complete lack of reasoning, even if grounded in real life reasons, is almost insulting. I'd like to hear what reasons people have for killing me, even if they are ludicrous.

Much like Eomer, I'm finding myself vastly more confident today about Mith's innocence, though for different reasons. As for Eomer himself, however, I'm in a quandary of doubt based on this quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I'm not constructing a logical argument to demonstrate my innocence. All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today. It's not general; it's particular to me. Frankly, I don't care if anyone buys it; I'm not hiding my thoughts, and it's way less pressure to play as an innocent.

Now, unlike Nilp, I'm inclined to agree with this statement of Eomer's inclinations, but like Nilp, it gives me great cause for concern. While I'm willing to concede that Eomer has become a vastly more stable wolf than he originally was, I'm also entirely willing to credit him with presence of mind and strength of character to play the part of the bouncy, random ordo when he's actually the wolf. If he has indeed become a more cool, dismissive wolf, then this would bespeak a cunning and ability to plan that could easily translate into an act--as the loud, fight-seeker.

That being said, however, until he posted the above, I was feeling more sure about Eomer's innocence than I have all game. Clearly, other people are getting suspicious today, based on the votes, and I'm inclined to wonder if maybe Eomer is our freshly-bitten wolf.

More to come... must refresh, as there are sure to be more posts by now, and to recollect my thoughts.

[Formendacil]

Okay, thoughts on the votes thus far...

Mith's vote for Nogrod strikes a chord with me, if only because her reasoning articulates so well my thoughts about him. Namely, "I seldom regret voting for him and often regret not following through when I do suspect him." Nogrod is a player much like SPM was of old, and Boro is today: so formidable a player (or just a character... SPM had horrid luck, quite often) that one is pre-suspicious of him just on that basis. Nonetheless, I've been moderately suspicious of Nogrod since my castaway vote on Day 1, and I'm tempted to join Mith in this gesture.



On another topic, the anti-Nilp bids force me to reexamine Master Felagund. I think that the two of us had such a like attitude on Day 1 that I've ignored him since, seeing nought suspicious, but this is not a good idea, to just ignore someone. Nilp has been off of both the successful bandwaggons the past two Days, and has been noisy without making too much trouble.

The question, though, is whether is because he's clueless and affable or because he's clever and distracting. All my instincts lean toward the former, but recalling that I am over-inclined to agree with Nilp's mentality, I cannot but wonder if I might be more susceptible than most to his deceptions.


Definitely thinking of voting Nogrod... but am racked with scruples.

[Boromir88]

By the spread of the voting it seems like everyone is dazed and confused. None of those who have received votes seem all that suspicious to me. I take back what I said about Nilp's vote (yes I've managed to change my mind in the last 20 minutes about that). I disagree with the decision to not vote, because I don't know why anyone would not vote (wolf included). Kath had a good reason to withhold her vote, Nilp's been around and participating today...

I guess the most suspicious one (who has received a vote) is Eomer. I've been pretty silent about him, and that's mostly because I didn't know what to think about him. He looks innocent, but he's a very scary player. There was very little interactiong between Eomer and Nerwen, also his behaviour here late is very strange. I mean really he's just sounding kind of crazy (I'm referring to his post where he voted for Nilp), that's always a bad sign. As someone else said (maybe Durelin? - I've read way too much in the last 30 or so minutes, I think I've had an overload), I'm starting to see a phantom-ness boldness in Eomer.

Alright, but Mith is the one who is raising the alarms here. Her vote for Nogrod seems just really out of the blue. (I guess you could say that about my suspicions on Eomer and Mith as well though). Nogrod's very dangerous, and he's completely fooled me before, but so far I feel he's pretty trusty. What's really odd about the vote is the reasoning too. I guess to borrow a word for it...it's "forced." It seems like she just chose Nogrod out of the blue and tried to say "well he's quiet and I always regret it when I don't vote for him."

Now, maybe Nogrod is being more quiet than usual, but Nogrod is an extremely loud wolf and he's not afraid to talk whether he's a wolf or not. Also, I just got done reading a few of his pretty long posts, so he's probably not as active as usual, but to me he's still looking pretty loud! (No offense Nogrod).

Edit: x'ed with every post up to 326

[Boromir88]

Oh and something else I wanted to say (and look at) before I decide on who to vote for is I wonder if while Agan and I were discussing how we wanted to go after Nerwen if one of her buddies was around to prevent that and make EW's fate inevitable?

Going back to take a quick look back at yesterday, those who voted for EW whilst Agan and I were trying to see if lynching Nerwen was a possibility...

Eonwe
Rikae
Nerwen
Sally

Nerwen is obviously dead and a wolf, and I'll be captain obvious again by saying she's not going to vote for herself. I wonder if another wolf though wanted to make EW's lynch inevitable while there were still enough people to bandwagon against Nerwen.

Rikae looks the most innocent, as she had been after EW this entire time and plus I believe her when she said that it's time we put the EW thing to rest.

This would leave Sally and Eonwe, and I may have to start reconsidering my thoughts on Eonwe.

[Durelin]

I'm here and waiting to vote either Shasta or Mith.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nilp’s post 111. Says Nerwen is ‘’genuine in her eagerness to help this fair village’’. Yeah.

Nilp 134. Use of elipses seems to grudgingly accept that Kitanna was warranted voting for Nerwen. Rikae is not so warranted, though.

Shasta 144. Nerwen is ‘’not suspicious’’.

Nilp 156. Thinks Shasta is helpful and wants to keep him around. The only villager who gets this respect.

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There are a couple of other, piecemeal reasons why they are suspicious to me, but these relate to Nerwen, our known wolf, and are worth quantifying. The pair o' them look bad to me.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I have to go now, it's 5:30am here already and I still have to endure two or so hours of commute to school, where my first class shall commence at 8:30.

I really don't know who to vote, so instead of stabbing in the dark, I shall pull a Kath and abstain from voting toDAY.

Rest assured, if you still want me, I'd be more helpful, cerebral, analytical, whatever you want, tomorrow.

Or maybe I'll help you get me lynched? Nah, you're perfectly capable of doing that on your own.

++[null vote]

PS. Yes, Eomer, I'd be that obvious talking to a fellow Hacker. *coughcoughprevioustwogames*

[Kitanna]

++Eonwe
I haven't really uncovered anything else and Eonwe stands out the most to me.

[satansaloser2005]

You would think so, wouldn't you wolf boy?


Well isn't that just wizard. We lost our seer. I'll go through her posts and stuff later, but for now I need a nap. Be back later. (Oh, and I'll put up a vote tally then for anyone who's interested.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Cute, Sally dear.

I just ran back and looked through all twelve of Durelin's posts...

#25 - Purely IC first post.

#60 - Amused by Eomer. Amused by Boro. Likes Form. Thinks Kitanna is boring. Amused by Sixth. "Nogrod's role is just too Nogrod." Wants to see how long Nilp keeps his role up. Amused by EW. Laughs at Eonwe's first post.

#106 - Loves how people create conspiracy theories through the banter. Mentions that Nerwen coined the Agan/Nilp/Form brawl. Thinks Nerwen to be an easy lynch. Bothered by Kitanna. Votes Kitanna.

#114 - Adds Nerwen to the Agan/Nilp/Form brawl.

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#252 - Apologizes for missing a day. Wonders how EW was lynched. Wants to look at Kitanna, Eonwe, Mith, and Ka with regards to Nerwen. Thinks Nogrod and Boro haven't been paid enough attention. Likes Nogrod's vote, and likes Boro's day 1 attitude. Thinks Eonwe is a possible spammer.

#290 - Save.

#295 - Professes to be clueless. Thinks that Rikae, Kitanna, Aganzir, and Boro are innocent, (bit of a turnaround on Kitanna here) because they were consistently against Nerwen. Thinks Rikae is the most innocent and Boro the least out of this group. However, thinks Boro and Agan seemed a bit "neat", and remarks that both their three top suspects were the same (EW, Sixth, Nerwen) and that two were lynched and the third a wolf, and that neither Boro nor Agan ever voted for Nerwen. Mentions Boro's remark, "Nerwen, I'll be gunning for you tomorrow." as conveniently placed.

Thoughts on others:

Eonwe probably innocent because of his interaction with Nerwen.

Nogrod and Eomer "sorta defended Nerwen but not really". Thinks Nogrod the more obvious of the two.

Nilp was pretty neutral about Nerwen.

Sally also held a middle ground policy regarding Nerwen.

Shasta (hey, that's me!) kept what he said about Nerwen as neutral observation and put Nerwen on an innocent list with Mith.

Mith, Kat, and Form all avoided talking about Nerwen for the most part.

Thinks that based on the wolf kills, we probably have a Nogwolf.

#298 - Puts up a suspicious list.

Shasta
Mith
Sally
Eomer
Nogrod

Likes Shasta with his arguments of principles; thinks he might be a wolf.

Says Mith and Sally feel slippery.

Is bothered by Eomer.

"It just seems so right for Nogrod to be a wolf right now."

Still thinks Eonwe is cheesy.

#309 - Replies to Mith, correcting an impression about which post she paraphrased. Wishes Shasta and Eomer would just duel already.

#316 - Keeps thinking of McCaber as a wolf kill. Thinks Nogrod would be the one to take down the quiet ones.

#337 - Waiting to vote Shasta or Mith, never says why.

#342 - Thinks Eomer was probably important from the way he was acting. Votes Mith.

Thoughts -

With the number of times Durelin was suspicious of Nogrod "just because", I have to wonder if she didn't dream him and find that he was a wolf. And the turnaround on Kitanna (suspicion Day 1, followed by nothing, then thinks her innocent Day 3), makes her seem another likely Seer dream.

Edit: Removed an open bold tag.

[Nogrod]

I do agree with your interpretation of the turn-around with Kitanna, Shasta. And I might be dropping my case against her at the moment as Dury voted for Kit on Day 1 and then on Day3 thought her innocent because she voted for Nerwen on Day1. That could be enough and we might think she probably dreamt of Kitanna on her first Night of dreaming. But why did she say then in the beginning of Day3 that she wished to look more closely at Kitanna, Eönwë, Mith & The Ka? And why was her only defence of her innocence the fact she voted for Nerwen on Day1?

I'm not too sure we can wash Kitanna free with this evidence... but why does Shasta wish to make us think like that, overdoing Dury's "release" of Kitanna which is doubtful in the first place when one watches the evidence. She thought her innocent along with Rikae, Aganzir and Boro because of their votes. She didn't say she was especially innocent - on the contrary she said Rikae looked the most innocent of the four...

The next thing I'd like to bring forwards is this (nothing to do with Dury's status as the seer I guess but we might think this a good advice as we now know she was innocent and thence wasn't pulling our legs)

Originally Posted by Dury

Mith, Ka, and Formendacil all seemed to have avoided talking about Nerwen at all, really.

Exactly. I'm still thinking Mith is a wolf and The Ka might be one as well - or then Form but somehow I'm feeling he's not a wolf.

Dury's post #298 is really a baffling experience. Here it is in it's entirety:

Originally Posted by Dury

Alright, some conclusions from my ramblings:

Vaguely in order of suspicion (vaguely because I am incredibly indecisive):

Shasta
Mith
Sally
Eomer
Nogrod

Aganzir makes good points about Nilp I guess, but I'm just not feeling it.

I really like Shasta right now, with his arguing of principles and such, which is why I think he might well be a wolf.

Mith and Sally feel slippery. It seems like they're trying to be...nice.

Eomer bothers me. He's channeling phantom-ness.

It just seems so right for Nogrod to be a wolf right now.

Sally - Eonwe seems cheesy...he seems to me like he's trying too hard to be surprised at things, to be interested in things, to look like he's doing something...you know, bad acting.

Now Shasta is her top suspect but still she thinks she likes him "right now" and thence he must be a wolf! Is this the seer notice? Making a kind of contradictory statement to make us realise she points to him? Anyway there seems to be no easy hints in her posting... So maybe this is a more cryptic way of doing it?

In the end she was ready to vote for either Shasta or Mith. Now that paraphrasing leads one to wonder whether she had dreamt of neither even if she voted for Mith (whom I believe is a wolf) in the end.

It is just too cryptic as adding my latest deductions she should have voted for Shasta.... (so there goeas my theory)

Or then she was more careful we think she was but got bad luck being killed even if there was no point in her suspicions... Somehow I just can't believe it fully...

Edit: Corrected a host of typos & added the last sentence

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

With the number of times Durelin was suspicious of Nogrod "just because", I have to wonder if she didn't dream him and find that he was a wolf.

I'd like to look at Durelin's posts myself to see what I can draw from this theory. Durelin was never out right with her suspicions. Probably to avoid detection from the hackers and to avoid suspicion from the village. If she did dream of Nogrod as a hacker it would make sense why she never voted or cast "damning" evidence onto him. That would have ended her life sooner or drawn her out so she had to reveal her role before she was ready.

But Durelin may have had bigger suspicions she didn't vocalize, but did dream of and Nogrod was nothing more than a suspicion and she didn't dream of him. Since Durelin is now dead it's all guess work as to who she dreamed of and when.

But what about Shasta and Mith as her voting candidates for yesterday's vote? Could she have voted for one of them and found one of them a wolf? If that's the case she might have dreamt of Mith. Or those were two she wanted to dream of and never got the chance. If that's the case maybe it put the hackers on edge that someone was on to them.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm not too sure we can wash Kitanna free with this evidence... but why does Shasta wish to make us think like that, overdoing Dury's "release" of Kitanna which is doubtful in the first place when one watches the evidence.

"Overdoing"? I simply stated a thought.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh come on, Nilp. At least vote for yourself.

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

I might have voted Shasta but I remembered Aganzir already voted Nilp so I'm totally bandwagoning!!!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Oh come on, Nilp. At least vote for yourself.

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

I might have voted Shasta but I remembered Aganzir already voted Nilp so I'm totally bandwagoning!!!

++Eomer

Love you too, .

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

If I go down...