Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[Nogrod]

Looking at the above list from yesterDay and adding a few other general feelings I'd say the following.

Suspicious:
Nilp
The Ka
Eönwë


Innocentish:
Aganzir
Boro
Sally
Shasta


Baffled about:
Mith
Eomer
Form
Kitanna
Dury

Although it need to be remembered that someone has changed sides last Night and these are only feelings from yesterDay.

I'm off to have fun with Lommy & Greenie and prepare some dinner to us. I*ll be back later.

[Eönwë]

Kath? But agree with what most people have said- no trails.

Ok, but now it means that we have an extra wolf. One that wasn't there before. I don't think they'll be easy to find, but we shouldn't abandon hope altogether.

To me, the person with the biggest change over last night was Shasta. Until today he was very quiet, or at least very laid back and even though he posted, he didn't really say much. Today, he seemed much more lively and engaging in conversation. But maybe this is just a matter of time restraints (like my non-activity today before now). We'll just have to see if it develops into something.

Now, off to analyse some posts.... And catch up on what I've missed.

[Eönwë]

Wow, this is a quiet day...

[Durelin]

Well it took me absolutely forever to go back and read through things. And I am extremely clueless.

I am going to assume for now that Rikae, Kitanna, Aganzir, and Boro are innocent, because they were at least sorta fairly consistently after Nerwen (Agan on Day 1 and 2, Boro on Day 2) or actually voted for her. Rikae and Kitanna voted for her on Day 1. There's really no reason for any wolf-on-wolf, as early as Kitanna voted especially, and Rikae's vote tied Nerwen with everyone else 'in the lead'. So Rikae is the most innocent at this point. Boro is the least innocent seeming.

On the other hand, Boro's and Agan's campaigns against Nerwen seem so neat, and interestingly these seemed to be their top suspects:

The Sixth, EW, and Nerwen. Two of the three end up lynched. The one that doesn't is a wolf. They were more consistently after her than anyone, I think, but they didn't vote for her either Day. Yes, there's that whole not throwing your vote away thing, but... Boro's "Nerwen, I'll be arguing for you tomorrow" seems very conveniently places.

Anyway, my new handy-dandy list of the others (I hope all), in no particular order:
Eomer
Nilp
Shasta
Mith
Sally
Nogrod
Eonwe
Ka
Formendacil

Eonwe sorta-kinda went after Nerwen. He started in his very first post on Day 1 by saying that she wasn't doing anything useful, just posting randomly. But then he picks up on her Agan/Nilp/Form thing for a bit. Then he votes for Mith. On Day 2 Nerwen goes after him just a little bit and he defends himself. Right now I think I'm gonna add him to my for-now-assumed-probably-innocent list that I talked about above.

Nogrod and Eomer fall under the sorta defended Nerwen but not really category. I could fall under this, too, because of what I said on Day 1 about her being an easy wolf target, but they have that going on on Day 2, too. (Yes, I wasn't there, so who knows about me!) Of those two, Nogrod I think was more obvious about it.

Nilp...after his back and forth thing on Day 1, he seemed to try and remain pretty neutral about Nerwen. He has made sure to be ciritcal of the voting and the lynch targets, but I have been a bit, too. I thought of Nerwen as the easy lynch target on Day 1, too, because...well, seriously, the only reason she got attention at that point was because of her role.

Sally is an example of maintaining the middle ground on Nerwen. Talking about her as suspicious looking, but not trying to give any good reasons (holding onto simple ones like, "wow, she's posting a lot!").

Shasta made sure to talk about Nerwen, but kept what he said as neutral observation, and put her on a "Innocent" list with Mith. And then there's his interacting with her that is pure IC.

Mith, Ka, and Formendacil all seemed to have avoided talking about Nerwen at all, really. Form mocked her chat-speak and interacted with her about the whole ranger thing, and agreed with her on something she said about EW. On Day 1 Ka jokes we should keep her around because she's amusing. And also on Day 1 Mith simple mentions that "oh, Nerwen's very noisy," but follows that up with "but quiet people are scary too and there are lots of them!" She practically picks up Nog's anti-submarine campaign.

Speaking of which...based on the wolf kills, I'd say we must have a Nogwolf...

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Mith simple mentions that "oh, Nerwen's very noisy," but follows that up with "but quiet people are scary too and there are lots of them!"

what I actually said was I found Nerwen annoying but I don't know if that is just the first day banter or something more sinister. It is such a change from her usual calm, almost calculating style that I find it hard to judge. Maybe she is just having fun.

Dury - I appreciate you were summarising but I think this borders on misrepresentation, which makes me uneasy, however the "Save" was so brilliant that I shall leave it for now, though it can also be risky to disregard things because their writers amuse (I never wanted to vote for Ang in the teeth of the evidence because his posts were so delightful.

However I have skimmed again and it strikes me that not only is Nogrod being quietly amnipulative but he is being quiet.... normally you can't look away for a moment without there being more analysis. This time ( and I don't regard it as a bad thing as such) there are many others who are much more active in the discussion. Hard as it is to believe but Nogrod seems to be flying under the radar. Is that because in the classic scenario, Nerwen was a very loud wolf indeed?

Well I seldom regret voting for him and often regret not following through when I do suspect him.

++Nogrod

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Speaking of which...based on the wolf kills, I'd say we must have a Nogwolf...

A wolf kill... you mean? Yes I'm totally terrified by Kath to be sure...

Originally Posted by Dury

Mith, Ka, and Formendacil all seemed to have avoided talking about Nerwen at all, really.

Good work! I will keep this in mind.

Originally Posted by Mith

Can someone explain this principle of Noggie's. I am not sure I can see the moral highground of voting for Kit when it didn't matter.
...
I may well may well vote for him on the principle that I am getting heartily fed up with him acting as some kind of cyber sheep-dog, voting literally at at the last minute, expecting everyone else to vote before him, then wringing his hands in moral outrage when they fail to do what he wants. Especially as when he has done it in other games he has played he has been a wolf. Just seems like such a major back covering exercise as if he is terrified a vote may incriminate him in some way - manipulative without risking the exposure of taking a lead.

First of all I always vote late if I just have a chance. I want to influence the game with my vote and with no retractions you need to vote late then. Some Days it is crucial how the last votes go, some Days it doesn't matter the slightest as all the decisions have been done already. But that's not something one can predict or control as it depends on how others vote. YesterDay there was nothing to do in the end, on Day1 there was a situation where it could have turned anyway and thence it was vital (even if I did the wrong decision back then).

Go back to any of the games I've played and see for yourself; I always vote late if possible. So the idea that I'd be doing it only when I'm a baddie is downright wrong and you Mith know it (you were wolf once alone with me at the DL and you remember that - I was the innocent who had no heart to get you lynched even if I should have done it). Now why you try to bring that kind of misinterpretation up m'dear?

Secondly: it seems you're a bit more touchy than normal as you seem to interpret me parading a moral highground when I don't think I've done that. Yes I said - already yesterDay, among Boro and Agan - that our choises were bad ones. But has your lycanthrope soul started to feel jealous of us who can say it with a clear conscience that we disliked the decisions others made? I mean a wolf needs to go with the flow or come up with some faulty reasons of her own...

And anyhow. As you haven't said you're innocent I'm leaning towards thinking you're one of the wolves. You know having a reputation of never lying about these things is all fine and dandy as long as you're innocent (although it spoils part of the game) but if you now happen to be a wolf then you'll see that advance bouncing you back.

So I'm waiting for your next post...

EDIT: X'd with a host of posts... including Mith's vote...