Elbereth Gilthoniel - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Tarlondeion Of Gondolin · 02-22-2002, 01:36 PM

While Readig the Weathertop chapter I came across the part where Frodo says A Elbereth Gilthoniel to the wrigraiths. What does this mean?

Alchrivëwen · 02-22-2002, 01:40 PM

Hes calling out the name of the creator of the stars, a valar named Elbereth ((see The Silmarillion

Elendur · 02-22-2002, 01:58 PM

One of the Valier, Varda is the creator of the stars. She is known by many names, including Elbereth Gilthoniel.

LúthienTinúviel · 02-22-2002, 10:01 PM

Yes, Elentari, queen of the stars, a Valar. I believe the significance of the name is that she is one of the most powerful of the Valar and she created the light of the stars and placed the sun and the moon in the skies of Middle-earth where before there was only darkness and the light of the stars. Morgoth and all of his evil servants hated the light, as it it a symbol of good and the power of the Valar, the race which their master, Morgoth, fell from.

Namárië,
Lúthien

Niphredil Baggins · 02-23-2002, 10:11 AM

It is said in the Silmarillion something to the effect that when Varda was beside her husband Manwë, Manwë could see all that passed in Arda, and Varda could hear all the voices pleading and calling out there.
That is why calling her name is powerful. I think the name Elbereth Gilthoniel means star-kindler of the star-host. Elentári means star-queen.

littlemanpoet · 02-23-2002, 09:58 PM

This explodes the notion that the Valar had nothing to do with the Edain.

onewhitetree · 02-24-2002, 12:41 AM

Yes, she was queen of the stars. Varda, wasn't it?

littlemanpoet · 02-26-2002, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by onewhitetree:
<STRONG>Yes, she was queen of the stars. Varda, wasn't it?</STRONG>

Yup.

*Varda* · 10-17-2002, 02:45 PM

Varda would be little old me [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Elbereth Gilthoniel was just another name for Varda, the Vala. Varda is also known by Queen of the Stars, Elentari, and there might be another one. I don't rightly remember.

Varda

Galorme · 10-17-2002, 03:24 PM

When the elves first awoke, they watched the world in wonder. They saw darknes all around them, but in the shadowy meres (meers? meere?) of Cuiviémen they saw a reflection of pinpricks of light. They looked up, and in wonder they saw the jewled stars, bright, shining, beautiful. And they fell in love, and for ever more they loved the stars, and the Elebereth, their maker. The Eldar sing her name at nightfall, when the stars rise in the sky, and Varda always thinks of the Elves in her councils, for she loves them for the light in their eyes.

02-22-2002, 01:36 PM	#1
Tarlondeion Of Gondolin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Gondolin the fair Posts: 94	Elbereth Gilthoniel While Readig the Weathertop chapter I came across the part where Frodo says A Elbereth Gilthoniel to the wrigraiths. What does this mean?

02-22-2002, 01:40 PM	#2
Alchrivëwen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Everywhere and aywhere, look behind you! Posts: 56	Hes calling out the name of the creator of the stars, a valar named Elbereth ((see The Silmarillion __________________ A Elbereth Gilthoniel!

02-22-2002, 01:58 PM	#3
Elendur Wight Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Arnor Posts: 200	One of the Valier, Varda is the creator of the stars. She is known by many names, including Elbereth Gilthoniel. __________________ Son of Isildur.

02-22-2002, 10:01 PM	#4
LúthienTinúviel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Doriath Posts: 76	Yes, Elentari, queen of the stars, a Valar. I believe the significance of the name is that she is one of the most powerful of the Valar and she created the light of the stars and placed the sun and the moon in the skies of Middle-earth where before there was only darkness and the light of the stars. Morgoth and all of his evil servants hated the light, as it it a symbol of good and the power of the Valar, the race which their master, Morgoth, fell from. Namárië, Lúthien __________________ Such lissom limbs no more shall run on the green earth beneath the sun; so fair a maid no more shall be from dawn to dusk, from sun to sea. http://www.thereandbackagain.net

02-23-2002, 10:11 AM	#5
Niphredil Baggins Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 118	It is said in the Silmarillion something to the effect that when Varda was beside her husband Manwë, Manwë could see all that passed in Arda, and Varda could hear all the voices pleading and calling out there. That is why calling her name is powerful. I think the name Elbereth Gilthoniel means star-kindler of the star-host. Elentári means star-queen. __________________ Wistful, willful, wingless, fly!

02-23-2002, 09:58 PM	#6
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	This explodes the notion that the Valar had nothing to do with the Edain.

02-24-2002, 12:41 AM	#7
onewhitetree Seeker of Syntax Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Scene of the Crime Posts: 264	Yes, she was queen of the stars. Varda, wasn't it? __________________ onewhitetree (also known as Kate) Well, I'M BACK.

10-17-2002, 02:45 PM	#9
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 571	Varda would be little old me [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Elbereth Gilthoniel was just another name for Varda, the Vala. Varda is also known by Queen of the Stars, Elentari, and there might be another one. I don't rightly remember. Varda __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

10-17-2002, 03:24 PM	#10
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	When the elves first awoke, they watched the world in wonder. They saw darknes all around them, but in the shadowy meres (meers? meere?) of Cuiviémen they saw a reflection of pinpricks of light. They looked up, and in wonder they saw the jewled stars, bright, shining, beautiful. And they fell in love, and for ever more they loved the stars, and the Elebereth, their maker. The Eldar sing her name at nightfall, when the stars rise in the sky, and Varda always thinks of the Elves in her councils, for she loves them for the light in their eyes. __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!