Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the phantom · 06-15-2008, 09:04 PM

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I was really worried I was going to have to reveal myself at the end there.

But who would've believed you?

Oh, that's right. You had a way to prove it, didn't you?

I'm quite busy at the moment, but I'll have time to post my thoughts tomorrow. Well played everyone.

Roa_Aoife · 06-15-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

But who would've believed you?

Oh, that's right. You had a way to prove it, didn't you?

I'm quite busy at the moment, but I'll have time to post my thoughts tomorrow. Well played everyone.

My nephew is so smart.

On a related note: Wow... I lived to the end. I was really expecting to be dead by Day 3.

Roa_Aoife · 06-15-2008, 09:18 PM

See, my dear husband, I promised I would avenge you.

Lalaith · 06-15-2008, 10:13 PM

Ugh. I'm glad that's over.
I don't know where this myth came from that I make a good wolf. I was only ever a wolf before once, and then I survived with Boro and phantom holding my hand, er paw, to keep me on the straight. But perhaps this myth can be laid to rest now. I make a very wretched wolf. Sorry Rikae for letting you down.

I was particularly miserable as I was all by myself, and it was only Nogrod's kind cheer that kept me going. The only other bright spot was that I did enjoy everyone getting so confused by my kills. Actually, I was trying to find the Ranger. And yes, also to confuse by leaving no trails, no reasons. I was in no hurry to kill Durelin as she didn't suspect me. Plus then it would be less noticable that I hadn't been killed, either.

I was strongly tempted to kill Roa the night I killed Gwath, because I was frightened of her and thought she'd be the one to cause me trouble. And I was right. Goodness me woman, but you're good. AND you were the Ranger, after all. Curses. That might have bought me quite a few more days. Also I should have just been the sodding submarine I was accused of being, and not participated so much.

The voting at the end - well, firstly I forgot that Barrowdowns time was behind real time. Then I was just thinking, oh, fine, end it now. And if Roa had outed herself I would have lost anyway.

It was great fun being Hunter - although my instincts were completely off this game. Sorry phantom - I was useless, banging on about Lommy and so on. I'm glad you didn't listen to me.

And yes, being three roles in one game - is that a WW first? I don't know.

Finally, Nogrod, you are just the best mod. Very supportive, very fair, and the meta-narrative concept was brilliant. Thank you. *bows*

Gwathagor · 06-15-2008, 10:33 PM

So why did you kill me rather than Roa?

Roa_Aoife · 06-15-2008, 10:36 PM

I thought you did well, Lal. Honestly, I wasn't really certain at the end there. I was very nervously awaiting the results, thinking of what I would do if you were innocent.

And congratulations on being the first ever person to achieve three roles in one game. That was awesome.

Roa_Aoife · 06-15-2008, 10:53 PM

... My rep function doesn't seem to be working....

So-

Phantom: You're evil, and I still don't agree with you.

Brilliantly played.

Rikae: Welcome to the club of former EW's. You've done the legacy proud. (There's two of us- we can start a club now to counter the Fenris Wolves!)

To all the wolves: With the exception of Lal, I never even guessed. Very well done, though I expected a bit more of a fight when phantom started outing you.

To all the gifted: Didn't figure you out either. I thought the good team pulled it off quite well.

To Nogmodgod: That. Was. Epic. Really great job, especially doing it by yourself. I loved the narrations.

To everyone else too numerous to mention, that was a lot of fun. Thanks for the great game, even if it did get a little quiet there at the end.

Diamond18 · 06-15-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lal

Sorry phantom - I was useless, banging on about Lommy and so on. I'm glad you didn't listen to me.

You and me both. I was advocating Lommy or morm. Or Shasta. Or Roa. Or anyone besides Nilp, really.

satansaloser2005 · 06-16-2008, 05:29 PM

*chuckles* Ah, Volo, you make me giggle.

I'll probably end up repping you all tomorrow. I have a rather boring meeting at which I can hijack wireless. And again....

++Good game, everyone!

littlemanpoet · 06-16-2008, 08:26 PM

Wow. What fun! I started reading (I should say scanning) after the beginning of Day 3 (after all, a certain couple of rpg's had ground to a halt). What a ride! I'm really happy that this little game I made up is so playable by anyone who wants to give it a go. You did great, Nogrod! Needless to say, the phantom was awesome too. I was stunned and impressed by Diamond's coming out as GW then revealed by death as the late seer.

I think I can make a case that the scale was tipped in the favor of the GW. In DW I, the Good guys were allowed to talk to each other during the Day but not during the Night, and this gave the EW too great an advantage. Worse, in DW I the GW started with no gifteds whereas the EW started with 3 werewolves and chose a fourth on Night One.

In DW II, it was decided that the Good guys could communicate at Night just like the Evil guys, which evened things up. However, the good guys started out with 3 gifteds. This is what tipped the balance, I think, in favor of the good guys, and here's why: whenever the good guys had a seer, there were two Scries per Night for the good guys whereas the EW only had one. That's a powerful advantage! And it is why in DW-I, I made it so that the GW had started with no gifteds. My purpose was so that there should be a general sense of panic amongst the ordos with the EW almost assuredly getting a fourth werewolf on Night One, taking two ordos out per Night for three Nights (or more) running; it's why there needs to be such a big village. Of course, the GW would scry for a seer on Night One, but the seer wouldn't get to scry until Night Two. And only after the third Night does the GW have all the resources available to him or her, thus finally making it a more even game; by which time the EW might have 6 werewolves, or might only have 3 or 4 depending. It would probably make for a more intense game, and more exciting.

So the upshot, I believe, Rikae, is that you were fighting an uphill battle from Day Two onward. This takes nothing away from the stellar play of both good and bad guys. And I think Nogrod's choices were worth making; after all, DW is a work in progress (if there is ever a DW III). I wonder, though, if Rikae intuitively sensed that the playing field was (unintentionally) tilted against her, and therefore played her very risky trump card of claiming to be GW? Pure speculation; maybe she just sensed that she had already been scried.

Anyway, it was great fun to see the action unfold, even if it did interrupt the flow of a couple of rpgs.

Nogrod · 06-16-2008, 08:47 PM

It's a great concept lmp! And I'm sure we'll see a DW III maybe next year, maybe the one following that as it's kind of "mega-game" you can't put forwards very soon after another has ended. Rarity is one of its assets (DW I was played about exactly two years from the DW II).
*so the next mod get ready for I'm going to play in the next one*

I see the point of your discussion about the changes in the relative strengths of both sides lmp but I'd like to stress that the GW basically scried/ dreamt of one wolf/EW per Night. In a village that starts from almost thirty that's just unbelievably good luck - or sharp-eyedness... stress on the word unbelievable in both cases!

There were so many points in this game the whole thing might have taken a totally different route had one dream / scry been different... Had tp not scried Dury (without a seer eg. with his only scry!) there would have been three wolves in the end... that would have made a difference!

Or taking an example from the other perspective... Had Rikae taken as her last wolf (which she didn't know was to become her last) someone like Lommy or Shasta the game would still be going on... or had she not de-scried Lalaith but actually managed to get herself one more wolf at the Night before...

So I think we had quite a nice balance this time... it was only that our Wizards produced some very unprobable actions!

But surely it's for the next one to host this game to decide whether to change the rules and into which direction...

06-15-2008, 09:18 PM	#3
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	See, my dear husband, I promised I would avenge you. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

06-15-2008, 10:13 PM	#4
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Ugh. I'm glad that's over. I don't know where this myth came from that I make a good wolf. I was only ever a wolf before once, and then I survived with Boro and phantom holding my hand, er paw, to keep me on the straight. But perhaps this myth can be laid to rest now. I make a very wretched wolf. Sorry Rikae for letting you down. I was particularly miserable as I was all by myself, and it was only Nogrod's kind cheer that kept me going. The only other bright spot was that I did enjoy everyone getting so confused by my kills. Actually, I was trying to find the Ranger. And yes, also to confuse by leaving no trails, no reasons. I was in no hurry to kill Durelin as she didn't suspect me. Plus then it would be less noticable that I hadn't been killed, either. I was strongly tempted to kill Roa the night I killed Gwath, because I was frightened of her and thought she'd be the one to cause me trouble. And I was right. Goodness me woman, but you're good. AND you were the Ranger, after all. Curses. That might have bought me quite a few more days. Also I should have just been the sodding submarine I was accused of being, and not participated so much. The voting at the end - well, firstly I forgot that Barrowdowns time was behind real time. Then I was just thinking, oh, fine, end it now. And if Roa had outed herself I would have lost anyway. It was great fun being Hunter - although my instincts were completely off this game. Sorry phantom - I was useless, banging on about Lommy and so on. I'm glad you didn't listen to me. And yes, being three roles in one game - is that a WW first? I don't know. Finally, Nogrod, you are just the best mod. Very supportive, very fair, and the meta-narrative concept was brilliant. Thank you. bows __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

06-15-2008, 10:33 PM	#5
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	So why did you kill me rather than Roa? __________________ Stories and songs.

06-15-2008, 10:36 PM	#6
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	I thought you did well, Lal. Honestly, I wasn't really certain at the end there. I was very nervously awaiting the results, thinking of what I would do if you were innocent. And congratulations on being the first ever person to achieve three roles in one game. That was awesome. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

06-15-2008, 10:53 PM	#7
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	... My rep function doesn't seem to be working.... So- Phantom: You're evil, and I still don't agree with you. Brilliantly played. Rikae: Welcome to the club of former EW's. You've done the legacy proud. (There's two of us- we can start a club now to counter the Fenris Wolves!) To all the wolves: With the exception of Lal, I never even guessed. Very well done, though I expected a bit more of a fight when phantom started outing you. To all the gifted: Didn't figure you out either. I thought the good team pulled it off quite well. To Nogmodgod: That. Was. Epic. Really great job, especially doing it by yourself. I loved the narrations. To everyone else too numerous to mention, that was a lot of fun. Thanks for the great game, even if it did get a little quiet there at the end. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

06-16-2008, 05:29 PM	#9
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	chuckles Ah, Volo, you make me giggle. I'll probably end up repping you all tomorrow. I have a rather boring meeting at which I can hijack wireless. And again.... ++Good game, everyone! __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

06-16-2008, 08:26 PM	#10
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Wow. What fun! I started reading (I should say scanning) after the beginning of Day 3 (after all, a certain couple of rpg's had ground to a halt). What a ride! I'm really happy that this little game I made up is so playable by anyone who wants to give it a go. You did great, Nogrod! Needless to say, the phantom was awesome too. I was stunned and impressed by Diamond's coming out as GW then revealed by death as the late seer. I think I can make a case that the scale was tipped in the favor of the GW. In DW I, the Good guys were allowed to talk to each other during the Day but not during the Night, and this gave the EW too great an advantage. Worse, in DW I the GW started with no gifteds whereas the EW started with 3 werewolves and chose a fourth on Night One. In DW II, it was decided that the Good guys could communicate at Night just like the Evil guys, which evened things up. However, the good guys started out with 3 gifteds. This is what tipped the balance, I think, in favor of the good guys, and here's why: whenever the good guys had a seer, there were two Scries per Night for the good guys whereas the EW only had one. That's a powerful advantage! And it is why in DW-I, I made it so that the GW had started with no gifteds. My purpose was so that there should be a general sense of panic amongst the ordos with the EW almost assuredly getting a fourth werewolf on Night One, taking two ordos out per Night for three Nights (or more) running; it's why there needs to be such a big village. Of course, the GW would scry for a seer on Night One, but the seer wouldn't get to scry until Night Two. And only after the third Night does the GW have all the resources available to him or her, thus finally making it a more even game; by which time the EW might have 6 werewolves, or might only have 3 or 4 depending. It would probably make for a more intense game, and more exciting. So the upshot, I believe, Rikae, is that you were fighting an uphill battle from Day Two onward. This takes nothing away from the stellar play of both good and bad guys. And I think Nogrod's choices were worth making; after all, DW is a work in progress (if there is ever a DW III). I wonder, though, if Rikae intuitively sensed that the playing field was (unintentionally) tilted against her, and therefore played her very risky trump card of claiming to be GW? Pure speculation; maybe she just sensed that she had already been scried. Anyway, it was great fun to see the action unfold, even if it did interrupt the flow of a couple of rpgs.

06-16-2008, 08:47 PM	#11
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	It's a great concept lmp! And I'm sure we'll see a DW III maybe next year, maybe the one following that as it's kind of "mega-game" you can't put forwards very soon after another has ended. Rarity is one of its assets (DW I was played about exactly two years from the DW II). so the next mod get ready for I'm going to play in the next one I see the point of your discussion about the changes in the relative strengths of both sides lmp but I'd like to stress that the GW basically scried/ dreamt of one wolf/EW per Night. In a village that starts from almost thirty that's just unbelievably good luck - or sharp-eyedness... stress on the word unbelievable in both cases! There were so many points in this game the whole thing might have taken a totally different route had one dream / scry been different... Had tp not scried Dury (without a seer eg. with his only scry!) there would have been three wolves in the end... that would have made a difference! Or taking an example from the other perspective... Had Rikae taken as her last wolf (which she didn't know was to become her last) someone like Lommy or Shasta the game would still be going on... or had she not de-scried Lalaith but actually managed to get herself one more wolf at the Night before... So I think we had quite a nice balance this time... it was only that our Wizards produced some very unprobable actions! But surely it's for the next one to host this game to decide whether to change the rules and into which direction... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... Last edited by Nogrod; 06-16-2008 at 08:50 PM.