Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Thinlómien]

By the way, as luring as the approach of who Rikae would have picked is, I think we shouldn't give it that much importance. I think we've already proved that almost everybody would be a good and a bad choice in one way or another. So we really can't deduce anything. It'd be better to concentrate on actual wolvish behaviour, even as there's probably little of it to be seen yet.

Personally, I would not be surprised if someone of those who just popped in and voted yesterDay (with no RL excuse) was quite furry, because who else than a wolf would think there's nothing more to do that Day? (Well, looking at the number of posts, probably quite a few innocents.) Anyway, I'm going to do a check.

[Thinlómien]

Okay: Eönwë, Greenie, Shasta and Kath did not do anything of importance but vote after Celuien's role was revealed for sure. Wolves!

Like said before, Eönwë was not probably picked by the EW, so I'd not lynch him first. Both Shasta and Greenie feel rather innocent to me (this far), so I'm going to vote the one my maths too suggest we should lynch:

++Kath

I don't think picking her would have been a bad choice from Rikae. She might be a predictable pick, but she seldom seems really wolvish and she's a master of slipping away from becoming a real vote candidate. Rikae could have counted on that Kath would not be voted out easily, even if she was suspected.

Also, when Kath's dead I feel freer. If we don't lynch her, I have to be worried about her constantly...

[A Little Green]

I agree with Lommy that too much conclusions can't be drawn from who Rikae would or would not have picked. However, meanwhile we wait for more people to appear and the discussion to get a bit more lively, I see no fault in discussing this topic. At the very least, it makes people say something. (Me included.)

Originally Posted by Roa

Everyone, please remember that when Rikae scried the last wolf, she wasn't planning for him to go in alone. At that point, she couldn't have known that Durelin would be scried, and Celuien handed over for lynching. Had things gone according to Rikae's plan, we would have three wolves right now, instead of one. This last wolf was meant to work as part of the team, not on his own.

Good point. In this light, we could look for a person who would fit in well in a pack with Dury and Celuien. (No idea who that might mean.)

I, too, have to vote pretty soon, and I don't know who to vote. I suppose I'm off to do some reading. And by the way, where is everyone? (Maybe I'm just irritated because now is the only time I get online toDay and I'd like to have someone talk with me... )

[A Little Green]

Because I have nothing else to do, I'll - surprise surprise - make a list!!

Sally - Leaning innocent? Hasn't changed at all during the last Days. It scares me that I hardly think about her as a possible wolf.
Lommy - I'm inclined to think her innocent. Her behaviour is genuine and hasn't changed much, and besides she speaks sense.
Roa - Would have been a very good pick for Rikae, but seems innocent enough.
Shasta - No real opinion on him at this point.
Legate - Again, a very good possible pick. I'd very much like to see him toDay before I go so I can judge better.
Lalaith - The double-scry stuff gives me a headache so I won't comment on that. Anyway, she has behaved very innocentishly toDay so I'm inclined to think her innocent. (Wow, what a logic!!)
Gwathie - No idea, could be anything.
Dury - Innocent, obviously.
morm - A very difficult case. Would have been a risky pick, but also a brilliant one. I have the impression of him being somewhat more helpful toDay. Don't know what to make of that, though..
Eönwë - No idea. Probably not a wolf.
Kath - Would have been a very good pick for Rikae as well. Could be the last wolf. I'd like to see more of her as well before I go.

So.

Being an excellent pick for Rikae:
Roa
Legate
Kath
(morm)

Has changed behaviour lately:
morm (Though he has behaved rather more innocentish... Bah. My logic isn't working.)

Sneaky or under my radar:
Sally
Shasta
Gwath
Eönwë
Kath

I don't suspect at the moment:
Dury
Lommy
Lal

This is frustrating. I made these silly lists to clear my thoughts but they are just more messed up than ever. I hope someone turns up before I have to go, which is in an hour or so, because I don't really like talking to myself.

[A Little Green]

Blah, it seems my hopes of getting company are doomed to fail. I'll have to vote very soon now... My vote candidates at the moment are Kath and morm, possibly also Leggie. I feel uneasy about voting any of them, though, I have seen so little of them toDay.

[A Little Green]

Gah.

++ Kath

Good night.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I am here, but I won't post really anything toDay. See the admin thread, what more, everything became kinda dramatic for me suddenly so I did not have time to do anything. I can't read the thread and thus judge anything, the less vote.

Sorry, I'll try to do better when I'm back toMorrow.

[Kath]

I will say little in my own defence, if someone's mind is made up about me there's hardly a lot I can do. I am not a wolf so my death will not help you, but nor am I the Ranger so it will harm you in no way but numbers, and we can probably afford a couple of mistakes at this stage. I would rather not be lynched though, it's been a very long time since I've lived to the end.

Oh, which reminds me of something morm said about wanting to be a lone wolf. Brave, brave man! I've done it twice and it's the most nerve-racking thing in existence.

Now I am going to make myself look entirely suspicious by suspecting Lommy right back. But there are reasons. She made three posts all within minutes of each other:

Post 1 - argues that we should remember Rikae was choosing her last wolf, and that Lalaith would possibly make a good wolf.

Post 2 - we should ignore Rikae's opinion and focus on wolvishness (here actually I agree) and wolvishness is appearing and just voting yesterDay, which she then admits even innocents did, surely then negating her point.

Post 3 - her reasons for voting me are based around Rikae's opinion not my apparent wolvishness, going back against her point in post 2.

But, actually, I don't think she's suspicious. I think she had little time and is arguing herself in circles. I don't know why she found it imperative to vote quite so early though. Anyway, the person I actually find suspicious is Greenie, who leapt on the back of Lommy's vote. The last game I was in, an unwitting innocent voted another innocent, and within minutes the last wolf had voted right alongside them, thus winning the game. Clearly that's not going to happen in this situation, we have too many players left, but it does remind me of it.

I don't know. This could be entirely reactionary given that the two of them voted for me, and that's the first time I've felt any attention on me since the beginning of the game.

[Eönwë]

Lommy the ultimate Eönwë-suspector...

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Personally, I would not be surprised if someone of those who just popped in and voted yesterDay (with no RL excuse) was quite furry, because who else than a wolf would think there's nothing more to do that Day? (Well, looking at the number of posts, probably quite a few innocents.) Anyway, I'm going to do a check.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Okay: Eönwë[....]did not do anything of importance but vote after Celuien's role was revealed for sure. Wolves!)

Lies! All of it!

There really was nothing to do yesterday. It was becoming boring. People just go, "oh, he/she is a were wolf" and then they just go "yes I am" and that's it. AND there was much less activity that Day. Who can blame me? (other than 0)

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

By the way, as luring as the approach of who Rikae would have picked is, I think we shouldn't give it that much importance. I think we've already proved that almost everybody would be a good and a bad choice in one way or another. So we really can't deduce anything. It'd be better to concentrate on actual wolvish behaviour, even as there's probably little of it to be seen yet.

The very next post...

Like said before, Eönwë was not probably picked by the EW, so I'd not lynch him first. Both Shasta and Greenie feel rather innocent to me (this far), so I'm going to vote the one my maths too suggest we should lynch:

++Kath

I don't think picking her would have been a bad choice from Rikae. She might be a predictable pick, but she seldom seems really wolvish and she's a master of slipping away from becoming a real vote candidate. Rikae could have counted on that Kath would not be voted out easily, even if she was suspected.

Hmmmm....

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Lommy

By the way, as luring as the approach of who Rikae would have picked is, I think we shouldn't give it that much importance. I think we've already proved that almost everybody would be a good and a bad choice in one way or another. So we really can't deduce anything. It'd be better to concentrate on actual wolvish behaviour, even as there's probably little of it to be seen yet.

That's a very good point. But we can try to figure out who would make a good teammate for Durelin and Celuien.


I have to vote soon. It turns out I won't have time to vote during my lunch break.

Anyways,

++Morm

Alot of his expressed suspicion yesterday seemed very manufactured to me. And he did show a marked change in behavior between Day 4 and Day 5. I really don't have anymore to go on at the moment. Good luck, and I'll hopefully see you on Day 7.

[satansaloser2005]

DAY SIX VOTES
Lommie-->Kath at 3:30am
Greenie-->Kath at 6:11am
Roa-->Morm at 9:41am
Gwath-->Roa at 9:49am
Sally-->Morm at 2:18pm
Lal-->Kath at 4:18pm
Morm-->Shasta at 4:46pm
Shasta-->Greenie at 4:51pm
Durie-->Greenie at 5:23pm
Kath-->Greenie at 5:39pm
No votes: Eon, Legate


You know the drill....

[Gwathagor]

I have to vote now, but the fact that there has been hardly any talking makes it difficult. So, because I would have chosen her if I was the EW, I'll vote:

++Roa

Hopefully there will be a little more discussion toMorrow. Oh wait. I won't be here. Blah.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, I don't think Rikae would have chosen a loud wolf, given that every other person she has scried thus far has been of the quiet type. I don't trust anyone, but I do think that the fewer the post count, the more likely it is for them to be a wolf.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Oh wait. I won't be here. Blah.

Why is that?

[Lalaith]

Yes, why, Gwath?

Anyway, I'm checking in a little later than promised - I was so tired when I got in, I needed a bath and a glass of wine...now, off to read the Grimoire. Back soon.

[mormegil]

I've been trying to observe Roa today and it seems that she is quietly trying to gain control of the village, which could be fine and fairly normal but it is something that concerns me to see it.

If I may explain my behavior I will. Initially I was not into the game as time didn't allow me to keep up on the prolific posting of the thread. When I finally had time and things had calmed down enough it was the day we knew Celeiun to be guilty and nobody did much that day. Anyway I'm trying my best now, with still some limited time.

It seems oddly quiet now, which is a big concern for me as our numbers are dwindling I hope to see the remaining players be fairly active.

[Lalaith]

Right. I've just had a scroll through the Grimoire. Took me a while because I got reminiscing....oh I do miss Ang...sigh.
*shakes self* Anyway. It hasn't been updated for a while, not since WW 34.
I really can't face going through the other games.
So, I found that only Sally and Gwathagor (and obviously newbie Eonwe) hadn't played with Rikae up to game 34. Perhaps of course, they've played since.

I also found, and this is quite interesting, that Shasta was a surviving wolf in the game that Rikae modded herself. Hmmm.....

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by mormegil

I've been trying to observe Roa today and it seems that she is quietly trying to gain control of the village, which could be fine and fairly normal but it is something that concerns me to see it.

If I may explain my behavior I will. Initially I was not into the game as time didn't allow me to keep up on the prolific posting of the thread. When I finally had time and things had calmed down enough it was the day we knew Celeiun to be guilty and nobody did much that day. Anyway I'm trying my best now, with still some limited time.

It seems oddly quiet now, which is a big concern for me as our numbers are dwindling I hope to see the remaining players be fairly active.

I agree with mostly all you are saying, morm but I think you might be exaggerating a bit about Roa.

But I wholeheartedly agree with you on member activity, and also have had a similar situation (in regards to the amount of time spent on here).

edit: Lal killed my double post