Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Lalaith]

Ah, there you are, Roa. I wanted to ask you stuff about EWing.

EW gave her wolves possible lynch candidates. I never did, and my wolves did just fine

Ok, that's interesting. I would assume that an EW would guide her wolves.

And - did you really not use your scries to try to find the GW? Or did you find him so early that you could devote your time just to making wolves? As I seem to remember I think the latter scenario was the case, that your wolves found Gurthang pretty early on.

Oh and another question - can we trust anything you tell us now?

[Lalaith]

And I want to know from Rikae, if you really are the GW, why in heaven's name have you declared now?

[the phantom]

The voting-

Nilp for Rikae
Lhuna for Sally
Izzy for Di
Rikae for Rikae

Originally Posted by Lal

And - did you really not use your scries to try to find the GW?

No, the EW won't be looking for the GW with scries. The EW wants to make WWs with scries. That's it.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ok, that's interesting. I would assume that an EW would guide her wolves.

I picked highly intelligent and very capable wolves that could survive without my help. I also picked wolves that I could easily sacrifice to draw attention away from me if needed. The only "guidance" I gave them was telling them who to kill every night. Morm and Eomer were two of my wolves. They can verify that. Once morm discovered who I was (by accident) then I became more involved in what he was doing. And I actually told him to keep on after Eomer.

And - did you really not use your scries to try to find the GW? Or did you find him so early that you could devote your time just to making wolves? As I seem to remember I think the latter scenario was the case, that your wolves found Gurthang pretty early on.

I never tried to use my scries to find the GW. I used my wolves and attacked people I thought might be the GW. That's how I found him, by the way. I just focused my scryings on making the ultimate werewolf team.

Oh and another question - can we trust anything you tell us now?

Probably not now, but that's why I quoted myself. Those are direct quotes with everything I've said about the EW. You can check to see for yourself if I've changed my tune anywhere down the line.

Or I said yesterDay, you can lynch me, and then you'll know for certain that I'm on the up and up. If Rikae is telling the truth, though, it will be up to you- lynch a definite baddie, or lynch a possible baddie, but at least you'll know if you can trust her or not. Of course, if I'm not a wolf toDay, I may be toMorrow, and you won't know for certain.

Edit: Cross posted. Rikae, you can't just expect to lynch Legate with out telling us who he is. And Lal's got a point- why reveal now?

[Roa_Aoife]

Legate, have you been killing off our family? You are SO grounded.

[Roa_Aoife]

Look, if Rikae knows that Legate is the EW, not a wolf, then I don't want to lynch him. He won't die, and it will just take up our llynch space so that we don't lynch a wolf.

But if Legate is a wolf then we should definitely lynch him.

Unfornately, Rikae didn't specify. And she didn't tell us why she revealed. Was she in danger? I haven't finished reading through the thread yet....

[Lalaith]

I used my wolves and attacked people I thought might be the GW. That's how I found him, by the way. I just focused my scryings on making the ultimate werewolf team.

And you never scried me. *sniff*

Ok. Our WW kills so far have been Volo on Night One, Mac and Ka on Night 2. Like I said before, possibly Volo was a GW-hunt kill but not I think the second two.
Also, I've read through the rules and I don't see if the EW is told if the reason the kill has been unsuccessful. A non-kill could be a Ranger protect, after all.
I still think my theory could hold.

Rikae running away without answering my question or even saying why she won't answer it, is worrying me.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

And you never scried me. *sniff*

I was too afraid you'd be scried by the GW in the same night that I scried you. (Which would lead to everyone knowing who I am.) You were simply too desirable early on. And later on, I was distracted by Gurthang's lynch list.

[Lalaith]

You were simply too desirable early on

But come on villagers, seriously, we need to debate this situation. Looks like both Roa and phantom are as puzzled as me. Anyone else around? What do y'all think?

[the phantom]

Okay, I felt the need to say this real quickly-

If this is a bluff, GW, do not take the bait and reveal! Not unless you really honestly feel like you are ready. This might be a ploy set up the Night before by the EW to get the GW to reveal. Perhaps the EW told his WW Rikae, "If this person or this person looks like they're headed for a lynching, reveal as the GW and get Legate lynched."

Which of course means that Rikae might be a WW and even know the identity of a WW or two! In which case we should not lynch her! We should give the GW the opportunity to scry her and turn her back to the good side.

[Lalaith]

means that there was no wolf turned last night

Roa, read the narration. Four wolves killed last night.

[Roa_Aoife]

At the same time, if Rikae IS the GW, and was scried last night, then she already knows our odds are good. Really good. If we get a wolf today.

Ugh, my brain is foggy from medication. Can anyone work out those numbers? (Not phantom because I still think he's a wolf.)

Edit: Cross posted. You're right Lal. Then it really doesn't make sense.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Rikae running away without answering my question or even saying why she won't answer it, is worrying me.

Rikae's entire point in revealing as the GW, so far, seems to be to get Legate lynched.

Which... seems like a bad reason to reveal, to me. Sorry to question you, Mumsie. But is Legate that important that you had to out yourself? Or were you afraid of the EW challenging you before you could direct the village? Or... well why the heck did you reveal and then leave until the DL? You know we're just going to have tons of questions for you.

[Diamond18]

I'd like to get Legate's take on all this, actually.

If he's an innocent being set up by a lying Rikae, then I suspect we'll be getting an impassioned defense.

I'm not so sure what he'd do as a wolf, though. It might be reason to clam up and not say too much more, as anything he says from now on can (and will) be held against his fellow wolves or the EW. Just a guess.

So..... Legate?

[the phantom]

I don't see a reason to hide the EW's identity from us, I mean, there can be no duel before tomorrow but that doesn't mean you can't tell us who the EW is?

Actually, there's a darn good reason not to tell us if she knows.

Which is why, from her hints that she has found the EW, I suspect that she has, in fact, not found the EW.

And also suspect that she's not telling the truth about being the GW.

Why reveal now? I'm going over and over it, and it isn't making sense to me.

If you really know the EW already, why not hold your tongue and try to get the drop on him tomorrow?

But now the EW will know it's the last chance he has tonight. And what if the night goes well for him? Then he knows precisely who to challenge.

No, no, no... I'm sitting here at home, and in front of me is a chart with listed behaviors of the EW and GW- things they would and wouldn't do in specific situations.

And Day 3, down a gifted, revealing, and even hinting that you know the EW... that definitely does not match up with my list. I am severely confused.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Roa

Unfornately, Rikae didn't specify. And she didn't tell us why she revealed. Was she in danger?

Ah, Roa is suspicious too! I'm feeling even better about my suspicions.

And further slanting me is the fact that I have been feeling Legate as strongly innocent. No, no... I've got to think.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by the phantom

And also suspect that she's not telling the truth about being the GW.

There IS a chance she could be doing this just to out the Good Wizard. As a wolf or the EW. I mean, let's take the assumption that she is lying.

-- Her whole reason, it would seem, for claiming to be the GW, is so we'll obey her and lynch Legate.

-- She is, obviously, giving us no direction beyond that.

-- Does a GW gain more or lose more by outing herself just to catch one little wolfie?

-- Who was garnering lots of suspicion ANYWAY?

-- But a Bad Momma could achieve a lot by claiming to be the GW, telling the village who to lynch. The GW is then forced to consider letting a (presumably) innocent Legate die, or reveal.

-- It's a lose lose situation for the village, if this is the case.

-- So, since a false reveal is a bad thing for the village, it's a distinct possibility that it might (or has) happened.

Wow. Sorry Rikae, but as of right now, I DON'T know what to do. Should I trust you? Who else do I trust? Even if you're lying, I really don't think the GW is going to reveal... e might be willing to sacrifice Legate. So we seem to be on our own trying to figure this out.

No, no, no... I'm sitting here at home, and in front of me is a chart with listed behaviors of the EW and GW- things they would and wouldn't do in specific situations.

Is this a color coded chart, by any chance?

Hey, it's me, I have to make some jokes even in the heat of Day 3.

[mormegil]

++Lommy

I've read most of the posts today but probably not the last 30 or 40. Anyway, I've been showing my home as we are trying to sell it. Lommy seems a bit off lately but the impression I'm getting is that something is up with Rikae and/or Lommy. I've been going with gut a lot more than hard rationality.

[Roa_Aoife]

Morm, you really should have caught up first. We've had some... interesting developments.