Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Also, I really would like to know why people are always so quick to lynch Macalaure early on lately. Is it because of his long streak of being a wolf? I don't understand it, because he really did not look the least bit evil to me yesterDay, or the previous time this happened, either (I can't remember which game). And yes, he wouldn't have been revealed as the Ranger and probably wouldn't have been killed if he hadn't almost been lynched first.

Dear sister-in-law, I can understand your annoyance at this. As for myself, I (usually ) like to keep him around for a bit longer (except last game I played with him, maybe I should shut up ) as well as I enjoy playing with him. I don't think he was particularily suspicious this time (although not particularily innocentish either) and I'm inclined to believe that some people partly voted him because they were afraid he would be the EW. To be honest, I would not have been surprised if he had truned out to be a wizard. Anyway, I'm not sure if this discussion is actually of much use - not at least right now, maybe in the post-game discussions - at least it's not very wise of me to participate in it as it's (surprise surprise) distracting me from doing what I have been about to do for almost for an hour now...


edit: xed with Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Since Lommy can't keep on task... ()

Voting Record, Day 1

mormegil: ++Brinniel (Brinniel 1)
Sally: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 1)
Gwathagor: ++Sally (Brinniel 1, tp 1, Sally 1)
Kitanna: ++morm (Brinniel 1, tp 1, Sally 1, morm 1)
Nerwen: ++Cailin (Brinniel 1, tp 1, Sally 1, morm 1, Cailin 1)
Roa: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 1, Cailin 1)
Celuien: ++Izzy (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 1, Cailin 1, Izzy 1)
Rikae: ++morm (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1)
Izzy: ++Roa (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1)
Shasta: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 3, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1)
Eonwe: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1)
Cailin: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 1)
The Ka: ++Celuien (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 1, Celuien 1)
Greenie: ++Gwathagor (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 1, Celuien 1, Gwath 1)
McCaber: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 2, Celuien 1, Gwath 1)
Macalaure: ++Legate (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 2, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1)
Lalaith: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 3, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1)
Durelin: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 4, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1)
Lommy: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 4, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 1)
Diamond: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 1)
Volo: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 2)
Brinniel: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 3)
Legate: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 4)
Aganzir: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 6, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 4)

Did not vote: Nilpaurion, Lhuna, Kath, the phantom

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Voting Record, Day 1

Originally Posted by Lommy

So, Day1 voting in relation to the fact that Aganzir was a Nasty Werewolf

Good lord I thought we had done with that. *averts eyes, makes sign of evil*

Originally Posted by Mommy Dearest

Also, I really would like to know why people are always so quick to lynch Macalaure early on lately.

For my part I really wanted to know what he was. Mission accomplished.

Hmmmm I guess I'll post more later, I've come down with a headache and I just can't my usual entertaining effervescent self with one.

Oh, that's right, I had one thought lingering from yesterday. What the h is up with Aganzir's directions after she knew she was going to die? Like we're all going to rush to obey a Wolf? I'm beginning to think I'm not the only one on wax in this village.

And I don't see any evil in looking at Ka's posts, I mean, what, should we inspect our bums instead? No kill means entirely nothing... and it's not even proven yet that Volo and Kit were killed "for no reason," that's just an assumption, albeit a fairly logical one. Hey, I'm not up for the task of combing through Ka's posts, myself (ugh, I'm the resident lazy child and that's too much work) but if anyone else wants to, I don't see why they shouldn't.

I shall return.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by My Effervescent Self

Oh, that's right, I had one thought lingering from yesterday. What the h is up with Aganzir's directions after she knew she was going to die? Like we're all going to rush to obey a Wolf? I'm beginning to think I'm not the only one on wax in this village.

Okay fine, if no one else is going to speculate on this, I will.

As I see it, Agan had one of three motivations:

Lead us to believe that she believes Lommy is the EW or a Wolf and was sacrificing her, much to her disgruntlement.

She wants to create the appearance thereof, and make us suspect an innocent Lommy, Legate, and Brinn.

She wants to create the appearance of the appearance thereof, thus protecting an evil Lommy, Legate, and Brinn from suspicion.

My conclusion: I am sad that I cannot think of a way to work "the appearance of the appearance of the appearance thereof" into a scenario.

Also, I am somewhat surprised that an innocent Lommy would be allowed to live today. Isn't she a clear choice for a wolf kill, considering Agan's death makes her seem so innocent? IF she is innocent. If she is not, it's all so convenient. It's also convenient if she was innocent but instead of being mauled, was scried and converted to evil, because she was going to look so innocent today, due to actual innocence that no longer applies! *jabs finger in the air triumphantly*

The words of the day, children, are "innocent" and "appearance." Thereof.

But then, I STILL suspect Lommy of Wizardry. She could have sacrificed Agan, and Agan could be none the wiser about her actual role, thus rendering Agan's comment moot. Despite what TP says about the folly of the EW sacrificing wolves, we've seen it done successfully in the past and I wouldn't put it past Lommy to be going by that model.

Oh the possibilities.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Okay fine, if no one else is going to speculate on this, I will.

As I see it, Agan had one of three motivations:

Lead us to believe that she believes Lommy is the EW or a Wolf and was sacrificing her, much to her disgruntlement.

She wants to create the appearance thereof, and make us suspect an innocent Lommy, Legate, and Brinn.

She wants to create the appearance of the appearance thereof, thus protecting an evil Lommy, Legate, and Brinn from suspicion.

My conclusion: I am sad that I cannot think of a way to work "the appearance of the appearance of the appearance thereof" into a scenario.

Also, I am somewhat surprised that an innocent Lommy would be allowed to live today. Isn't she a clear choice for a wolf kill, considering Agan's death makes her seem so innocent? IF she is innocent. If she is not, it's all so convenient. It's also convenient if she was innocent but instead of being mauled, was scried and converted to evil, because she was going to look so innocent today, due to actual innocence that no longer applies! *jabs finger in the air triumphantly*

The words of the day, children, are "innocent" and "appearance." Thereof.

But then, I STILL suspect Lommy of Wizardry. She could have sacrificed Agan, and Agan could be none the wiser about her actual role, thus rendering Agan's comment moot. Despite what TP says about the folly of the EW sacrificing wolves, we've seen it done successfully in the past and I wouldn't put it past Lommy to be going by that model.

Oh the possibilities.

Quick addition to this, Di. Remember people can be UNscried as well. That might account for a few things.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

• La Lhunatique - suspected Mac 320, 329, 347. Mac answered 346, 349.
  
• La Khat - had the following conversation with Mac:
  

  Kath, no offense intended, but are you sure your posts today are very helpful? It's a lot to read, but there's actually rather little new to learn from them... (Mac)

  Now who said I was trying to be helpful to others? These are mostly for my benefit, if anyone else gets something from them then good but it's not necessary. Also, maybe there's not a lot new to be learned, indeed there won't be much as it is often a summary with me commenting where I find something to comment on, but then I suppose it's giving you some information about me. I am sorry that it's a lot to read, I find that myself. (Kath)

  Voted for him 465. Mac found:

  [ . . . ]Kath creepy, but she can wait another day, too.

• La Diamante - thank Eru my daughter read my mind. I went insane sifting through her posts. You crazy, crazy woman. (Di, that is.) Read Sally's post 615.
  
• La Ka - is innocent. And dead.
  
• La Loupe - is a villain. And dead.

So, of the three remaining persons who voted for Mac, only Lhuna had some sort of evidence to show. Kath didn't vote the DAY before, and Di voted for Nerwen for personal reasons. Hmmm . . . were they Wolves ordered to lie low on DAY 1, and then ordered to get Mac lynched on DAY 2? Agan, a known Wolf, did vote for Mac, too (although we could argue that she's just trying to save her pelt.)

More later, must eat lunch. (Perfectly ordinary meat sandwich.)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

CRAZINESS!!! Spare me thy madness!!!!!

Must have blood blood blood blood blood . . .

Lynch me! LYNCH MEEEEE!!!!!!

÷÷Nilpau . . .

As you've noticed, I used the 'division' sign, not the 'plus' sign.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

CRAZINESS!!! Spare me thy madness!!!!!

Must have blood blood blood blood blood . . .

Lynch me! LYNCH MEEEEE!!!!!!

÷÷Nilpau . . .

As you've noticed, I used the 'division' sign, not the 'plus' sign.

So.... we should divide by you twice?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

This is Lhuna.

Apparently, Nilp wants us to divide him. That is actually worse than simply wanting to be lynched.

I wonder why we never thought that the division sign is more appropriate for making lynch votes.

[Diamond18]

I love Nilp's formatting. It's a thing of beauty. I'll fight against anyone who tries to lynch him, for just this reason.