Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[the phantom]

Izzy- I don't think you quite understand the last portion of my no-vote explanation. Perhaps I didn't explain well.

Originally Posted by me

I actually had my vote typed out and everything (it was for Nerwen but I had Agan's name ready to paste just in case) and was ready to post it in the final seconds, but when I refreshed my other window I saw that Nog had already posted so I figured I wouldn't bother.

I was actually going to vote at the very end. I was going to post it. It was going to be in time.

But Nog went ahead and ended the day. If you'll look at the time on his post, it is 11:00 PM GMT. In other words, he cut the thread off before the actual deadline for voting (11:01 PM GMT).

Originally Posted by Nog

All those votes with the marking 11.00 PM GMT will be counted. All those going over it will not be counted.

[mormegil]

++Brinniel

Same reason as yesterday, she's not sitting right with me. I promise to get fairly caught up once life calms down a bit. I've been hit with far too many things lately.

[Isabellkya]

That is all well and good, but why do you need to push the rules?
The deadline is there for a reason, usually when people say any votes with the deadline timestamp on them will be counted, is for those last second/minute votes to slip in.
I don't believe it is intended for someone to plan ahead, to make their vote at the exact deadline time.

It still does not explain why you chose to wait to vote, and thus did not vote at all. You had time to vote - nearly 23 hours; yes you were in some amount of danger of being executed, however in the last ten minutes - Nerwen and Aganzir were in more danger than you.

[Celuien]

5 more pages? I don't know how I'm going to catch up on this. I guess I'm just glad I made it back in time to read some of it. *sigh*

That's exactly what I'm going to do. Be back in a moment.

[the phantom]

If you look at other WW villages I've been in, if possible I always hold my vote till the very end. One time in particular I actually foiled a WW by sitting on my vote and forcing him to show his cards. That's simply my style. It makes me feel more... in control.

There were three votes still out there, thus Agan had a very real chance of tying with Nerwen, and if that had happened I was considering voting for her. But of course if I jumped forward suddenly to tie Ner I was going to cast a vote for her.

[the phantom]

To Nog- I didn't doubt that you would have counted my vote had it been posted on time. I just didn't want to, as you said, make the thread look less neat.

Originally Posted by The Agan

I have a feeling I'm being... an object.

Guys, the Agan is feeling objectified.

Originally Posted by Rikae

I am leaning most toward voting for tp or Legate at the moment.

Vote Legate then. I believe I've answered questions about me quite beautifully, thank you.

[Isabellkya]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Vote Legate then. I believe I've answered questions about me quite beautifully, thank you.

Does beautifully = truthfully without hidden agendas?

Bah, I'm slowly getting nowhere in finishing my re-reading. Too much multi-tasking.



X'd with Cailin and Aganzir.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Roa

Finally, even if you don't think anything I said about phantom has merit, please, please, go back and look at what I said about the EW and her possible behavior.

I don't completely disagree with that.

Originally Posted by Roa

Honestly, it might be better if you lynch me toDay. ToMorrow, I may be a wolf, and then you won't know what to trust, and what I said that was helpful or a lie. I'm not so worried about being wolf-ified to save phantom, but more that it will cause people to mistrust the advice I've given regarding the EW.

Ack! I have no idea what to think about that. Does it support the innocent-tearing-innocent-apart theory? Who would say this, Ordo-Roa or WW-Roa?

Originally Posted by Izzy

Does beautifully = truthfully without hidden agendas?

Hmm... I think so. At least I don't think any of my answers contained hidden agendas. Some of my defenses/accusations of others and such do have hidden agendas of a kind, but all of my answers to those questioning me were very straight-forward.

[Durelin]

I really want to ignore both Roa and phantom so they end up stuck just talking to each other. I don't want either of them to have the satisfaction of the other being lynched or of themselves being lynched.

On the other hand, I'm with Di in my curiosity.

Anyway.

I'm not even going to attempt to read through everything. Hopefully something interesting will happen before the deadline.

Aganzir has been getting tossed around quite a bit. Target?

Originally Posted by Sally

Phantom's beating the tar out of Madam Roa and vice versa, which I think is a little over the top

Interesting analysis. I rather think it's the other way around, though.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Does everyone make you feel this way? It's just I've noticed you've been saying that line a lot during this game...

Not everyone. For example today you and Legate look like wolves who know each other.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Okay, when I was reading what you wrote last night I thought you were meaning the exact opposite.
Anyways, I don't think I completely downplaying the possibility of a wolfish vote there. When I wrote "Only if the EW told him to..." I was still considering it was possible. Honestly, I'm just flat out unsure whether Legate's vote was actually wolfish or an innocent's mistake.

Well the thing I posted a while ago was what I thought already then but couldn't just say clearly.
I never said you were "completely downplaying" it. But you downplayed it anyway, and that "only if the EW told him to" doesn't really make it any better.
It was something both a wolf or an innocent would have said - it is true and there's no sense in trying to deny it, as someone would have suggested it anyway in reply to you. So you both encouraged people not to suspect Legate and left yourself a chance to change your mind later (if it started to seem Legate would get lynched).

edit: xed with phantom and Cailín

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

The way Greenie starts suspecting tp looks a bit forced to me, yet is less suspicious than the fact that she's still seemingly indecisive about people. It reminds me of a wolf who doesn't know her fellows.

Does everyone make you feel this way? It's just I've noticed you've been saying that line a lot during this game...

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I think Legate's wavering with his vote was suspicious, but I was already suspicious of him. You on the other hand found his vote strange yesterday, yet today you raised the issue just a bit and immediately downplayed the possibility that his vote was wolfish.

Okay, when I was reading what you wrote last night I thought you were meaning the exact opposite.
Anyways, I don't think I completely downplaying the possibility of a wolfish vote there. When I wrote "Only if the EW told him to..." I was still considering it was possible. Honestly, I'm just flat out unsure whether Legate's vote was actually wolfish or an innocent's mistake.

Coming soon: A post on my thoughts of all the players. It may take awhile, but hopefully it'll help me come up with a voting candidate.

[Brinniel]

Greenie: Hasn't posted terribly much, but so far everything she said seems genuine to me.

Shasta: I wasn't too fond of his voting with not much explanation yesterDay, but toDay he seems better. His analyses are helpful and I think he's giving a clearer idea of his opinions. Not sure why others suspect him so much. One thing to note: Shasta's been known to get lynched early on and more often than not he's innocent.

Izzy: Taking a closer look, her vote for Roa really did come out of nowhere...and she still hasn't explained it. She seems to discuss the general rules more than about players which worries me, though I notice she's starting to focus more on phantom.

Lommy: As I mentioned yesterDay, I feel pretty good about her. I agree with some of her arguments and think what she's said so far is sensible and have no reason to suspect her. She's been rather quiet toDay which is unusual, but as she mentioned it's for RL reasons.

Nilp: Was absent yesterDay. ToDay he seems to be pretty helpful...he makes a good point about the hunter, though I disagree that we should disregard certain people for that reason. I've never played with Nilp before so I don't know his playing style, but so far nothing sets off alarms for me.

Eonwe: Still not happy with his vote yesterDay, but I'm thinking it's more likely a newbie error. While I wouldn't eliminate the possibility of him becoming a wolf in the future, I really kind of doubt the EW would've chosen him from the get-go...especially without knowing how he plays.

Kath: She's made some posts toDay, but not very many. Nothing about her screams suspicious or innocent. I really don't have an opinion on her yet.

Sally: Seems to be her usual self...very silly and chatty which people people sometimes interprete as suspicious, but I don't. I can't remember what she's like when she's actually a wolf...perhaps I ought to check. But right now she looks more likely innocent.

Mac: Haven't really discussed him before, but yesterDay I didn't really like the fact that he suspected those he disagreed with and also making that statement about Greenie pointing out Volo's "slip." And I don't know what to think about on row with Legate. But toDay I'm feeling better about him; he's making more sense, especially with the discussion about the Nerwen-bandwagon.

Rikae: Seems sensible enough and as others have mentioned, a lot more mellow than usual. Now, is that a good or bad thing? Right now, I think it means she's more likely innocent.

the phantom: Well, he's received a lot attention so far. While he's never worried me too much, there were some quotes of his I found a bit suspicious and I did question. His behaviour seemed slightly suspicious last night, but today all of his posts are a lot more reasonable and I'm starting to feel better about him.

Diamond: Not sure what to think about her vote, which helped seal Nerwen's fate. I know it was to save tp, but other than him being fun to have around, what reason did she have to save him? As for toDay, ehm...well... I'll be honest- Di's a big question mark right now.

Cailin: I mentioned yesterDay I found her a bit suspicious for her attacks on Nerwen and the fact she was eager to suspect someone for copying a misquote. As for toDay...I'm not sure what she's getting at with her first post looking for clues from the dead; there are no dreams so there shouldn't be clues. I also think she too quickly disregards the possibility that tp or Roa could be evil. I've still got my eye on this one.

Lhuna: Makes an argument against Mac which I don't find entirely unreasonable. She gives off the sweet and innocent vibe. But I have to be careful because last time I said that she turned out to be a wolf.

Durelin: Seems inquisitive (at least towards me) and what's the word...feisty. It's been awhile since I played with Durelin but I think that's just her style. But she does worry me a bit, because I notice as wolf she manages to slip under-the-radar rather easily.

Roa: I'm not sure what to think of her and the row with tp. But it really does worry me that she refuse to share thoughts on anyone else. As strongly as you feel about tp, you can't put all your egg in one basket. What if you're wrong?

Legate: Okay I admit, I'm kinda going back and forth on him. His vote yesterDay worries me, but not enough to bring him to the top of my suspicious list. ToDay he's being more reasonable. Someone mentioned he's being cautious as a reason to suspect him. I say that makes him seem more innocent to me....as I remember, an evil Legate is more bold than cautious.

Lalaith: Hmm...compared to others in the Nerwen bandwagon, her vote doesn't seem to come from nowhere. She's been very quiet due to RL reason, so I really can't make much of an opinion of her.

Aganzir: I suspected her yesterDay for already said reasons, and I continue to bring that suspicion into toDay. ToDay she's still reading way too much into things. On the top of my list.

Ka: Seems pretty genuine to me. I have no reason to suspect her.

morm: I really don't understand what he has against me...he doesn't explain it as anymore than a hunch. Yet at the same time, I don't find his persistence suspicious. I think it's more likely he's a innocent who's sorely mistaken.

Celuien: She doesn't post much, but votes without much reasoning to back that vote up. She somewhat worries me.

Gwath: His vote was random yesterDay, but he did later explain it. I started to feel alright about him, but then he votes for Lalaith...which I really don't understand. He mentioned her earlier, but said he'd watch her toDay. She's hardly posted, and I don't see what she's done that makes her the best lynching candidate.

McCaber: He's received some votes toDay, which I can understand considering yesterDay's random vote. But there were may other random votes yesterDay as well. McCaber hasn't shown up to defend himself, so don't really know if I want to lynch him.

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So...

Suspicious: Cailin, Aganzir

Borderline Suspicious: Izzy, Roa, Celuien, Gwath, McCaber

No Idea: Kath, Mac, phantom, Diamond, Lhuna, Durelin, Legate, Lalaith

Most Likely Innocent: Greenie, Shasta, Lommy, Nilp, Eonwe, Sally, Rikae, Ka, morm

One comment: I think it's a bad idea for people to ignore the Roa/phantom argument. While they may be just two ordos, it's certainly also possible that one (or both) are evil.

Yeesh...it took me two hours to write this up (including looking up old posts and reading new ones in between). But at least it gives me a better idea on my own thoughts...

EDIT: Oh, I didn't see all these last posts...didn't realise there was a new page...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I'd much rather see a continuation of the Lommy versus Agan battle.

I have a feeling I'm being... an object.

[Roa_Aoife]

Okay, just so everyone knows, I haven't read through everything, because I don't have time. (I've got 15 minutes from now, which is 12:56 PM PT).

First, phantom, you're statistics aren't even logical, because you leave out : a. the hunter, b. the ranger, and c. the EW herself, who might change a gifted into an ordo instead of an ordo into a gifted, thus keeping the wolf population down.

Second, those who think losing the seer isn't such a bad thing, consider what would happen if it was Day 4 and the EW knew the GW's identity. She could then challenge and take the GW out before she had a chance to replace the seer, and the village would be in trouble. Who was saying that again?

Third, for everyone who is concerned that I'm focusing too much on phantom, well, duh. I am thoroughly convinced he's evil. Why should I look at people I am uncertain of when I have one that I am certain of right in front of me? I mean, even now, he's gone from saying, "I think you're innocent and don't want to lynch you," to "I think Roa's a wolf trying to get me. Let's lynch her."

Fourth, I have a feeling that this is the last time I will be able to do this, because I may well be killed or wolf-ified and then lynched to discredit me, (as I did with Valier), so here:

The EW:

In the last game, I took care to avoid people that might be scried by the GW, not so much because I was worried about losing a wolf (until morm accidentally found me out) but because if we scried the same people on the same Night, my identity would be revealed. That is not the case this game. If the wolf doesn't know anything, then losing him to the GW may not be so bad. However, if the GW and the EW scry the same person in a Night, that person dies. This is a third kill for the evil team! The GW is the one who will be avoiding scrying possible EW picks in order to keep innocents from dying. (Which, by the way, is why I believe the phantom will not be picked by the GW.)

So lose the mentality that the EW won't pick likely GW scries for scrying. It will only mislead you into to looking away from those that could be wolves. Until we know who the EW is, we have no way of knowing who they might have picked. YOU CANNOT RULE ANYONE OUT FOR THE REASON THAT THEY ARE UNLIKELY PICKS. The EW may have very well counted on that thinking. Until we know who the EW is, you must look at everyone with equal possibility.

Finally, even if you don't think anything I said about phantom has merit, please, please, go back and look at what I said about the EW and her possible behavior.

I have to go. Honestly, it might be better if you lynch me toDay. ToMorrow, I may be a wolf, and then you won't know what to trust, and what I said that was helpful or a lie. I'm not so worried about being wolf-ified to save phantom, but more that it will cause people to mistrust the advice I've given regarding the EW.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

But Nog went ahead and ended the day. If you'll look at the time on his post, it is 11:00 PM GMT. In other words, he cut the thread off before the actual deadline for voting (11:01 PM GMT).

If you had voted at 11.00 and it would have read in your post your vote would have been counted in even if I had posted before at the same minute.

I'll promise to send the deadline post at 11.01 toDay so it looks neater if someone posts on 11.00.

But the rule is clear: All those votes with the marking 11.00 PM GMT will be counted. All those posted later will not be counted.


That also means that we continue going with the 'Downs time even if it seems now to be more like 4-5 minutess off.

[Diamond18]

DEAR GOD.

I started reading this like an hour and a half ago. I was fresh and ready to form opinions, now I'm tired and I want to curl up in a corner and whimper. I knew I should have gotten up earlier today to read posts, but there were epic, violent thunderstorms for several hours this morning which kept me up.

At least I have three hours to give it some thought. But based on my initial readthrough... wow, Roa and phantom were in rare form last night. I've seen people saying how we should ignore them. Frankly this whole argument (which is about as epic and violent as the thunderstorms) makes me just die to know who and what they both are. On the other hand, it's the most entertaining stuff going on around here (I mean, I'd rather read a good smackdown than a by-the-numbers re-cap any day) and I'll be sorry when it's over.

So does my love of drama, or my curiosity to find out their respective identities win out?

Hmmmm.

Everyone else seems so vanilla in comparison that I'm having trouble forming opinions or focus on any of them. At least not after slogging through posts for a solid hour and a half.

I'm going to go make popcorn.

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Everyone else seems so vanilla in comparison that I'm having trouble forming opinions or focus on any of them. At least not after slogging through posts for a solid hour and a half.

Stop, stop, the popularity contest won't be fun if there's such a clear favourite.

Sometimes that's what Werewolf is; so don't complain to me when you're hanging there.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Cailín

Stop, stop, the popularity contest won't be fun if there's such a clear favourite.

Sometimes that's what Werewolf is; so don't complain to me when you're hanging there.

Hanging where?

[Cailín]

Yeah, wasn't clear about that, but didn't want to edit. I was referring to the big village tree.

Actually, Diamond does seem to be hiding behind a bit of bluster. Let me just go and investigate her in more depth.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Cailín

Yeah, wasn't clear about that, but didn't want to edit. I was referring to the big village tree.

Ah, I wasn't sure if you were being literal (threatening) or figurative.

But I am sure not to complain when I'm lynched. I like a good death scene.

And if you mount a successful campaign on me like you did to Nerwen, I shall laugh and laugh. Because being responsible for starting a bandwagon against two innocents in a row would make you the next lynch victim, to be sure. (Though, I'm really not that innocent.)

[Aganzir]

Lommy starts her Day 1 by saying that our primary duty is to find and lynch the wolves but be aware of EWish vibes as well, and if we think someone looks more like the EW than anyone looks like a wolf, she should be lynched. Well yes it all looks sensible and nice, but I honestly don't know whether it's because I have "decided" Lommy must be a baddie and therefore interpret everything in that light, or if it really is somehow too nice. Ok, maybe better I quote it.

Our primary duty is to find the wolves. If we find the EW, it's good, but it's not what we should be precisely aiming at. So, in my opinion, we should concentrate on finding wolves, but be aware of EWish vibes as well, and we should primarily lynch wolves, but if someone looks more like EW than anyone looks like a wolf, we should go on and vote him. Like Aunt Izzie and my dear big brother Mac said, there really is no contradiction here. I think it's more a question of priorities.

The "perfect opinion". It nicely covers every aspect of the who-should-be-looked-for thing and looks ah so sweet and innocent a wolf would love to look.

Lommy suggests the EW can be found by looking at how living people have treated the dead wolves. She says herself it's not much, and I'm quite inclined to agree with her. I am pretty sure the EW can play well enough not to look like she was somehow connected to the wolves, and if she doesn't reveal her identity to the wolves she shouldn't have a reason to worry about them either. However, innocent people may have - and most likely some actually have - treated the wolves so that it looks like they were in cahoots with them. The suggestion, however innocent it looks like, is likely to cause more harm than good (or then Lommy is just being very optimistic, which, mind you, is not characteristical for her).

Eek, I don't sit right with Lommy after one in character post in which I jokingly accused people on basis of their family relations or occupation. She explains her dislike for me with RL reasons:

This rather unchaste young girl, Aganzir, doesn't quite sit right with me. To be honest, something in her cheery and flirty manner annoys me. (I wonder if it's because I can imagine what sort of extremely irritating expression characteristic to her she is having when smirking behind her laptotp and typing. ) Normally, when she grabs my attention this way, she's innocent (she's more careful as a wolf, I think), but now my gut feeling tells me that might not be so. I'm keeping an eye on her.

She promises to keep an eye on me, and in her next post these RL reasons have become serious suspicion.

THE Ka seems a bit too confused to be a wizard, or a wolf either. But one should not forget how treacherous she can be...

I don't like comments like these. "She looks innocent but don't forget she can be treacherous and deceive you! Keep an eye on her! Don't let the innocent-looking pass!"
Wolves just want to create havoc, and one way is to confuse people by saying something like this.

Well, I'm not commenting on Volo's slip because it still baffles me (even though he did explain it - that explanation was a little fishy btw), but I don't certainly think there's anything wrong with Greenie pointing it out: I would have done that had I spotted it.

There again.
Somehow she seems to pick those she accuses and who defends in a nice way; disagrees with some loudmouths to a convenient extent, not enough to make them suspect her but enough not to look like she was trying to gain allies or be nice. And it's defending people that gives allies, not agreeing with them.

She cannot say exactly why I remind her of Agan-wolf who didn't know her fellows but there's "a freaky similarity".
I'd really like to know more about that "freaky similarity".

But if we better wolf candidates, I'm all for keeping her as she's quite sharp and can benefit us as much as her own team.

This quote just makes me nervous. I don't really know a certain reason but I'll try to elaborate.
"I know she's innocent/the EW wants her dead, let's see if I could get people to suspect her. If not I'll vote someone else, he-he, now I say this so no one really wonders if I drop my suspicion later."

Oh but this is a very good point. Where is her characteristic cheer and carelessness? Is it just because this so different from any other game she's played this far, or are there more sinister reasons behind this?

Someone already mentioned this but I want to bring it up again. I have more than once seen wolves phrase their suspicion like that, as a question that's just supposed to make people feel a bit uneasy. "Is it because of x, or could there be more sinister reasons?" I'm not saying innocents don't do it as well, but more rarely than wolves I think.

She seizes on McCab saying he will return with some more solid info. I guess I'm not the best one to accuse anyone of suspecting someone because of how something is phrased, but seizing on one single word is beyond even me.

Still, I do not advise you to trust my judgement of any of them. It is probably as biased and faulty as that of someone who does not know them as well as I do. In fact, Agan is better at fooling me than most other ww players I've played with.

Now this is true, and it's the only thing she could have said there because I would have complained otherwise.

She said if she doesn't have suspicions by the time she leaves, she will vote for a submarine. Well what was suspecting me then? Not a suspicion?

Then...

I'd love to vote Agan and I know Brinn and Volo could do that too, but that really isn't much as tp already has 4 votes... I know I don't really enjoy him being around as he's mostly baffling and a nuisance but lynching him, I think, would be a mistake...

Oh now suddenly that there are other people to vote for me I'm a suspect again! By the way did you notice how Lommy grew nastier and more confident when people actually started to agree with her? In the beginning it was all the same for her whether I'd be lynched or not and now she'd love to vote for me.

Then she could vote for me or Kath (whom she hadn't really mentioned if I remember correctly, too lazy to go back to check but she definitely hadn't suspected her).

Big yes to both. And she'd sell her soul to be the EW.

Ai ai ai. If you want to know, I do have the time, I volunteered for the EW when Nog encouraged people to do so (mightn't have otherwise), wasn't chosen and that's it. And I'm just happy I wasn't since when I think about it I'm really not sure if I could have handled it.

And you've said that so many times that it starts to be a suspicious statement, especially now as you're really only in a tiny danger of actually getting lynched.

I don't consider having the second most votes "a tiny danger".

**

Lommy's points against me are taken out of thin air. It looks much more like a deliberate decision to start to suspect someone than actual suspicion because someone is suspicious - gradually switching from random IC reasons to gut feelings and then making my posts look suspicious.

Yes, I admit that I am suspicious of her because she is of me, but because I know I am innocent and her suspicion doesn't make sense (well and she hasn't been doing much else than accusing me so maybe it's understandable?).

I'm pretty positive Lommy isn't the EW though, she is too daring and suspicious to be that. I'd expect the EW to keep a bit lower profile and not looking so plain wolfish. A wolf with orders to create as much havoc and lynch as many innocents as possible, and maybe cover the EW & the other wolves' tracks. Just what I would have told Lommy if I had been the EW and picked her. Suits her nature well.

And good work Lommy, because I didn't even think you might be a wolf before you started accusing me.

I'm most probably going to vote for her today.

edit: xed since phantom's #411

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Lommy

I don't really understand why you criticise me for using my knowledge of you.

Because you do it in a way that suggests you possessed the ultimate truth about my alignment and everyone should believe you. That's what kind of impression I get when I read your posts. And I don't like it.

I do not claim that! I definitely don't! I don't think that way!

Then why does it look like that?

Are you just annoyed that for once I have an inkling that you're evil, I'm not clueless once again? Or are you annoyed because I dare to suspect you more than probably ever before?

I am annoyed because your reasons are bad!

Hope you're enjoying yourself phantom.

edit: xed with him

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Lommy's points against me are taken out of thin air. It looks much more like a deliberate decision to start to suspect someone than actual suspicion because someone is suspicious - gradually switching from random IC reasons to gut feelings and then making my posts look suspicious.

Yes, I admit that I am suspicious of her because she is of me, but because I know I am innocent and her suspicion doesn't make sense (well and she hasn't been doing much else than accusing me so maybe it's understandable?).

I'm pretty positive Lommy isn't the EW though, she is too daring and suspicious to be that. I'd expect the EW to keep a bit lower profile and not looking so plain wolfish. A wolf with orders to create as much havoc and lynch as many innocents as possible, and maybe cover the EW & the other wolves' tracks. Just what I would have told Lommy if I had been the EW and picked her. Suits her nature well.

And good work Lommy, because I didn't even think you might be a wolf before you started accusing me.

I'm most probably going to vote for her today.

I've been re-reading the Lommy/Aganzir stuff and I find it quite interesting. At the risk of sounding stupid, I'm not quite sure why Aganzir got so many votes in the first 2 days. I mean, well done everyone with rounding on her, great result and all that! But I'm curious how we got there. I don't find what she posted all that suspicious.

Her argument against Lommy here looks good to me. Which raises doubts in my mind (which I know others among you already had) about Lommy's part in the lynching. I also don't understand why Lommy posted:

STOP TRUSTING MY JUDGEMENT ON AGANZIR!!!!!!!!!!

Or something similar. Weird thing to say. Very eager to direct the accusations but unwilling to take too much responsibility?

This often happens to those who bag a wolf, though. Instead of congratulations you get suspected!

That's why I'll be watching her. (Lommy will now also realise that her dynamic with Cailín has been altered due to the influence of Eomer, who ALWAYS suspects her. )

[Isabellkya]

In response to Brin, my vote was almost completely random. It was random out of the people whom I had an inkling of suspicion towards yesterDay - coupled with the fact that it was nearing deadline. Well what I thought was deadline, but alas I'd forgotten I'm in PDT not PST.

Pah. Just when I want to go away from phantom, I read one of his posts.. and he says something... mildly interesting.
..... "tear her post up like a piece of paper,' in reference to Roa.

I skimmed that lengthy post. I just want to chalk all of his (phantom's) shenanigans and theatrics to trying to do anything and everything, to be scried by both sides; though obviously not in the same Night.

Either way, I'm not entirely sure of Roa's and Phantom's innocent village intentions. Oh yes, they both have Village intentions, but I am doubting that they are for the good.

Originally Posted by Brin

Well, I suspected Aganzir yesterDay before Volo was a known innocent and I still suspect her toDay. I see nothing wrong with using a known innocent's quote to support my feelings about another player. Of course, Volo could easily be wrong with her, but as I do suspect Aganzir I think he may be onto something...

All well and good, but you shouldn't be using the "known innocent" status to try and add weight to your suspicions and arguments. A known-dead innocent does not equal all knowing.


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[Durelin]

Soooo...any possibility of '(The) Durinator' sticking?

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

All well and good, but you shouldn't be using the "known innocent" status to try and add weight to your suspicions and arguments. A known-dead innocent does not equal all knowing.

A good point; unfortunately one which must be made in every werewolf game.